Worst mmorpg

[neuronfly]

Compared to WoW, FFXIV and ESO, gw2 is the worst mmorpg because of the following reasons:

1)Bad and boring story
2)No quests or no epic long questlines
3)No gear progresson (players are wearing the same gear from 2012)
4)Need to buy all patches and all expansions separately (in WoW, FFXIV and ESO we only need to buy the latest expansion and patches come free with the expansion)
5)No AUTOMATED dungeon finder and raid finder
6)No meaningful character progression
7)No real endgame
8)Dungeons are abandoned (no new dungeons in the expansions)
9)No mounts for base game owners

EDIT 1: To all the people saying that I have not played GW2 and defending this game like a fanboy, I purchased this game when it was released way back in 2012. Yes I am NOT a free player. I purchased the physical copy of the game and I have 3 characters at max level. But my point still stands. GW2 is the worst MMO when you compare it with ESO, FFXIV and WoW.

EDIT 2:To all the players saying that GW2 is the best because there is no gear progression, well here's a newsflash: ESO also has horizontal progression. But that game did it so better than GW2 that it has become my favorite MMO right now. In every patch ESO gets new gear sets and monster sets that radically change the playstyle of all the classes. For example: I recently got a monster set (2 set piece) called "Maw of the infernal" that has 33% chance (when I attack) to summon a huge fire breathing daegoth to attack my foes. Another monster set I got last week from doing veteran dungeons is "Ilambris" that has 33% chance to summon a meteor shower when I deal flame damage to foes. How cool is that. But GW2 has none of that. ESO's horizontal progression is 100000 times better than GW2.


EDIT 3:To all the people saying I should go play FFXIV or WoW: Right now I'm playing ESO. It has the best horizontal progression system in the entire mmo industry. Everything is better in ESO compared to GW2.

1)Story is better
2)Gear system is better (the monster sets are awesome)
3)Questing system is better. The quests in ESO have deep story behind them. Not like GW2 where you have to complete stupid hearts with no backstory behind them.
4)Satisfaction is better. When I complete a veteran dungeon in ESO I feel satisfied after getting a powerful set. But in GW2 whenever I complete a fractal I feel nothing. No satisfaction... just hallow.
5)Zones are better
6)Graphics are better
7)Music is better
8)Content update release schedule is better
9)Endgame content and progression is better. In ESO after you reach level 50 a whole new progression system opens up called the Champion System where you can further increase your character power and gain over 3000 levels.
10)Character build diversity is better. In ESO you can customise your build diversity in a lot of ways but in GW2 build diversity is non existent.

In short: Everything is better in ESO compared to GW2.

[steelwork]

Originally posted by Toxic Man:

Yeah no GW2 is the best mmo out there right now. WoW is so bland i cant believe its still so big. FFXIV has awful combat, awful pvp, cheesy story, disgusting fetch quests. ESO looks like utter garbage especially considering its a 2014 game, combat feels like absolute aids. The only thing ESO does really well is the trailers.

THAT BEING SAID, the mmo genre is really bad overall. I say GW2 is the best one out there but even GW2 doesnt rise above a 6.5/10 for me personally.

Ashes of Creation will most likely crush all of it and do it fairly easily. Sure there will still be those people who cling on to WoW because they cant let it go no matter how subpar it ends up being.

ash of creation wants to be a WOW clone with some cool new PvE mechanic where you can build cities by doing activities in a specific region.
have you seen AOC gameplay recently? they scrapped the action combat and came back to a classic tab target with miss attacks. MISS ATTACKS. IN 2021.
also animations are horrible and spell effects as good as your average mobile game.

and this will be sub based.

i wont say it will flop but it will have a very niche community left, after a few months when the players will get bored of it.
the golden age of mmo/rpg is over. gw2 was one of those next gen mmo's but we know how it did go in the end.

wow classic showed that nostalgia has limits. players got bored fast after they realised that the gameplay was too old. what we need is something fresh.
new world is promising that frehsness. but i don't believe in amazon games.
lost ark seem amazing but it is just another theme park, and will get managed by amazon for NA/EU.

[Tiberius]

Archeage was actually the last decent mmo, after gw2. Too bad mtx ruined that game. The moment they put thunderstruck tree on gemstore, i quited that mmo.

Imho, bots and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ mtx practice are the bane of mmorpg genre.

[steelwork]

Originally posted by Tiberius:

Archeage was actually the last decent mmo, after gw2. Too bad mtx ruined that game. The moment they put thunderstruck tree on gemstore, i quited that mmo.

Imho, bots and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ mtx practice are the bane of mmorpg genre.

i agree archeage was pretty nice. but heavily pw2, farm heavy and unbalanced.

[pepeL6641]

gw2 has the best combat system in any mmo out there and we have a dumbass here comes anywhere near to thinking that wow or es*(I just can't finish talking about that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game) is good.

Good laugh.

[steelwork]

Originally posted by pepeL6641:

gw2 has the best combat system in any mmo out there and we have a dumbass here comes anywhere near to thinking that wow or es*(I just can't finish talking about that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game) is good.

Good laugh.

having one of the best combat gameplay doesn't do everything.
look at TERA, archeage,... also had one of the best combat gameplay for an mmorpg.
look at what they have become.

also look at gw2 sPvP and WvW. abandonned. filled with bots. big brainless bus running around. duels became rare. GvG none existante.
PvE? oh yes, lets talk about PvE where all you do is smash a preset rotation with all mobs stuck in a corner of a wall. great gameplay. veteran? champions? mostly HP bags you will just autoattack with 50 people.
also the lack of trinity did more harm than good because they give everyone enough survivability to heal and buff for themselves. now everyone runs the most damaging gear as possible. even in raids where a healer is needed you don't even use healing stat on them.

arenanet had a gem. and instead of polishing it they left it rough and focused everything into selling it bits by bits in the store.
now players farm only to buy gemstore skins when it is not a legendary weapon because they are way better than any ingame skin you can get... unless they get the amazing idea of selling crap like a broken chair as a shield or a broken bottle as an axe.
and thus now living under perfusion, trying to cash in on casual gamers to survive.

as for OP's post. it's a troll post. so reacting like you did is stupid.

[Matthew]

Originally posted by WetNose:

Have to say GW2 over time with all the bits and pieces they have glued on has become the most BORING MMO out there. There is no meat on it's bones. It's all fluff and feathers.

Want a good MMO? Go with TESO, or if you don't like the style, go with FFXIV.

I don't want to pay a monthly sub though. Or have to catch up every time the level cap is raised.

Originally posted by waxxonn:

1)Bad and boring story

And then you mention the word FFXIV wow rofl...

And 4) erm you buy PoF and you get HoF etc.

The rest of your points as well as those i mentioned show you don't actually know a thing as most are in the game already, seems you are just a bad troll.

And there is less competitive end game in all the MMOs you mentioned, you literally need to go back to Everquest to find truely competitive end game raiding, no instanced timers so if you loose the race to engage you loose the timer for days/weeks until your next chance.

Isn't FF XIV ARR known for having a great story?

Originally posted by WetNose:

One of my main dislikes with GW2 is that everything feels meaningless. You can buy your gear for a few coppers, you get thousands of level upgrade thingies thrown at you.
I look at a dungeon now and say to myself 'just not worth my time'
The rewards are not worth my time.
Oh then there are the world boss fights. What's the point? You have this big ball of flashing lights, you don't know if you are actually hitting the boss or killing passing ducks, so you just spam keys, there is zero skill needed.
Everything I do in GW2 feels pointless. With games like ESO and FFXIV you have to work for your rewards and when you get those rewards it all feels worth it.
On launch GW2 was excellent but over time I feel it has since gone down the wrong path. Don't even mention all that Karma rubbish, my inventory is full of the garbage.

Admittidly yes, that's how open-world content is. But that's actually why I like it. I don't want to have to work for the world boss fights. But they're still quite fun for me, as a casual player. Which is IMO what the game caters to the most. And perhaps that'll be it's downfall, we'll see.

Originally posted by steelwork:

Originally posted by Savathun's Onlyfans/LoliNoxTan:

Amazing insight.

4th place is the worst MMO.... whatever you say my dude

lack of good none asian MMO/RPG alternative.
overly casual.
easy enough.
most content soloable. you don't even have to interact with anyone while doing a group activity.
tons of pointless achievements.
very good combat gameplay tho!
fancy skins and color customization (hello warframe)

there you go.

I'm a casual player, I like it being easy. Soloable so I'm not forced to find other players a lot of the time, which would be annoying. Achievements in every game are pointless. Although in GW2 you get titles and rewards sometimes. Not sure what you mean by that. And yeah skins and the dye customization is nice.

Originally posted by Angoril:

Originally posted by steelwork:

you don't even have to interact with anyone while doing a group activity.

This is by far the worst thing in this game and the main reason why it never became nor will become my main game. Not having to fight for nodes or kills is amazing considering how much drama it can cause in other MMORPGs, but GW2 is the most solo MMORPG out there as well. The guilds being a gathering of strangers instead of a group of friends, like they are in other MMORPGs, doesn't help either.

In general, no matter how you slice it, GW2 fails at the one thing that multiplayer games are supposed to be good at, making people play together and interact with one another.

Yeah but what if I want a kind of "MMO lite" thing. Where I can see other players, but not be forced to play with them that much? I mean I can't speak for every GW2 player but I'm sure there's a market for players like me. Yes, generally, that's the whole idea behind multiplayer games. But you don't have to force it that much.

Originally posted by Cirative:

Originally posted by neuronfly:

If you want a well thought out, expertly worded and very in depth review well then here it is. Following are the reasons why gw2 is the worst mmorpg compared to WoW, FFXIV and ESO:
1)Bad and boring story
2)No quests or no epic long questlines
3)No gear progresson (players are wearing the same gear from 2012)
4)Need to buy all patches and all expansions separately (in WoW, FFXIV and ESO we only need to buy the latest expansion and patches come free with the expansion)
5)No dungeon finder and raid finder
6)No meaningful character progression
7)No real competitive endgame (like heroic or mythic raids or mythic+ dungeons)
8)Dungeons are abandoned (no new dungeons in the expansions)
9)No mounts for base game owners
10)All the good looking cosmetic gear goes to the cash shop.

1. That's laughable.
2. Also laughable.
3. That's what makes it great. It's called horizontal expansion. There's no annoying grind or gear obsoletion.
4. It's a free to play game, with only two major expansions, compared to WoW's base cost, plus $15+ per month, plus 10+ expansions that were each like $30.
5. ...
6. It's called role playing, maybe you should educate yourself.
7. "Competitive" anything does not belong in RPGs.
8. That's laughably false.
9. It's a free to play game...
10. It's a free to play game...

Eh strictly speaking about the WHOLE game, it isn't free to play. Gotta pay for the expansions and the living world seasons.

Originally posted by Sco-Sco:

Originally posted by neuronfly:

If you want a well thought out, expertly worded and very in depth review well then here it is. Following are the reasons why gw2 is the worst mmorpg compared to WoW, FFXIV and ESO:
1)Bad and boring story
2)No quests or no epic long questlines
3)No gear progresson (players are wearing the same gear from 2012)
4)Need to buy all patches and all expansions separately (in WoW, FFXIV and ESO we only need to buy the latest expansion and patches come free with the expansion)
5)No dungeon finder and raid finder
6)No meaningful character progression
7)No real competitive endgame (like heroic or mythic raids or mythic+ dungeons)
8)Dungeons are abandoned (no new dungeons in the expansions)
9)No mounts for base game owners
10)All the good looking cosmetic gear goes to the cash shop.

10) Not quite. There is a ton of achievements that let you get amazing looking armor and weapons (some even quite hidden). And the term 'Cash Shop' is partly right. You can exchange the Gold you earn in the game for 'premium currency'. Thus, you can just save a bunch of Gold and never spend a dime on the game content.

In some ways you are completely wrong, in some only partly. But don't judge a game you haven't even obviously played yet. If you did you'd know the difference.

I love GW2 but IMO the gold to gems conversation ratio is awful. You are better off just working irl for the gems and buying them directly. If we're just talking strictly about time. To be fair, working probably isn't as fun as getting the gold in-game.

[Angoril]

Originally posted by Matthew:

Yeah but what if I want a kind of "MMO lite" thing. Where I can see other players, but not be forced to play with them that much? I mean I can't speak for every GW2 player but I'm sure there's a market for players like me. Yes, generally, that's the whole idea behind multiplayer games. But you don't have to force it that much.

I don't think a MMORPG designed in the same way as they were 15-20 years ago would actually work well today. Teens don't play MMORPGs these days so it wouldn't be as easy organizing stuff in between people that have a job, a family and various other responsibilities.

That said, GW2 takes it to the completely opposite side. As I said, I love not having to fight for nodes because I am an avid gatherer, in any game that allows it. Not having to fight for kills is pretty self explanatory for anyone that has played any MMORPG with world bosses that are on set timer. And yes, I wouldn't want to have to rely on others every time I step outside of a city either. But, GW2 is so much pushed towards the solo mindset that it requires no teamwork or even communication for 90% of the game. You could replace all the players with NPCs and it would make little to no difference. Actually, that's a lie... NPCs have dialogue, GW2 players on average don't even bother saying "hi".

[Matthew]

Originally posted by Angoril:

Originally posted by Matthew:

Yeah but what if I want a kind of "MMO lite" thing. Where I can see other players, but not be forced to play with them that much? I mean I can't speak for every GW2 player but I'm sure there's a market for players like me. Yes, generally, that's the whole idea behind multiplayer games. But you don't have to force it that much.

I don't think a MMORPG designed in the same way as they were 15-20 years ago would actually work well today. Teens don't play MMORPGs these days so it wouldn't be as easy organizing stuff in between people that have a job, a family and various other responsibilities.

That said, GW2 takes it to the completely opposite side. As I said, I love not having to fight for nodes because I am an avid gatherer, in any game that allows it. Not having to fight for kills is pretty self explanatory for anyone that has played any MMORPG with world bosses that are on set timer. And yes, I wouldn't want to have to rely on others every time I step outside of a city either. But, GW2 is so much pushed towards the solo mindset that it requires no teamwork or even communication for 90% of the game. You could replace all the players with NPCs and it would make little to no difference. Actually, that's a lie... NPCs have dialogue, GW2 players on average don't even bother saying "hi".

I do Karka Queen, Tequatl, and Triple Trouble daily. Would you really want to have to communicate and organize with other players for all of them? I'd hate that. Although with Triple Trouble, that's a lot more involved, so a couple guilds have taken to having squad commanders do them. Gotta do specific things and listen to them. But still, the former two, bleh.

And actually, for me, I would hate replacing the players with NPCs. Because I like simply seeing and knowing there's a bunch of players like me doing the same stuff.

Just saying, I enjoy a lack of teamwork or communication. I don't wanna communicate, much at least. I just wanna get stuff done.

[Angoril]

Originally posted by Matthew:

I do Karka Queen, Tequatl, and Triple Trouble daily. Would you really want to have to communicate and organize with other players for all of them? I'd hate that. Although with Triple Trouble, that's a lot more involved, so a couple guilds have taken to having squad commanders do them. Gotta do specific things and listen to them. But still, the former two, bleh.

And actually, for me, I would hate replacing the players with NPCs. Because I like simply seeing and knowing there's a bunch of players like me doing the same stuff.

Just saying, I enjoy a lack of teamwork or communication. I don't wanna communicate, much at least. I just wanna get stuff done.

I would like it, yes. It's a MMORPG. I play multiplayer games to play with other people. If I want to play solo exclusively, I stick to single player RPGs which are arguably better all around. Karka Queen would need a ton of work before it would be anywhere near communication worthy though, given it barely stays alive for a minute.

Being in between others though that, as I said before, can't even be bothered to type "hi" when you greet them, has no difference to having lines of code running around doing the same things that you do.

I know that people exist that want a more solo-like experience from multiplayer games and while I won't pretend I can understand it, I am not opposed to developers designing the games in a way that take that crowd into consideration as well. That doesn't mean never ask for any communication in case the solo players will be too inconvenienced to read something though.

[Matthew]

Originally posted by Angoril:

Originally posted by Matthew:

I do Karka Queen, Tequatl, and Triple Trouble daily. Would you really want to have to communicate and organize with other players for all of them? I'd hate that. Although with Triple Trouble, that's a lot more involved, so a couple guilds have taken to having squad commanders do them. Gotta do specific things and listen to them. But still, the former two, bleh.

And actually, for me, I would hate replacing the players with NPCs. Because I like simply seeing and knowing there's a bunch of players like me doing the same stuff.

Just saying, I enjoy a lack of teamwork or communication. I don't wanna communicate, much at least. I just wanna get stuff done.

I would like it, yes. It's a MMORPG. I play multiplayer games to play with other people. If I want to play solo exclusively, I stick to single player RPGs which are arguably better all around. Karka Queen would need a ton of work before it would be anywhere near communication worthy though, given it barely stays alive for a minute.

Being in between others though that, as I said before, can't even be bothered to type "hi" when you greet them, has no difference to having lines of code running around doing the same things that you do.

I know that people exist that want a more solo-like experience from multiplayer games and while I won't pretend I can understand it, I am not opposed to developers designing the games in a way that take that crowd into consideration as well. That doesn't mean never ask for any communication in case the solo players will be too inconvenienced to read something though.

Ok Well I wouldn't.

I play GW2 to play around other people, without having to interact with them.

And I can't say you're quite wrong, it would make a different to ME at least, simply knowing that the character 10 feet away isn't an actual human, but lines of code.

[ナオヤ]

No epic long story/quests? Dude, one of GW2's problem is that it has one super-long story that starts at lvl1 and goes on and on. Some people HOPE that the next xpac will actually finally end the story and make a place for new one (so that new players don't have to replay all previous story content to not feel left out).

[4u4310]

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[LeftPaw]

Originally posted by Toxic Man:

Yeah no GW2 is the best mmo out there right now. WoW is so bland i cant believe its still so big. FFXIV has awful combat, awful pvp, cheesy story, disgusting fetch quests. ESO looks like utter garbage especially considering its a 2014 game, combat feels like absolute aids. The only thing ESO does really well is the trailers.

THAT BEING SAID, the mmo genre is really bad overall. I say GW2 is the best one out there but even GW2 doesnt rise above a 6.5/10 for me personally.

I will say though Black Desert Online would easily be the best mmorpg if it wasnt such a mob grinder and actually had some structured pve content. The story is kinda dumb too.

Ashes of Creation will most likely crush all of it and do it fairly easily. Sure there will still be those people who cling on to WoW because they cant let it go no matter how subpar it ends up being.

After playing the 3 extensively over the past 2 months I gorra agree. GW2 takes the prise. GW2 has it's problems and isn't perfect but as far as available mmo's it has to be the best on offer.

[Matthew]

Originally posted by Naoya:

No epic long story/quests? Dude, one of GW2's problem is that it has one super-long story that starts at lvl1 and goes on and on. Some people HOPE that the next xpac will actually finally end the story and make a place for new one (so that new players don't have to replay all previous story content to not feel left out).

This is a point I haven't seen brought up, but it's a valid one. Although having to watch a fan-made recap of Season 1 on youtube is a more important point lol.

Though there's also a point to be made that making a new "storyline" would alienate people invested in current characters and mini-storylines.

[CyberDown]

Not the worst MMORPG, id probably choose WOW retail for that. GW2 just has the worst end game, as in there is no endgame.

Game gets less enjoyable as you progress as there isnt much to chase other than cosmetics and achivements.

Its the mmorpg made for idiots who want a MMO but havent figured out they dont actually like RPG games. Turned out most figured it out and moved out of the MMORPG genre, and well GW2 has decent amount of players but its the lowest of the mentioned MMORPGs by a long shot.

Most revolving around the sorta ignored PVP systems and the lack of real endgame chase.