What I always wanted to ask the writers of Warhammer Online and Mass Effect's Story Reap Off... I mean Guild Wars 2.

[Anne.Sullivan]

I always wanted to ask the lead writers how Zhaitan's powers work because the raising of the island of Orr flooded landmasses that would exist at the same time as Orr. And if it was a massive earthquake. Why in the nightmare is the closeby Tyrian landmass less flooded than the Canthan landmass that's a million square miles away from Orr?

My joke theory is that Zhaitan is the real Elder Mass Effect Reaper of water , and Soo-Won is only the Elder Mass Effect Reaper of sad stories, and because she cries so much, everyone thinks she controls water. 😁
By the way, hi Indigo.

[SinisterSlay]

And went down easy with a single cannon shooting at it.

[Anne.Sullivan]

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A bowl of water and a massive ocean with 2 landmass 6 weeks with good winds apart with many abstractions in the way, and Orr being a best size of Ireland are totally the same thing.

That's generally how we test scientific theories.. did you not go to school?
That's first grade science stuff lol

But then you're also going with the perpetual tsunami thing.

Yes, because that's literally how they work.
All a tsunami is is a massive flow of energy moving through water, typically caused by earthquakes.
Not all of them strike land, in fact you could be on a boat and one could pass right under you at the speed of a fighter jet and you would never know it.

But then what your suggesting is that Old Zhaity is the Elder Mass Effect Reaper of water, because not only his tsunamis are selective in force, but also can move his armies within them. So, thanks for agreeing with my joke theory.

That's established lore not your theory.
Zhaitan's death wave did carry many of his minions across great distances.. tides do this all the time.
That's how people drift away and get lost at sea as well.

It's also canon that many killed in Zhaitan Disaster were transformed into Risen as well, which means that the Great Tsunami also carried enough of his magic to corrupt the corpses of those it killed.
Zhaitan basically woke up and nuked the world with his death magic.

what your suggesting breaks the laws of physics as there isn't such thing as a perpetual force.
Everything losses speed and momentum after time.
Also, the farther a location is the more force you have exsert.
Also, energy? Lol
Tsunamis are large bodies of water that are being displaced by a massive force like an earthquake or volcanic eruption not build up water energy.
I think you been playing two much fantasy games.
Also, even if they did. Your hand displacing the water in the bowl and then suddenly creating a little bit of force by quickly moving it out of the bowl doesn't match a massive eruption or displacement of landmass aka earthquakes.
Never the less, it's nice to know that you also agree that he is the Elder Mass Effect Reaper of water.
Or that you prove that everyone knows that the rules of garbage waste 2 don't matter, because no one cares about them.

[Anne.Sullivan]

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And went down easy with a single cannon shooting at it.

It's funny that a creature of that size that can raise entire Ireland size islands from the dust, can create massive waves that cross massive oceans in days to flood them with such selectivity with only whatever is death magic, and raise armies of undead with it's mind is defeated by a simple laser cannon.
The lore of garbage waste 2 is a complete rule less nonsense.
And i don't think Indigo and his crack team of writers is going to change that.
But I wouldn't blame the guy. Fixing the mistakes of Tommy and his compatriots without retconning it entirely is a herculean task.

[Astrallight]

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And went down easy with a single cannon shooting at it.

It's funny that a creature of that size that can raise entire Ireland size islands from the dust, can create massive waves that cross massive oceans in days to flood them with such selectivity with only whatever is death magic, and raise armies of undead with it's mind is defeated by a simple laser cannon.
The lore of garbage waste 2 is a complete rule less nonsense.
And i don't think Indigo and his crack team of writers is going to change that.
But I wouldn't blame the guy. Fixing the mistakes of Tommy and his compatriots without retconning it entirely is a herculean task.

Must be exhausting to be this mad about a game.

[Anne.Sullivan]

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It's funny that a creature of that size that can raise entire Ireland size islands from the dust, can create massive waves that cross massive oceans in days to flood them with such selectivity with only whatever is death magic, and raise armies of undead with it's mind is defeated by a simple laser cannon.
The lore of garbage waste 2 is a complete rule less nonsense.
And i don't think Indigo and his crack team of writers is going to change that.
But I wouldn't blame the guy. Fixing the mistakes of Tommy and his compatriots without retconning it entirely is a herculean task.

Must be exhausting to be this mad about a game.

Be honest, you wouldn't be saying this if you weren't same, but about what I said.

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what your suggesting breaks the laws of physics as there isn't such thing as a perpetual force.
Everything losses speed and momentum after time.
Also, the farther a location is the more force you have exsert.
Also, energy? Lol
Tsunamis are large bodies of water that are being displaced by a massive force like an earthquake or volcanic eruption not build up water energy.

Yes they loose speed and power over distance but that is drastically affected by the depths of water like I said.

Shallow water and landmass drastically diminish a Tsunami's power, where as open deep water does little to diminish it.
An earthquake can create a Tsunami near a coastline and the energy expended will travel significantly more out into open sea than it will towards the coast.

Ultimately the amount of energy used to create the event in the first place dictates how far it will go so long as nothing gets in it's way.

Also, even if they did. Your hand displacing the water in the bowl and then suddenly creating a little bit of force by quickly moving it out of the bowl doesn't match a massive eruption or displacement of landmass aka earthquakes.

Well obviously lol
But the basic premise is similar enough.
Run your hand through a full bathtub and that water is gonna keep moving around for a good while.. the more force you use the more energy will bounce around in that tub and the more violently it'll react when it hits the side.

Naturally we're talking colossal amounts of energy when it comes to things like Earthquakes, or in GW2's case an entire country being rapidly raised up out of the ocean by an entity wielding godlike power.

Never the less, it's nice to know that you also agree that he is the Elder Mass Effect Reaper of water.
Or that you prove that everyone knows that the rules of garbage waste 2 don't matter, because no one cares about them.

Can't say really.. I found Mass Effect to be a massively overrated pile of garbage personally so I have no frame of reference to what you're comparing him too xD
Not that it matters either way.

The Buildup for GW2's Elder Dragons was often better than the actual in game encounter.. Sadly Zhaitan remains the worst of them to this day and many fans agree he is in dire need of a redesign.
The encounter that is not the actual Design of the Dragon itself, that's fine as it is.
But man that Arah dungeon path is just awful.. and the fight against Zhaitan sucked majorly.

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what your suggesting breaks the laws of physics as there isn't such thing as a perpetual force.
Everything losses speed and momentum after time.
Also, the farther a location is the more force you have exsert.
Also, energy? Lol
Tsunamis are large bodies of water that are being displaced by a massive force like an earthquake or volcanic eruption not build up water energy.

Yes they loose speed and power over distance but that is drastically affected by the depths of water like I said.

Shallow water and landmass drastically diminish a Tsunami's power, where as open deep water does little to diminish it.
An earthquake can create a Tsunami near a coastline and the energy expended will travel significantly more out into open sea than it will towards the coast.

Ultimately the amount of energy used to create the event in the first place dictates how far it will go so long as nothing gets in it's way.

Also, even if they did. Your hand displacing the water in the bowl and then suddenly creating a little bit of force by quickly moving it out of the bowl doesn't match a massive eruption or displacement of landmass aka earthquakes.

Well obviously lol
But the basic premise is similar enough.
Run your hand through a full bathtub and that water is gonna keep moving around for a good while.. the more force you use the more energy will bounce around in that tub and the more violently it'll react when it hits the side.

Naturally we're talking colossal amounts of energy when it comes to things like Earthquakes, or in GW2's case an entire country being rapidly raised up out of the ocean by an entity wielding godlike power.

Never the less, it's nice to know that you also agree that he is the Elder Mass Effect Reaper of water.
Or that you prove that everyone knows that the rules of garbage waste 2 don't matter, because no one cares about them.

Can't say really.. I found Mass Effect to be a massively overrated pile of garbage personally so I have no frame of reference to what you're comparing him too xD
Not that it matters either way.

The Buildup for GW2's Elder Dragons was often better than the actual in game encounter.. Sadly Zhaitan remains the worst of them to this day and many fans agree he is in dire need of a redesign.
The encounter that is not the actual Design of the Dragon itself, that's fine as it is.
But man that Arah dungeon path is just awful.. and the fight against Zhaitan sucked majorly.

You when from bowls to bathtubs.
Even underwater landmass is uneven, especially in a ocean.
Even oceans on earth can have places where the water is shallow.
Never the less, for something like a tsunami to have the necessary energy to continue spreading it needs a propagator like an earthquake or volcanic eruption. Without it, it has no force to generate its speed and momentum. So, it will begin to lose speed and momentum.
Also, water has mass and such can create resistance, and such the tsunami will beginning losing speed because the claim water is creating resistance. Everything with a mass can create resistance as everything in nature tries to maintain its consistency.
Okay let me end your suffering by making your point.
Zhaitan can easily do it without creating anymore earthquakes or landmass displacements.
By simply using his own energy as a propagator he can exsert the necessary force. Which will allow him to create said tsunamis necessary to flood selectively those places without using water magic.
Which means Zhaitan was either only wanted to move his forces or simply this is how much he could or choose to exsert himself.
So, go on with your day. I fixed it for you.

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You when from bowls to bathtubs.

You seemed to have trouble with the basic concept so I made it bigger :)

Even underwater landmass is uneven, especially in a ocean.
Even oceans on earth can have places where the water is shallow.
Never the less, for something like a tsunami to have the necessary energy to continue spreading it needs a propagator like an earthquake or volcanic eruption. Without it, it has no force to generate its speed and momentum. So, it will begin to lose speed and momentum.
Also, water has mass and such can create resistance, and such the tsunami will beginning losing speed because the claim water is creating resistance. Everything with a mass can create resistance as everything in nature tries to maintain its consistency.

It would honestly be much quicker if you just looked it up yourself.. very easy to find info on this subject since the world has had a good number of them recorded.

It doesn't need a constant source to fuel it, it just needs a significant source to start it.
Yes it will loose speed over time and distance but you're greatly underestimating how much energy these things carry and how easily that energy moves though open water.

The great Indian Ocean Tsunami, one of the worst Tsunami's in history was estimated to have contained the energy of over 23,000 atomic bombs.
That one Tsunami hit 11 different countries and killed over 150,000 people.
Really think about that for a minute.. it's a monumental amount of power.

Zhaitan can easily do it without creating anymore earthquakes or landmass displacements.
By simply using his own energy as a propagator he can exsert the necessary force. Which will allow him to create said tsunamis necessary to flood selectively those places without using water magic.
Which means Zhaitan was either only wanted to move his forces or simply this is how much he could or choose to exsert himself.
So, go on with your day. I fixed it for you.

He rose a country from the depths of the ocean, that's what caused the Tsunami, he didn't just magic one up lol
Zhaitan has no power over water like that, that's Soo Won's domain.

The only water he actually did corrupt was the Artesian Waters and the only reason he was able to do that is because they were full of magic.
Those waters are the reason he was able to corrupt Orr in the first place and raise it from the depths.
The land itself is full of magic because of those Waters, and he corrupted the entire landmass.

The Tsunami itself wasn't corrupted but it did carry his magic and his minions across great distances.

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You when from bowls to bathtubs.

You seemed to have trouble with the basic concept so I made it bigger :)

Even underwater landmass is uneven, especially in a ocean.
Even oceans on earth can have places where the water is shallow.
Never the less, for something like a tsunami to have the necessary energy to continue spreading it needs a propagator like an earthquake or volcanic eruption. Without it, it has no force to generate its speed and momentum. So, it will begin to lose speed and momentum.
Also, water has mass and such can create resistance, and such the tsunami will beginning losing speed because the claim water is creating resistance. Everything with a mass can create resistance as everything in nature tries to maintain its consistency.

It would honestly be much quicker if you just looked it up yourself.. very easy to find info on this subject since the world has had a good number of them recorded.

It doesn't need a constant source to fuel it, it just needs a significant source to start it.
Yes it will loose speed over time and distance but you're greatly underestimating how much energy these things carry and how easily that energy moves though open water.

The great Indian Ocean Tsunami, one of the worst Tsunami's in history was estimated to have contained the energy of over 23,000 atomic bombs.
That one Tsunami hit 11 different countries and killed over 150,000 people.
Really think about that for a minute.. it's a monumental amount of power.

Zhaitan can easily do it without creating anymore earthquakes or landmass displacements.
By simply using his own energy as a propagator he can exsert the necessary force. Which will allow him to create said tsunamis necessary to flood selectively those places without using water magic.
Which means Zhaitan was either only wanted to move his forces or simply this is how much he could or choose to exsert himself.
So, go on with your day. I fixed it for you.

He rose a country from the depths of the ocean, that's what caused the Tsunami, he didn't just magic one up lol
Zhaitan has no power over water like that, that's Soo Won's domain.

The only water he actually did corrupt was the Artesian Waters and the only reason he was able to do that is because they were full of magic.
Those waters are the reason he was able to corrupt Orr in the first place and raise it from the depths.
The land itself is full of magic because of those Waters, and he corrupted the entire landmass.

The Tsunami itself wasn't corrupted but it did carry his magic and his minions across great distances.

Yeah, in the Indian ocean hours close to the epicenter not landmass 6 weeks of travel with good winds away.
Oh, and by the way, it didn't cause any permanent damage to the coastlines of any of those landmass.
Also, I didn't say his using water magic. Read better.
By the way, the island of Orr is still a small Island.
I am trying to plug the holes with basically theories so you go away, and your unplugging them with googled barely researched facts and more of the badly thought out "lore" of garbage waste 2.
Also, I like how the raising of the Island of Orr is magical in nature, but the selective in effectiveness tsunamis are natural in nature.

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Yeah, in the Indian ocean hours close to the epicenter not landmass 6 weeks of travel with good winds away.

Yes, and like I said Zhaitans Tsunami also carried with it a great deal of his magic as well, magic is energy, power in this universe and that likely had some affect on the Tsunami.
And like I also said, Tsunami's travel easier underwater.. the wind would have had no effect on it.

You're speaking like it was some giant wave that travelled all the way from Orr to Cantha, that's not how Tsunami's work over open water.
The wave part only forms once the land starts to shallow and that energy is pushed up to the surface.

By the way, the island of Orr is still a small Island.

Not that small, it's not too far off the size of Kryta.
An asteroid that's only 7-8 miles long has the ability to eradicate all life on earth.
Orr doesn't have to be a continent the size of America, what matters is the amount of energy that got released when Zhaitan dragged it up from the Ocean floor.

I am trying to plug the holes with basically theories so you go away

I'll stop replying when I get bored :)
Then you'll miss me :P

your unplugging them with googled barely researched facts and more of the badly thought out "lore" of garbage waste 2.

I don't use google, I oppose things that gleefully push authoritarianism and censorship.
Garbage companies like Google deserve to be destroyed and replaced with better alternatives.. and I'll be one of many cheering on the day that happens.

Lore is the lore though, doesn't really matter if you think it's wrong.
Happened in the game world regardless, but you can always hop over to Old Kaineng if you want to, and preach in the chat that the Great Tsunami was a lie, or a "conspiracy theory" to cover up some secret weapons project or something.. like some crazy atrocity denier kind of person..

I would genuinely find that bloody hilarious to be honest xD

Also, I like how the raising of the Island of Orr is magical in nature, but the selective in effectiveness tsunamis are natural in nature.

Well.. yes and no.
The Tsunami followed naturally to a great magical event, but like I said it did carry Zhaitans magic with it and his minions.
So it had unnatural elements as well.

If you want to simplify it you could just think of it like it was a natural event that was enhanced by and caused by his magic.

Kind of like Kralkatoriks Brand Storm's, tornado's are natural events but infuse one with Kralkies magic and you twist it into a brandstorm.
The only difference is that Kralk can create them at will where as Zhaitan needed to cause the Tsunami's in order to take advantage of them.

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Yeah, in the Indian ocean hours close to the epicenter not landmass 6 weeks of travel with good winds away.

Yes, and like I said Zhaitans Tsunami also carried with it a great deal of his magic as well, magic is energy, power in this universe and that likely had some affect on the Tsunami.
And like I also said, Tsunami's travel easier underwater.. the wind would have had no effect on it.

You're speaking like it was some giant wave that travelled all the way from Orr to Cantha, that's not how Tsunami's work over open water.
The wave part only forms once the land starts to shallow and that energy is pushed up to the surface.

By the way, the island of Orr is still a small Island.

Not that small, it's not too far off the size of Kryta.
An asteroid that's only 7-8 miles long has the ability to eradicate all life on earth.
Orr doesn't have to be a continent the size of America, what matters is the amount of energy that got released when Zhaitan dragged it up from the Ocean floor.

I am trying to plug the holes with basically theories so you go away

I'll stop replying when I get bored :)
Then you'll miss me :P

your unplugging them with googled barely researched facts and more of the badly thought out "lore" of garbage waste 2.

I don't use google, I oppose things that gleefully push authoritarianism and censorship.
Garbage companies like Google deserve to be destroyed and replaced with better alternatives.. and I'll be one of many cheering on the day that happens.

Lore is the lore though, doesn't really matter if you think it's wrong.
Happened in the game world regardless, but you can always hop over to Old Kaineng if you want to, and preach in the chat that the Great Tsunami was a lie, or a "conspiracy theory" to cover up some secret weapons project or something.. like some crazy atrocity denier kind of person..

I would genuinely find that bloody hilarious to be honest xD

Also, I like how the raising of the Island of Orr is magical in nature, but the selective in effectiveness tsunamis are natural in nature.

Well.. yes and no.
The Tsunami followed naturally to a great magical event, but like I said it did carry Zhaitans magic with it and his minions.
So it had unnatural elements as well.

If you want to simplify it you could just think of it like it was a natural event that was enhanced by and caused by his magic.

Kind of like Kralkatoriks Brand Storm's, tornado's are natural events but infuse one with Kralkies magic and you twist it into a brandstorm.
The only difference is that Kralk can create them at will where as Zhaitan needed to cause the Tsunami's in order to take advantage of them.

Travels underwater? Tsunamis are massive displacements of water. 😄
Finally your argument is falling apart.
If you're going for pointless rumblings about how google is evil and disasters caused by impact from a object that has build his impact force through massive air and planetary magnetic resistance.
How did it all go from bowls and bathtub to planetary forces?
Also, I like how the Tsunamis are both magical and also not at all.
And Zhaity created and powered the tsunamis and not at all.
Hell, even kralkatorik the Elder Mass Effect Reaper of Crystal/ Corrupt/ Dark/ Void magic got involved and with same problem as Zhaity.
Is this one of the writers?
Or I am a see the first case of it's like that but not at all out side of Garbage Waste 2?

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Travels underwater? Tsunamis are massive displacement of water. 😄

Yep their energy travels under deep water, look it up.

It's not like an earthquake happens miles away and then oh look a giant wave just magically appears on a beach.
That energy has to travel from A to B through the water, and it moves extremely fast when that water is deep enough.
And it won't even cause a single ripple on the surface when that happens.. seriously, look it up.

If you're going for pointless rumblings about how google is evil and disasters caused by impact from a object that has build his impact force through massive air and planetary magnetic resistance.

You brought up google specifically, I just corrected you. :P

And the point about the asteroid is very relevant since you made the argument that Orr is "small" and therefore the Tsunami travelling so far doesn't make sense.

It's all about the energy like i've been telling you over and over again.
You think you can do as much damage to a target by throwing a bullet at it than you could by shooting it from a gun?

No.. no you couldn't, because you cannot create the same level of energy firing a bullet does with your own muscles.

Orr's size doesn't matter as much as the energy it created when it was pulled up from the depths.
Orr didn't float up slowly, it was dragged up rapidly, displacing god knows how many tons of water.

How did it all go from bowls and bathtub to planetary forces?

Because you're failing to understand basic first grade science concepts.
And you also seem reluctant to look them up too.

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Travels underwater? Tsunamis are massive displacement of water. 😄

Yep their energy travels under deep water, look it up.

It's not like an earthquake happens miles away and then oh look a giant wave just magically appears on a beach.
That energy has to travel from A to B through the water, and it moves extremely fast when that water is deep enough.
And it won't even cause a single ripple on the surface when that happens.. seriously, look it up.

If you're going for pointless rumblings about how google is evil and disasters caused by impact from a object that has build his impact force through massive air and planetary magnetic resistance.

You brought up google specifically, I just corrected you. :P

And the point about the asteroid is very relevant since you made the argument that Orr is "small" and therefore the Tsunami travelling so far doesn't make sense.

It's all about the energy like i've been telling you over and over again.
You think you can do as much damage to a target by throwing a bullet at it than you could by shooting it from a gun?

No.. no you couldn't, because you cannot create the same level of energy firing a bullet does with your own muscles.

Orr's size doesn't matter as much as the energy it created when it was pulled up from the depths.
Orr didn't float up slowly, it was dragged up rapidly, displacing god knows how many tons of water.

How did it all go from bowls and bathtub to planetary forces?

Because you're failing to understand basic first grade science concepts.
And you also seem reluctant to look them up too.

Energy is just a term used describe the amount of force it has produced or the amount of time it has before it losses speed and momentum.
But you're not using that way. You are using it is if tsunamis are magical in themselves.
You need playing two many fantasy games, my sweet child.
Orr's raising can't benefit from the additional force build from resistance of both air and planetary magnetic resistance. Orr's raising will only displace the landmass its apart of and the water around it does creating force necessary to cause earthquakes and from that Tsunamis.
Also, it isn't the energy of the tsunami traveling under water, but propagator's force that causes the displacement of the water aka a Tsunami exerting its on the water mass.
You are living in fantasy land.
And you know why? Because you're using energy incorrect, is if everything is running on magical rule and not movement and displacement of matter.
What your doing here is no different from the anime fans arguing that the characters need to wear revealing clothes because it's part of their character development, and some how it's related to japanese culture.
While the reality is the creators put them in sexy clothes to sell it better.
The reason Zhaity can create so selective tsunamis has nothing to do with logic both real or in universe, but rather they wanted to get rid of these places because well they hate Guild Wars Original even though their forced to reference it, because you don't care about garbage waste 2 lore.
So, your bullet theory is pointless in the Grand Over All.
Also, the propeller exerting energy to create the necessary force to propelle the bullet to generate enough speed to become lethal. Not the bullet exerting energy to become lethal.

[Perenti]

Energy is not force. Momentum is not force. You don't know Navier-Stokes, and you don't know physics.

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Energy is not force. Momentum is not force. You don't know Navier-Stokes, and you don't know physics.

People say the amount of energy it has before it losses the necessary force. Or the amount of energy stored in will maintain its speed and momentum to this point.
Not the bullet exerts energy that kills people. Instead they would say the bullet has the speed and straight to kill that person.
You kids really need to stop with you imaginary science, because a bunch of writers didn't care about the logic of their story and you can't accept that Garbage Waste 2 ain't perfect.
So, no more perpetual tsunamis that continue ridiculous distances without a propagator. Or bullets that exert their own energy and generate their own force.
Also, when did I say momentum is force?