The Guild Wars CCG is Pointless and Unprofitable

[Anne.Sullivan]

There is a reason Hearthstone is the biggest, with Magic second and Yu-Gi-Oh third. Because Hearthstone has the Warcraft series, Magic has the books, and Yu-Gi-Oh gives every CCG player PTSD. While the lore of Guild Wars Original is there for the revolution that being a human is COOL. And the Garbage Waste 2 "lore" is nonsense no one cares about. 
Basically, without a recognizable and rich IP, CCGs die like fruit flies.
And the only person in the world that has played CCGs and knows the Guild Wars universe and Garbage Waste 2's thing is me, because yes, you can make the Afflicted expansion for the CCG, but the reality is that even if you ask Wooden Potatoes who the Afflicted are, he will ask Who. Hell, ask any of these super fans who the Afflicted are, and you will see only empty stares.
And building it on top of Garbage Waste 2 is like building a swimming pool in a rain paddle. 

So, no NCsoft, you're wasting your money. 

[Joker]

CCGs are having kind of a bad time
PvP ones anyway
Rogulites is the new thing
We haven't had any big CCG's for a while (that I can think of)
Without knowing anything about the game, I would say it's likely it will be a roguelite deckbuilder
I'm a bit tired of roguelite deckbuilders myself though
Another scenario I see happening is that it will have a roguelite singleplayer campaign and PvP multiplayer
Just played a pretty unknown CCG lately that did exactly that
If done right, can reach a larger audience

[Hefutoxin]

These threads of yours are the same.

[Anne.Sullivan]

Originally posted by Hefutoxin:

These threads of yours are the same.

Jonny here can't read properly, but he wants a CCG. Oy vey

[messanoir]

Originally posted by vera.boneva77:

There is a reason Hearthstone is the biggest, with Magic second and Yu-Gi-Oh third. Because Hearthstone has the Warcraft series, Magic has the books, and Yu-Gi-Oh gives every CCG player PTSD. While the lore of Guild Wars Original is there for the revolution that being a human is COOL. And the Garbage Waste 2 "lore" is nonsense no one cares about.
Basically, without a recognizable and rich IP, CCGs die like fruit flies.
And the only person in the world that has played CCGs and knows the Guild Wars universe and Garbage Waste 2's thing is me, because yes, you can make the Afflicted expansion for the CCG, but the reality is that even if you ask Wooden Potatoes who the Afflicted are, he will ask Who. Hell, ask any of these super fans who the Afflicted are, and you will see only empty stares.
And building it on top of Garbage Waste 2 is like building a swimming pool in a rain paddle.

So, no NCsoft, you're wasting your money.

First, I had some questions, if I may. I could just assume I know what you mean based on what you've written, but better to not guess.

1. By "CCG" are you referring to video games, digital card collecting, physical card collecting, or combination of all? (Since CCG just means "Collectible Card Game" and could refer to a lot of different games.)

2. What are you basing popularity on? Sales? Player-base? Longevity? Other factors? Could you be specific and provide the sources for the information?

3. By "Guild Wars Original" are you referring to just the first trilogy, the trilogy + Eye of the North, or just Prophecies? ( since it released first)

4. What constitutes a "recognizable and rich IP", please give specific examples or definitions as to how we are judging this.

5. Is the CCG you are referring to this one? https://steamdb.info/app/3231530/depots/
If so, it’s interesting all this talk over a game that does no exist outside of some encrypted placeholder files and a picture. Personally, I will wait till actual verifiable information is released from NCSoft or ArenaNet, as SteamDB’s only comment regarding the “game” is:
“This app is hidden to the public. SteamDB has seen data for this app before, so for historic purposes it has been kept visible on this page, and may be out of date.”
If you click on the page link for the parent app (AP ID 3214150 for reference) it has no information other than this:
“This app is hidden to the public. There is extremely limited to no information available about this app”
If you happen to have more information regarding its existence, please provide the sources, I’d love to read them.

6. Regarding your statement about the Afflicted. This made me think that for Question 3 you must mean the Trilogy of games, since the Afflicted only appear in Factions (go ask Shiro, *wink, wink* lol). That being said, your statement regarding Wooden Potatoes specifically just comes off as just egotistical narcissism. If you had bothered to do any research regarding that, you would know that he has done entire play-throughs of the trilogy, as well as rather lengthy lore video playlists.

I will admit I don’t expect much in the way of a reply, I have attempted to actually discuss the games with you before, I have played Guild Wars quite a bit, still do in fact, and was usually met with no actual responses other than more of how much you dislike Guild Wars 2, which is fine, that’s the great thing about opinions. Since opinions are not facts, everyone can have one and no-one is right or wrong.

[Anne.Sullivan]

Originally posted by messanoir:

Originally posted by vera.boneva77:

There is a reason Hearthstone is the biggest, with Magic second and Yu-Gi-Oh third. Because Hearthstone has the Warcraft series, Magic has the books, and Yu-Gi-Oh gives every CCG player PTSD. While the lore of Guild Wars Original is there for the revolution that being a human is COOL. And the Garbage Waste 2 "lore" is nonsense no one cares about.
Basically, without a recognizable and rich IP, CCGs die like fruit flies.
And the only person in the world that has played CCGs and knows the Guild Wars universe and Garbage Waste 2's thing is me, because yes, you can make the Afflicted expansion for the CCG, but the reality is that even if you ask Wooden Potatoes who the Afflicted are, he will ask Who. Hell, ask any of these super fans who the Afflicted are, and you will see only empty stares.
And building it on top of Garbage Waste 2 is like building a swimming pool in a rain paddle.

So, no NCsoft, you're wasting your money.

First, I had some questions, if I may. I could just assume I know what you mean based on what you've written, but better to not guess.

1. By "CCG" are you referring to video games, digital card collecting, physical card collecting, or combination of all? (Since CCG just means "Collectible Card Game" and could refer to a lot of different games.)

2. What are you basing popularity on? Sales? Player-base? Longevity? Other factors? Could you be specific and provide the sources for the information?

3. By "Guild Wars Original" are you referring to just the first trilogy, the trilogy + Eye of the North, or just Prophecies? ( since it released first)

4. What constitutes a "recognizable and rich IP", please give specific examples or definitions as to how we are judging this.

5. Is the CCG you are referring to this one? https://steamdb.info/app/3231530/depots/
If so, it’s interesting all this talk over a game that does no exist outside of some encrypted placeholder files and a picture. Personally, I will wait till actual verifiable information is released from NCSoft or ArenaNet, as SteamDB’s only comment regarding the “game” is:
“This app is hidden to the public. SteamDB has seen data for this app before, so for historic purposes it has been kept visible on this page, and may be out of date.”
If you click on the page link for the parent app (AP ID 3214150 for reference) it has no information other than this:
“This app is hidden to the public. There is extremely limited to no information available about this app”
If you happen to have more information regarding its existence, please provide the sources, I’d love to read them.

6. Regarding your statement about the Afflicted. This made me think that for Question 3 you must mean the Trilogy of games, since the Afflicted only appear in Factions (go ask Shiro, *wink, wink* lol). That being said, your statement regarding Wooden Potatoes specifically just comes off as just egotistical narcissism. If you had bothered to do any research regarding that, you would know that he has done entire play-throughs of the trilogy, as well as rather lengthy lore video playlists.

I will admit I don’t expect much in the way of a reply, I have attempted to actually discuss the games with you before, I have played Guild Wars quite a bit, still do in fact, and was usually met with no actual responses other than more of how much you dislike Guild Wars 2, which is fine, that’s the great thing about opinions. Since opinions are not facts, everyone can have one and no-one is right or wrong.

I am not talking to you ,suger plums, but NCSOFT. Also, I like how you know the most minimum about the Afflicted like Wooden Potatoes. I don't know should I cry, laugh, or both

[messanoir]

Originally posted by vera.boneva77:

Originally posted by messanoir:

First, I had some questions, if I may. I could just assume I know what you mean based on what you've written, but better to not guess.

1. By "CCG" are you referring to video games, digital card collecting, physical card collecting, or combination of all? (Since CCG just means "Collectible Card Game" and could refer to a lot of different games.)

2. What are you basing popularity on? Sales? Player-base? Longevity? Other factors? Could you be specific and provide the sources for the information?

3. By "Guild Wars Original" are you referring to just the first trilogy, the trilogy + Eye of the North, or just Prophecies? ( since it released first)

4. What constitutes a "recognizable and rich IP", please give specific examples or definitions as to how we are judging this.

5. Is the CCG you are referring to this one? https://steamdb.info/app/3231530/depots/
If so, it’s interesting all this talk over a game that does no exist outside of some encrypted placeholder files and a picture. Personally, I will wait till actual verifiable information is released from NCSoft or ArenaNet, as SteamDB’s only comment regarding the “game” is:
“This app is hidden to the public. SteamDB has seen data for this app before, so for historic purposes it has been kept visible on this page, and may be out of date.”
If you click on the page link for the parent app (AP ID 3214150 for reference) it has no information other than this:
“This app is hidden to the public. There is extremely limited to no information available about this app”
If you happen to have more information regarding its existence, please provide the sources, I’d love to read them.

6. Regarding your statement about the Afflicted. This made me think that for Question 3 you must mean the Trilogy of games, since the Afflicted only appear in Factions (go ask Shiro, *wink, wink* lol). That being said, your statement regarding Wooden Potatoes specifically just comes off as just egotistical narcissism. If you had bothered to do any research regarding that, you would know that he has done entire play-throughs of the trilogy, as well as rather lengthy lore video playlists.

I will admit I don’t expect much in the way of a reply, I have attempted to actually discuss the games with you before, I have played Guild Wars quite a bit, still do in fact, and was usually met with no actual responses other than more of how much you dislike Guild Wars 2, which is fine, that’s the great thing about opinions. Since opinions are not facts, everyone can have one and no-one is right or wrong.

I am not talking to you ,suger plums, but NCSOFT. Also, I like how you know the most minimum about the Afflicted like Wooden Potatoes. I don't know should I cry, laugh, or both

Well, I am talking to you, public forum and all that (notice you still avoid any and all questions that actually ask you to prove any knowledge you claim to have, glad to see some things never change.) And as you should most definitely know, in your infinite wisdom and knowledge, NCSoft does not come here to these forums (especially when the things you like to discuss are either about the wrong game whose forums your posting in, or in this case, about a game that doesn't actually exist) looking for advice or info from the public...they have their own dedicated outlets for that.

I would be happy, as I mentioned, to go over all the knowledge I do have about the games, to have a real discussion, I am just curious whether or not you will do the same, since so far, you only ever seem to just post so you can insult others, the Guild wars 2 game and developers, and anyone who doesn't immediately agree with everything you say.

Quick edit: did want to ask..regarding the afflicted,. well, I try to not spoil things for those that may not have gotten to experience for themselves..Is there something specific you'd to know? How they are created, where found, the different types, best methods to combat, or something else. honestly, Lore side, they are not really that complicated, but i'm glad to humor you however I can. :)

[Hefutoxin]

Originally posted by vera.boneva77:

I am not talking to you ,suger plums, but NCSOFT. Also, I like how you know the most minimum about the Afflicted like Wooden Potatoes. I don't know should I cry, laugh, or both

NCSoft doesn't visit this forum, buttercup.

So you are talking only to us.

[Anne.Sullivan]

Originally posted by Hefutoxin:

Originally posted by vera.boneva77:

I am not talking to you ,suger plums, but NCSOFT. Also, I like how you know the most minimum about the Afflicted like Wooden Potatoes. I don't know should I cry, laugh, or both

NCSoft doesn't visit this forum, buttercup.

So you are talking only to us.

Oh, their reading. Their reading. the demons coming back like a std proves it.

[Anne.Sullivan]

Originally posted by messanoir:

Originally posted by vera.boneva77:

I am not talking to you ,suger plums, but NCSOFT. Also, I like how you know the most minimum about the Afflicted like Wooden Potatoes. I don't know should I cry, laugh, or both

Well, I am talking to you, public forum and all that (notice you still avoid any and all questions that actually ask you to prove any knowledge you claim to have, glad to see some things never change.) And as you should most definitely know, in your infinite wisdom and knowledge, NCSoft does not come here to these forums (especially when the things you like to discuss are either about the wrong game whose forums your posting in, or in this case, about a game that doesn't actually exist) looking for advice or info from the public...they have their own dedicated outlets for that.

I would be happy, as I mentioned, to go over all the knowledge I do have about the games, to have a real discussion, I am just curious whether or not you will do the same, since so far, you only ever seem to just post so you can insult others, the Guild wars 2 game and developers, and anyone who doesn't immediately agree with everything you say.

Quick edit: did want to ask..regarding the afflicted,. well, I try to not spoil things for those that may not have gotten to experience for themselves..Is there something specific you'd to know? How they are created, where found, the different types, best methods to combat, or something else. honestly, Lore side, they are not really that complicated, but i'm glad to humor you however I can. :)

The Afflicted are also in beyond, you sweet summer child. Specially in Winds of change the beginning of it. They should be there, but at that point the writers and lore master were gone daddy gone aka not at Arenanet now known as Mythic UNEntertainment.

[messanoir]

Originally posted by vera.boneva77:

Originally posted by messanoir:

Well, I am talking to you, public forum and all that (notice you still avoid any and all questions that actually ask you to prove any knowledge you claim to have, glad to see some things never change.) And as you should most definitely know, in your infinite wisdom and knowledge, NCSoft does not come here to these forums (especially when the things you like to discuss are either about the wrong game whose forums your posting in, or in this case, about a game that doesn't actually exist) looking for advice or info from the public...they have their own dedicated outlets for that.

I would be happy, as I mentioned, to go over all the knowledge I do have about the games, to have a real discussion, I am just curious whether or not you will do the same, since so far, you only ever seem to just post so you can insult others, the Guild wars 2 game and developers, and anyone who doesn't immediately agree with everything you say.

Quick edit: did want to ask..regarding the afflicted,. well, I try to not spoil things for those that may not have gotten to experience for themselves..Is there something specific you'd to know? How they are created, where found, the different types, best methods to combat, or something else. honestly, Lore side, they are not really that complicated, but i'm glad to humor you however I can. :)

The Afflicted are also in beyond, you sweet summer child. Specially in Winds of change the beginning of it. They should be there, but at that point the writers and lore master were gone daddy gone.

OK, thanks for stating what a lot of us already know, and is fairly common and easy to find knowledge. No-one is denying the existence or where/how you encounter the Afllicted.

Care to respond to any of the other questions/topic presented to you, or just gonna keep posting random info we could all google in a few seconds? :)

Edit: Did want to add, for sake of discussion, that the Afflicted are an interesting enemy, akin to Zhaitans Undead. I mean, they're neat, and the idea that they were created through being associated with Shiro is neat, but all that really happens Lore wise in Beyond is discussing how to end their threat, and then trying to setup and close out the story to prepare for GW2, which while the story was great, it was left incomplete in that regard, sadly. :(

[Anne.Sullivan]

Originally posted by messanoir:

Originally posted by vera.boneva77:

The Afflicted are also in beyond, you sweet summer child. Specially in Winds of change the beginning of it. They should be there, but at that point the writers and lore master were gone daddy gone.

OK, thanks for stating what a lot of us already know, and is fairly common and easy to find knowledge. No-one is denying the existence or where/how you encounter the Afllicted.

Care to respond to any of the other questions/topic presented to you, or just gonna keep posting random info we could all google in a few seconds? :)

Edit: Did want to add, for sake of discussion, that the Afflicted are an interesting enemy, akin to Zhaitans Undead. I mean, they're neat, and the idea that they were created through being associated with Shiro is neat, but all that really happens Lore wise in Beyond is discussing how to end their threat, and then trying to setup and close out the story to prepare for GW2, which while the story was great, it was left incomplete in that regard, sadly. :(

The Afflicted aren't zombies. Their human mutants. (and some cows and few tigers at the start of factions lol.) They drop mutated flesh, and even Mhenlo calls them both twisted in body and soul. But the fact that you said their only in Factions proves my point that CCG will not make money.

[messanoir]

Originally posted by vera.boneva77:

Originally posted by messanoir:

OK, thanks for stating what a lot of us already know, and is fairly common and easy to find knowledge. No-one is denying the existence or where/how you encounter the Afllicted.

Care to respond to any of the other questions/topic presented to you, or just gonna keep posting random info we could all google in a few seconds? :)

Edit: Did want to add, for sake of discussion, that the Afflicted are an interesting enemy, akin to Zhaitans Undead. I mean, they're neat, and the idea that they were created through being associated with Shiro is neat, but all that really happens Lore wise in Beyond is discussing how to end their threat, and then trying to setup and close out the story to prepare for GW2, which while the story was great, it was left incomplete in that regard, sadly. :(

The Afflicted aren't zombies. Their human mutants. (and some cows and few tigers at the start of factions lol.) They drop mutated flesh, and even Mhenlo calls them both twisted in body and soul. But the fact that you said their only in Factions proves my point that CCG will not make money.

Yes, true, and my generalization was a bit vague,I more mena that they are created in a simnilar fashion, that being that they were the result of being near to the source, the Afflicted being changed/created by Shiro's presence, and the zombies/undead, being the result of being near or in the wake of Zhaitan.

There is much more lore to draw of of than the Afflicted and factions, there are still Prophecies, Nightfall, Eye of the North, etc, and then the books and Guild Wars 2. There is a ton of lore and story to make a game from.

As for whether or not the game makes money, well first, it doesn't exist, it's just a bunch of placeholder and test files, the kind used when an idea is just being considered, and they want to make sure that they are able to test ideas as they toss them around.

For me at least, the thing that will determine if I play a game seriously, or casually, (regarding card games, of course) is the mechanics of the game. Story and lore are great, but in card games, the rules and actually game play mechanics are whats gonna sell it.

Would I buy the game just for it's story and lore ant the fact its part of the Guild wars series, most likely,if the price is ok, but I'm a fan of the games and ArenaNet, so that's just me.

[Stockwerk 13]

what makes u think Hearthstone is bigger than Magic?

[messanoir]

Originally posted by Stockwerk 13:

what makes u think Hearthstone is bigger than Magic?

Exactly. :) Still waiting for OP or one of their Alts to answer or show sources for claims...oh well...and if we are talking CCG/TCGs, where was Pokemon, not exactly a small franchise lol

[[RvB] RedArmyGrif]

Originally posted by vera.boneva77:

you can make the Afflicted expansion for the CCG,

Why would it JUST be Afflicted? You could make an entire Foes of Cantha expansion and include not just the Afflicted but also:

• The Am Fah
  
• OG Jade Brotherhood
  
• The Sickened creatures/people from the beginning of Factions
  
• The Shiro'ken (with special cards denoting bosses at Tahnnakai Temple?)
  
• Potentially foes from Echovald/The Jade Sea (they could be an expac all on their own)
  
• Ministry of Purity
  
• and of course a few cards for Shiro himself.

Price it reasonably, and you got your draw.