Next expansion or something ?

[Nemmie3]

I was wondering if they are going to release more PVE content for SoD, i mean the game lacks the end game content after you do all the strikes there is nothing left to do ?

[Teratus]

Originally posted by ah_puch:

Even the main "expansion feature" didn't come with the expansion. Weaponmaster training is being drip fed for no other reason than filling up patch notes to cover up otherwise completely empty updates. Even that has been taken away from new players:

You mean the new class weapons.

Weapon Master Training was the feature that unlocked all previous Elite Spec Weapons across the core classes.
That was in the expansion from day 1, but you still had to do a little work to get it.

I dunno if it's say the new weapons were the main feature though, definitely a big one but SoTO had quite a few big features overall.
New class weapons.
Weaponmaster Training.
Wizards Vault System.
New Legendary Armour + the first PvE acquisition method.
Relic System + Legenday Relic.
New Skyscale acquisition method..

Don't think im missing any but those were all main features for the last expansion.
Some less relevant than others naturally, depending on the player.
Like the Skyscale didn't mean much for those of us who had one already but for players who didn't have it, that was a big deal for them.

Same goes for Legenday Armour, not a big deal for people who already have a set from raids or the competitive modes but for players who want a set but don't like those game modes, it's something they're looking forward to.

[ah_puch]

I dunno if it's say the new weapons were the main feature though, definitely a big one but SoTO had quite a few big features overall.

What's SoTo's main feature then?

New class weapons.
Weaponmaster Training.

Those are the same thing. Why make two bullets for them unless you were trying to fill up a "feature list"?

There is no new class weapons. Those are old weapons unlocked for certain classes. Even that was half baked. You can't use any weapon with any class. Imagine such a limited game design in 2023.

Wizards Vault System.

You mean the "big secret" regarding the castle in the sky was just a shop? Which is inferior to the old, simple daily system.

New Legendary Armour + the first PvE acquisition method.

You couldn't unlock legendaries in PVE before?

Relic System + Legenday Relic.

Which is inferior to the old system in every which way. Also took away cool gear sets that summoned golem, dogs, parrot etc. There has been many threads on relics with thousands of replies. An overwhelming majority (95%) of people said this new system is a disgrace. Not sure why even talk about this as a "feature".

New Skyscale acquisition method..

You mean their supposed panic answer after seeing how successful WoW's Dragonflight turned out but they were 10 months late. Tons of people who didn't have skyscales and didn't want the grind moved on to WoW at that time.

How is SoTo's new business model working out for you? Isn't it quite funny the entire 2023 you got 30 minute content in SoTo and 15 minute content 3 months later? I'm sure you must be eagerly awaiting the next portion of the drip feed sometime in March/April for another 15 minute chapter.

[ah_puch]

Game is now exactly at the same point as it was 3 years ago with IBS Champions. Drip fed and low quality updates that keep getting weaker and shorter each time. Difference now is you paid $25 for this year's IBS Champions and there is no "EoD" to look forward to next February. It will be another 15 minute update in March/April just so they can call it "We released content for the whole year!" when in reality, there is no reason to release 15 minute content in 3-4 month intervals. It's a curious case how people wait around for 3-4 more months with nothing to do? Just replay old contents? Make your own content? Maintenance mode sure ain't pretty. More and more people are waking up to the fact.

Are they working on some other projects? It feels like maintenance mode all over again.

It feels like so

No it isn't in maintenance mode. But we know for certain we will never get a big content update ever again, so you either accept this or you quit now to save yourself the pain.

Don't think so, however certainly the assigned workforce seems not to be enough. Thay said, it is fsr from maintenance mode, more like low budget asset exploitation imo.

I don't mind them pumping more games as long as they don't neglect gw2 as much as they used to. We are nowhere near that yet but it doesn't look good either.

I wouldn't say it doesn't have its boons though :) It's almost poetic justice to witness the "game is so alive!" people getting bored out of their minds waiting 3-4 months with NOTHING to do. Then years later realize how much time, money and potential they have wasted on a dead game.

[LSD]

Originally posted by ah_puch:

I dunno if it's say the new weapons were the main feature though, definitely a big one but SoTO had quite a few big features overall.

What's SoTo's main feature then?

New class weapons.
Weaponmaster Training.

Those are the same thing. Why make two bullets for them unless you were trying to fill up a "feature list"?

There is no new class weapons. Those are old weapons unlocked for certain classes. Even that was half baked. You can't use any weapon with any class. Imagine such a limited game design in 2023.

Wizards Vault System.

You mean the "big secret" regarding the castle in the sky was just a shop? Which is inferior to the old, simple daily system.

New Legendary Armour + the first PvE acquisition method.

You couldn't unlock legendaries in PVE before?

Relic System + Legenday Relic.

Which is inferior to the old system in every which way. Also took away cool gear sets that summoned golem, dogs, parrot etc. There has been many threads on relics with thousands of replies. An overwhelming majority (95%) of people said this new system is a disgrace. Not sure why even talk about this as a "feature".

New Skyscale acquisition method..

You mean their supposed panic answer after seeing how successful WoW's Dragonflight turned out but they were 10 months late. Tons of people who didn't have skyscales and didn't want the grind moved on to WoW at that time.

How is SoTo's new business model working out for you? Isn't it quite funny the entire 2023 you got 30 minute content in SoTo and 15 minute content 3 months later? I'm sure you must be eagerly awaiting the next portion of the drip feed sometime in March/April for another 15 minute chapter.

The best thing is, it's not just SoTo: EoD was a godawful bag of tripe as well. That means for 2.5 years we've had crapspansions. And what did we have before that? 2.5 years of rushed, half finished IBS. And what did we have before that? Big promises that IBS would be a whole *saga*, competing with paid expansions, with all this and that and the other.
That means for over 5 years the game has been a joke.

What was EoD's main feature? The skiff? The clunky, poorly designed mount that ONLY has a use for the other main feature: fishing.
The turtle? Where do you see anyone use that besides Drizzlewood? Another clunky, poorly designed mount.
The dumb green robot (no, not the big one, the little one)? What does it do, revive you in open world PvE? Jesus.
All EoD brought was some more badly balanced "elite" specs and some maps with somehow *less* replayability than PoF's ones. Then instead of making up for it with ongoing patches or a LW release, they trickled out Gyala Delves, a map to be farmed for a year while they farted out SoTo.

It's beyond a joke at this point.

[Lapis Seraph , Glorius be]

Originally posted by LSD:

Originally posted by ah_puch:

What's SoTo's main feature then?



Those are the same thing. Why make two bullets for them unless you were trying to fill up a "feature list"?

There is no new class weapons. Those are old weapons unlocked for certain classes. Even that was half baked. You can't use any weapon with any class. Imagine such a limited game design in 2023.



You mean the "big secret" regarding the castle in the sky was just a shop? Which is inferior to the old, simple daily system.



You couldn't unlock legendaries in PVE before?



Which is inferior to the old system in every which way. Also took away cool gear sets that summoned golem, dogs, parrot etc. There has been many threads on relics with thousands of replies. An overwhelming majority (95%) of people said this new system is a disgrace. Not sure why even talk about this as a "feature".



You mean their supposed panic answer after seeing how successful WoW's Dragonflight turned out but they were 10 months late. Tons of people who didn't have skyscales and didn't want the grind moved on to WoW at that time.

How is SoTo's new business model working out for you? Isn't it quite funny the entire 2023 you got 30 minute content in SoTo and 15 minute content 3 months later? I'm sure you must be eagerly awaiting the next portion of the drip feed sometime in March/April for another 15 minute chapter.

The best thing is, it's not just SoTo: EoD was a godawful bag of tripe as well. That means for 2.5 years we've had crapspansions. And what did we have before that? 2.5 years of rushed, half finished IBS. And what did we have before that? Big promises that IBS would be a whole *saga*, competing with paid expansions, with all this and that and the other.
That means for over 5 years the game has been a joke.

What was EoD's main feature? The skiff? The clunky, poorly designed mount that ONLY has a use for the other main feature: fishing.
The turtle? Where do you see anyone use that besides Drizzlewood? Another clunky, poorly designed mount.
The dumb green robot (no, not the big one, the little one)? What does it do, revive you in open world PvE? Jesus.
All EoD brought was some more badly balanced "elite" specs and some maps with somehow *less* replayability than PoF's ones. Then instead of making up for it with ongoing patches or a LW release, they trickled out Gyala Delves, a map to be farmed for a year while they farted out SoTo.

It's beyond a joke at this point.

[𝒞𝒶𝓉𝓎𝒶♡]

You guys been just repeating the same messages for like days.. or months tbh?

Like why? It will not even have any effect on anything.

Edit to clarify, since i know some here have troubles of comprehending even the most simplest of facts:

The "ESOfam" gang repeating their biased opinions, day after day, are just that, their opinions. That are subjective to their own personal taste, and situation in life (like having nothing happening, so trolling mmo forums all days seem like a good way to spend the limited moments of life lmao).

You guys do understand, that your messages are nothing more than: "Stop enjoying the game i do not enjoy, and plz play MY game because i am a tribalistic one game andy!" and "Arenanet ruined my life because they did not build the game just for ME (the center of the universe) and my taste, but for hundreds of thousands of other people too!" so "Mom, can you make Anet make game just for me please, i did not like something in iiiiiiit.." Posters tears mixing up with sweat while typing another message and thinking what to end it with, maybe something about Maplestory again, it's a classic after all. Nothing original in months. Embarrassing. :)

I have enjoyed all of the expansions GW2 has, SotO been a blast for me also. ^^ You guys can repeat your opinions for days, months, years. Nothing will change my enjoyment. I just played all night again, from midnight to 10am, and had fun. =)

How was ESO? Probably exciting since you don't talk about that, but spend effort writing about GW2 again. It almost sounds like you talk about your ex or something. :D

[ah_puch]

The best thing is, it's not just SoTo: EoD was a godawful bag of tripe as well. That means for 2.5 years we've had crapspansions. And what did we have before that? 2.5 years of rushed, half finished IBS. And what did we have before that? Big promises that IBS would be a whole *saga*, competing with paid expansions, with all this and that and the other.
That means for over 5 years the game has been a joke.

What was EoD's main feature? The skiff? The clunky, poorly designed mount that ONLY has a use for the other main feature: fishing.
The turtle? Where do you see anyone use that besides Drizzlewood? Another clunky, poorly designed mount.
The dumb green robot (no, not the big one, the little one)? What does it do, revive you in open world PvE? Jesus.
All EoD brought was some more badly balanced "elite" specs and some maps with somehow *less* replayability than PoF's ones. Then instead of making up for it with ongoing patches or a LW release, they trickled out Gyala Delves, a map to be farmed for a year while they farted out SoTo.

It's beyond a joke at this point.

So far, everything we've ever predicted months in advance came true one by one. EoD was a massive failure, predicted in 2021 after their reveal with fishing and skiffs as "expansion features". It flopped, bad.

Steam launch was a massive failure, fans on reddit hyped it up to the point they genuinely believed they will have at least 100k peak because "so many people are playing!" only to be crushed when reality hit with 8k lifetime peak, exposing how small and unpopular the game really is.

SoTo was a massive failure. Selling a small dlc, smaller than the free IBS season for $25 with no expansion features paid off poorly. The studio went through more layoffs and a whole new business model (they are only now realizing it's also failing, earning reports are always getting lower) since they decided to make the "big change" at the end of IBS. None of them paid out. They are now gasping for air, adding more p2w items to get cash.

SoTo is just icing on the cake. EoD with content droughts in 2021 then content droughts all the way to February 2023 (unironically, a lot of people got dropped with February 2023 layoffs as well) Gyala Delves - voted the worst pve map in game's history - to SoTo which has less content than even IBS and people are forced to bathe in another set of content droughts. All they got since August was an abysmal update finished in 15 minutes. Can't imagine how fun it must be to wait for 3 months for the last part of the tiny update.

[LSD]

The way GW2 white knights hype things up is always hilarious. I remember people calling the skiff an "experience", and how it'd revolutionise the game, and that there'd be no need for player housing (hahahahahaha) because the skiff will be all that and more.
The skiff! Literally one look at the trailer they put out before EoD and you can see it's a poorly cobbled together concept, design and execution. It's terrible! And when do you ever see them? You see people AFK fishing by themselves every now and then.
Revolutionary!
hahahahahahahaha

[Teratus]

Originally posted by ah_puch:

What's SoTo's main feature then?

I literally give you a list of them in the post you responded to.
You even mention it in your next "point" lol

Those are the same thing. Why make two bullets for them unless you were trying to fill up a "feature list"?

Because they're not the same thing, they're two completely different features.
One gives you new weapons the class never had access to.
One unlocks old weapons you couldn't previously access without equipping an Elite Spec.

They're not the same thing.

There is no new class weapons. Those are old weapons unlocked for certain classes. Even that was half baked. You can't use any weapon with any class. Imagine such a limited game design in 2023.

Weapons the class has never had access too.
New skills the class never had access too.
Some New and Tons of Old Skins the class never had access too.
New build/playstyle viability the class either never had access to or lacked in.

These new class weapons are literally doing a good chunk of what Elite Specs were created for.
The only difference is that you're not getting a new trait line nor are the weapons tied to any major mechanical changes to how your class functions.

In some regards that's even better than getting an elite spec since some specs, or more specifically some of the major changes those specs do to the classes are not very well liked overall.

Case in point, Mesmer's Mirage Spec which almost nobody plays these days, and I think is one of the least used Specs in the whole game atm, across every single game mode.

You mean the "big secret" regarding the castle in the sky was just a shop? Which is inferior to the old, simple daily system.

Have you even played SoTO cause it sounds like you know nothing about it tbh.
There is tons of lore and details in the Wizards Tower for those older players who've been dreaming of exploring it since the Gw1 days.

Then again you are one of those meta type players so I guess you could care less about anything besides what Relic worked best for whatever build you copied from the internet.
I doubt you care at all about the game lore, story or anything else besides rushing through group content as fast as possible.. basically everything that makes RPG's, well RPG's lol.

And the Vault is vastly superior to the old daily system, especially for people who actually play the game every day.
2G per day on the old system, oh and 10 AP if you haven't maxed it already.. which most of us did years ago.

1G per day on the Vault system + 65 Astral Acclaim to spend on whatever you want.
Plus Weeklies are back, another 1305 Astral Acclaim a week, to spend on whatever you want.
And then more Astral Acclaim from the occasional special objectives when they come up.

It's far more rewarding for active players than the old system was, and provides them with a lot more freedom of choice in what they want.

No more mediocre stuff they don't need being forced on them from daily login rewards, like Tomes of Knowledge, Transmutation Charges and most of the stuff we got from Black Lion Goods Chests.

Now we can choose what we want every single day, or save our Acclaim for a much better reward later.

You couldn't unlock legendaries in PVE before?

Open world PvE specifically and no, technically you cannot get any legendaries at all by playing PvE alone, thanks to the essential Gift of Battle item which is exclusively obtainable in WvW.

Most people overlook that though since the bulk of the Legendary is obtainable in PvE.
Those are:
All the Legendary Weapons.
2 Accessories.
Runes and Sigils.
And since 2021 an Amulet have been obtainable by playing open world PvE.
And next year's February the Legendary Relic as well.

The 2 Legendary Rings are locked behind WvW and Raids.
The original Legendary Amulet is locked behind PvP.
All Legendary Armour sets are locked behind Raids, PvP and WvW
All Legendary Backpacks are locked behind WvW, PvP and High Tier Fractals.

So even now with PvE getting an open world set of Legendary Armour, it is still impossible to gain a complete setup of Legendaries without being forced to play specific group or competitive game modes that most of the playerbase doesn't enjoy.

And to this day players are still forced into playing some amount of WvW to make any legendary items.
Though thankfully they have made this a bit easier in recent years and made reward tracks easier to complete.

Which is inferior to the old system in every which way. Also took away cool gear sets that summoned golem, dogs, parrot etc. There has been many threads on relics with thousands of replies. An overwhelming majority (95%) of people said this new system is a disgrace. Not sure why even talk about this as a "feature".

Highly debatable.
Some like the system, some dislike it, and it's definitely more varied and even than 95% of players hate it.
By all means source that statistic if you genuinely believe it and can prove it.

A great deal of people in favour of it have been very talkative around the disappointing variety of abilities currently available as well and have constantly been informing the angry players about the situation.
Those currently missing abilities WILL be coming back at some point in some form, and yes it sucks that some favourite ones are gone, a good few I liked are gone too.

But overall it's better having more freedom to choose stats and abilities separately.
Certainly better than being forced to take a crap stat set for a great ability, or a crap ability bundled into a great stat set.
It's just not been implemented as good as it could have been.
Currently the Relic availability is messy, I definitely won't argue against that.

But the Legendary will be a highly desirable item because of it, so it won't matter for long.
I won't be surprised if most players end up going after it, I certainly will be.

You mean their supposed panic answer after seeing how successful WoW's Dragonflight turned out but they were 10 months late. Tons of people who didn't have skyscales and didn't want the grind moved on to WoW at that time.

Please, Wow's Dragonflight is a blatant ripoff of Gw2's Skyscale XD
And even now WoW is still loosing players and has been for years.
WoW classic still has a more active playerbase than normal WoW does, Dragonflight did nothing to help that game.

Also according to MMO Population too, Both WoW and Gw2 have the same activity score as well despite WoW having over 5 times the max player count.
And your favourite, ESO is lower than both of them, having an even smaller active playerbase than Gw2 despite a slightly bigger total playercount.

So by all means keep thinking Gw2 is dead and nobody plays it if you want too.. because if you were right about that, it means WoW is also dead and ESO is already decomposing in the ground lol.

How is SoTo's new business model working out for you? Isn't it quite funny the entire 2023 you got 30 minute content in SoTo and 15 minute content 3 months later? I'm sure you must be eagerly awaiting the next portion of the drip feed sometime in March/April for another 15 minute chapter.

Maybe you only got 30 minutes of content because you blitzed through ignoring everything and skipping as much as possible so you could get to the new strike missions or something..

I've easily gotten about 100 hours out of casually playing the expansion content so far since I actually play the game as a MMORPG and not as.. I dunno, League of Legends or Fortnite something..
I enjoy the RPG experience, I don't skip it or rush through it hoping something better is at the end.. and I pity people who do and genuinely wonder why they even bother playing MMO's in the first place since they clearly don't seem to actually like the genre.

And yes I am eagerly looking forward to the next content patch, which is in February 27th btw, not March/April.
Because aside from new story and a map extention, im getting both my new weapons and the Legendary Relic, so i'll have plenty to do and goals to keep me busy for a while, more so if I decide to persue a Legendary Armour set which atm I am about 50/50 on due to the cost of them not really being worth the convenience they would give me.
I'll probably get them passively over a long period of time, but we'll see.

[ah_puch]

The skiff! Literally one look at the trailer they put out before EoD and you can see it's a poorly cobbled together concept, design and execution. It's terrible!

Lol I remember that trailer. It was embarrassing to say the least.

And when do you ever see them? You see people AFK fishing by themselves every now and then.
Revolutionary!

Also they got abandoned fast, just like Cantha. In retrospect, EoD did a lot of damage to the game without adding anything positive. GW fans returned to GW1 after seeing how they butchered Cantha in GW2. No wonder the game abandoned Cantha fast.

[snickii]

Thanks Lelu for all your comments, I was reading all Sites and you're right with every single Point.

[Elvis]

stop bumping threads, troll, you are even quoting random comments. Moderation??? hello? 7 posts in two pages

[𝒞𝒶𝓉𝓎𝒶♡]

Originally posted by !sn1ckii! 🌞:

Thanks Lelu for all your comments, I was reading all Sites and you're right with every single Point.

Hih thanks!

Buuut, i think it's mostly the knowledgeable gigachad guys here who post usually all the source links, facts and make good points. :) I personally give them all the credit for all the based posts, often clearly with effort put in them. And enjoy reading them. It's nice to read stuff, from and when people know what they are talking about.

I just am the sassy stepsister type of comment artist, sort of annoying when on different camps, but lovable when on the same "side" of the argument. :P Or so i've heard from gaming friends during years haha.

But good feedback is always nice to get, so i wish you have a great week and enjoy the games you play!

[ah_puch]

Looks like "next expansion" isn't even needed anymore since SoTo flopped very badly. More and more players are speaking up:

Given the snail pace of this expansion, and the fact that weapon skills weren't even remotely close to being finished when they announced them, and the fact that we haven't realistically gotten any new content outside of a couple zones... I'm not looking forward to it. I actually really liked the LWS releases in between expansions, I feel like they fleshed out that expansion nicely post-main story. This new cycle just feels very unrewarding and I can't justify spending full expansion price in the future for basically unreleased/unfinished content. I feel like we're definitely seeing the results of those big layoffs a few years back, coupled with the 30-something layoffs at the beginning of this year.

[LSD]

Even on the official forum, and even back with EoD, the consensus has been that the expacs are not good at all. Overwhelmingly more "like" reactions than "confused" for topics criticising the expansions on the official forums, and bear in mind that the official forums are notorious for for defending the game through just about anything.

Each expansion has genuinely brought less to the game than the last, and i think whatever comes after SotO will be utterly dire based on that pattern.

But hey, only 2 more weeks to find out what kind of dripfeeding will be dribbled out next!