I thought GW2 was a dead game?

[Peanut!!!!]

Why release it on steam after so long?

[Tiberius]

Originally posted by steelwork:

Originally posted by Tiberius:

even renegade is viable now. Clowns like to complain abt build diversity, when they actually just need some l2p lessons

in pvp. but in pve any build can do. as for WvW, you don't even need a build. just follow the zerg and take some AOE spells/stab.

yes, even renegade is viable in pvp now. Before the major damage nerf, tell me when renegade was viable. During its entire existence, it used to have no place in pve, pvp, and wvw.

Like i said, clowns like to complain. In fact, many of the awful past balance updates happened because anet listened to clowns

[Shurpy]

Game is dead if you want to play the PvP side of it PvE side is fine

[Powerinpink]

Originally posted by Shurpy:

Game is dead if you want to play the PvP side of it PvE side is fine

Yea for people who love story and collect mounts and fashion

[Tiberius]

or ppl could just go to twitch and see how the pvp and the que time is in gw2 currently.

but nevertheless, you could also go to wow or ff14 and get some top notch pvp action there

buncha fckin clowns

[Angoril]

Originally posted by Tiberius:

yes, even renegade is viable in pvp now. Before the major damage nerf, tell me when renegade was viable. During its entire existence, it used to have no place in pve, pvp, and wvw.

Like i said, clowns like to complain. In fact, many of the awful past balance updates happened because anet listened to clowns

I don't think you understand the meaning of the word viable nor you know as much about the game as you like to pretend either. Renegade has always been viable, especially in pve. Has been meta for 2-3 years now as well with the alacrity and the condi builds. When it comes to pvp it may not had been part of meta but if you think those are the only viable things in the game, you have a lot of learning to do.

And no, the awful pvp balance is all down to ArenaNet not being willing to fix their ♥♥♥♥ when they overtune them. "Oh no, we made X elite spec stupidly OP again? Oh well, you have to wait 4 months before we attempt to fix it, sucks to be you!". It took them almost a year to fix mesmer when in their infinite wisdom they gave the damage of a glass build to a tank. And now that awful balance is still around with Scourge being the typical "I make everything around me implode while chilling at 130% health".

[Tiberius]

Originally posted by Angoril:

Originally posted by Tiberius:

yes, even renegade is viable in pvp now. Before the major damage nerf, tell me when renegade was viable. During its entire existence, it used to have no place in pve, pvp, and wvw.

Like i said, clowns like to complain. In fact, many of the awful past balance updates happened because anet listened to clowns

I don't think you understand the meaning of the word viable nor you know as much about the game as you like to pretend either. Renegade has always been viable, especially in pve. Has been meta for 2-3 years now as well with the alacrity and the condi builds. When it comes to pvp it may not had been part of meta but if you think those are the only viable things in the game, you have a lot of learning to do.

And no, the awful pvp balance is all down to ArenaNet not being willing to fix their ♥♥♥♥ when they overtune them. "Oh no, we made X elite spec stupidly OP again? Oh well, you have to wait 4 months before we attempt to fix it, sucks to be you!". It took them almost a year to fix mesmer when in their infinite wisdom they gave the damage of a glass build to a tank. And now that awful balance is still around with Scourge being the typical "I make everything around me implode while chilling at 130% health".

see... this is the part where clowns always misunderstand. There will always be META and OFF META build. PLAY EVERY SINGLE PVP GAME OUT THERE and you will find the same pattern too. Just because something is not meta, it doesnt mean it's not viable.

Pls direct me where renegade was viable in pvp before the big patch from feb last year.

the irony is scourge is getting heavy nerf the next patch. If ppl actually look at the feedback on current scourge, you'll find so many awful feedbacks that will affect necro as a whole instead of the overperforming build.

and mirage? lol. After the endurance nerf, there were a fck ton of players crying for buff, YET look at where mirage now.

At least ever since CMC took over, the problem of hearing ♥♥♥♥♥♥ QQ feedback is much less than before.

Stay being clown, peeps

[Tiberius]

If ppl need more clown in action, ppl should just go to thief forum and look at the feedback on the new guardian spec. Crying abt the new guard mobility, but also ignoring that the movement skill dont have a way to disengage (unlike thief) and it lose many of its teamfight capability (especially aegis).

But yea we all should QQ first lmfao

[Angoril]

Originally posted by Tiberius:

see... this is the part where clowns always misunderstand. There will always be META and OFF META build. PLAY EVERY SINGLE PVP GAME OUT THERE and you will find the same pattern too. Just because something is not meta, it doesnt mean it's not viable.

Pls direct me where renegade was viable in pvp before the big patch from feb last year.

the irony is scourge is getting heavy nerf the next patch. If ppl actually look at the feedback on current scourge, you'll find so many awful feedbacks that will affect necro as a whole instead of the overperforming build.

and mirage? lol. After the endurance nerf, there were a fck ton of players crying for buff, YET look at where mirage now.

At least ever since CMC took over, the problem of hearing ♥♥♥♥♥♥ QQ feedback is much less than before.

Stay being clown, peeps

And you continue showing how much you don't get. I never said something not being meta isn't viable, you did. You said renegade wasn't viable anywhere while it most certainly is a lie and anyone that has been playing Fractals, Raids or a renegade for a while now would be able to tell you.

If your only source of viability is metabattle and other similar sites, you are nothing but a meta slave. Nothing wrong with that, embrace it but unless you experiment and have a general understanding of how a class works, you can't really talk. Viable isn't something only if it can make it to the top. Renegade as I said, wasn't top meta build but it was viable. People mostly play meta though and Herald was meta.

Never said anything about mirage, was referring to chronomancer. Mirage never was good bunker, it had a couple annoying things but that was about it. Mirage is perfectly fine now, there's nothing wrong with it.

I know that scourge gets nerfed and it was about freakin time but as I said, we still had to wait forever until they decided to fix their ♥♥♥♥. You keep blaming people feedback though and while I don't really care how much you wanna shill for ArenaNet, I will remind you that people have been asking for holosmith nerfs for years now and ArenaNet has driven core engineer to the ground. They don't listen to feedback, good or bad, they just pretend they know better and the results are visible with every patch.

[Tiberius]

Originally posted by Angoril:

Originally posted by Tiberius:

see... this is the part where clowns always misunderstand. There will always be META and OFF META build. PLAY EVERY SINGLE PVP GAME OUT THERE and you will find the same pattern too. Just because something is not meta, it doesnt mean it's not viable.

Pls direct me where renegade was viable in pvp before the big patch from feb last year.

the irony is scourge is getting heavy nerf the next patch. If ppl actually look at the feedback on current scourge, you'll find so many awful feedbacks that will affect necro as a whole instead of the overperforming build.

and mirage? lol. After the endurance nerf, there were a fck ton of players crying for buff, YET look at where mirage now.

At least ever since CMC took over, the problem of hearing ♥♥♥♥♥♥ QQ feedback is much less than before.

Stay being clown, peeps

And you continue showing how much you don't get. I never said something not being meta isn't viable, you did. You said renegade wasn't viable anywhere while it most certainly is a lie and anyone that has been playing Fractals, Raids or a renegade for a while now would be able to tell you.

If your only source of viability is metabattle and other similar sites, you are nothing but a meta slave. Nothing wrong with that, embrace it but unless you experiment and have a general understanding of how a class works, you can't really talk. Viable isn't something only if it can make it to the top. Renegade as I said, wasn't top meta build but it was viable. People mostly play meta though and Herald was meta.

Never said anything about mirage, was referring to chronomancer. Mirage never was good bunker, it had a couple annoying things but that was about it. Mirage is perfectly fine now, there's nothing wrong with it.

I know that scourge gets nerfed and it was about freakin time but as I said, we still had to wait forever until they decided to fix their ♥♥♥♥. You keep blaming people feedback though and while I don't really care how much you wanna shill for ArenaNet, I will remind you that people have been asking for holosmith nerfs for years now and ArenaNet has driven core engineer to the ground. They don't listen to feedback, good or bad, they just pretend they know better and the results are visible with every patch.

look.. i'm not sure if you actually follow the conversation. Some clowns were complaining abt the current build diversity. Whatever the balance was before, now is still better than the entire HoT and PoF (before february 2020 updates) balance. There's much less instacast burst (that leave no window for counterplay), there's less invulnerability/evade chain (one of the worst offender from bunker meta), there's less perma passive modifier and damage mitigation (hello perma protect/weakness ranger).

[Tiberius]

yes anet has its own share of problem, but releasing patch quickly is useless if the patch (which is usually just community feedback) is awful. It has happened so many times that the next patch was just a bandaid for the mistakes they made in prev patch

[Angoril]

Originally posted by Tiberius:

look.. i'm not sure if you actually follow the conversation. Some clowns were complaining abt the current build diversity. Whatever the balance was before, now is still better than the entire HoT and PoF (before february 2020 updates) balance. There's much less instacast burst (that leave no window for counterplay), there's less invulnerability/evade chain (one of the worst offender from bunker meta), there's less perma passive modifier and damage mitigation (hello perma protect/weakness ranger).

I did read what has been said. As I have said previously in those forums, I run my own builds everywhere so I find comments about bad build diversity to be weird. If ones only focus is maximum damage then yes, the build diversity is horrible but, there are more things than just that, especially in pvp/wvw.

Where I quoted you was the renegade bit. I started playing my renegade (haven't touched it for about a year now) 4-5 months after PoF released and it already had meta builds at the beginning/mid of LS4 (can't remember exactly when the first meta build for pve showed up). The big damage nerf you mentioned was a lot more recent and while it did make renegade meta for pvp, there was more you said in that bit. Not sure how you missed the renegades, especially the alacrity variant given the whole Alacrigade / quickness firebrand vs chronomancer / druid argument but if you search for it, you'll find it. The condi dps variant came even earlier than that but, can't remember when exactly.

Originally posted by Tiberius:

yes anet has its own share of problem, but releasing patch quickly is useless if the patch (which is usually just community feedback) is awful. It has happened so many times that the next patch was just a bandaid for the mistakes they made in prev patch

Proper balance takes a while, that much I know. But when something is obviously overperforming, they could have some targeted changes to bring it closer to the rest the weeks following a balance patch instead of waiting for months to do it.

[Zoopy]

Yo, folks. These arguments are getting a bit heated and long. GW2 is a kinda ♥♥♥♥ game. It's not worth this much effort. Arenanet have always been a bunch of incompetent buffoons.

[steelwork]

Originally posted by Tiberius:

Originally posted by Angoril:

I don't think you understand the meaning of the word viable nor you know as much about the game as you like to pretend either. Renegade has always been viable, especially in pve. Has been meta for 2-3 years now as well with the alacrity and the condi builds. When it comes to pvp it may not had been part of meta but if you think those are the only viable things in the game, you have a lot of learning to do.

And no, the awful pvp balance is all down to ArenaNet not being willing to fix their ♥♥♥♥ when they overtune them. "Oh no, we made X elite spec stupidly OP again? Oh well, you have to wait 4 months before we attempt to fix it, sucks to be you!". It took them almost a year to fix mesmer when in their infinite wisdom they gave the damage of a glass build to a tank. And now that awful balance is still around with Scourge being the typical "I make everything around me implode while chilling at 130% health".

see... this is the part where clowns always misunderstand. There will always be META and OFF META build. PLAY EVERY SINGLE PVP GAME OUT THERE and you will find the same pattern too. Just because something is not meta, it doesnt mean it's not viable.

Pls direct me where renegade was viable in pvp before the big patch from feb last year.

the irony is scourge is getting heavy nerf the next patch. If ppl actually look at the feedback on current scourge, you'll find so many awful feedbacks that will affect necro as a whole instead of the overperforming build.

and mirage? lol. After the endurance nerf, there were a fck ton of players crying for buff, YET look at where mirage now.

At least ever since CMC took over, the problem of hearing ♥♥♥♥♥♥ QQ feedback is much less than before.

Stay being clown, peeps

you are the clown here.

[Greyfire]

This game has something like 800k logins a day.

[Angoril]

Originally posted by Greyfire:

This game has something like 800k logins a day.

Originally posted by Angoril:

Except nobody but ArenaNet and NCSoft actually know that. Developers and publishers haven't released active playerbase numbers in many years now so the sites that exist and show numbers are pulling them out of thin air. They aren't trustworthy in the slightest./quote]