I thought GW2 was a dead game?

[Peanut!!!!]

Why release it on steam after so long?

[Tiberius]

Nvm i misread someone else comment

[Matthew]

Angoril a écrit :

Savathun's Onlyfans/LoliNoxTan a écrit :

You're coming at this from a logical point of view. You need to stop that & think how the higher ups who only care about big numbers think. You'll stop caring so much when you realise the people at the top are idiots

Take a break about caring about the release quality till EoD. If it's crap then fair enough, the game is closer to being done for. Until then I will still be recommending new people to the game as it's an amazing till you catch up, at which point is just ok

You may have a point with the way I look at the "stats" and I do know that many companies have people in charge that have absolutely nothing to do with games.

I am taking a break from the game at the moment as I let implied above but that doesn't mean I consider the game to be not worth it. I still find the latest releases to be fairly bad but for a new player it's gonna be some time before they reach those or have to play them due to them not having much else to do.

I wanna jump in and say, I agree to a degree that people should just play a different MMORPG if GW2 is being that bad for them (though granted you mentioned you still like the game generally). But I've said this before, I'll say it again, only casual players should consider GW2. Because yeah, the lack of content shows.

And by casual I mean just people who can't make great use of a monthly subscription fee by playing a lot every day. I also do think the cash-shop could be so much better. Like better gold to gems ratio. Also maybe certain "quests" to get account upgrades like bank or character slots would be really cool. Like the achievements you have to do for the legendary weapons.

I have about 700 hours into the game. Only 1 character. Still have to do full map completion, and all the story-content past the personal story. Then after that, I'm sure the drought of content to do will start there. I also do want to at least have a level 80 character for each class. And to get Perfected Envoy Armor. Which means dabbling into Raids.

Uh, anyways, I'm not going to say if GW2 is bad or good. But rather IMO more accurately, it's for a very specific type of player.

[LoliNoxTan]

Matthew a écrit :

Angoril a écrit :

You may have a point with the way I look at the "stats" and I do know that many companies have people in charge that have absolutely nothing to do with games.

I am taking a break from the game at the moment as I let implied above but that doesn't mean I consider the game to be not worth it. I still find the latest releases to be fairly bad but for a new player it's gonna be some time before they reach those or have to play them due to them not having much else to do.

I wanna jump in and say, I agree to a degree that people should just play a different MMORPG if GW2 is being that bad for them (though granted you mentioned you still like the game generally). But I've said this before, I'll say it again, only casual players should consider GW2. Because yeah, the lack of content shows.

And by casual I mean just people who can't make great use of a monthly subscription fee by playing a lot every day. I also do think the cash-shop could be so much better. Like better gold to gems ratio. Also maybe certain "quests" to get account upgrades like bank or character slots would be really cool. Like the achievements you have to do for the legendary weapons.

I have about 700 hours into the game. Only 1 character. Still have to do full map completion, and all the story-content past the personal story. Then after that, I'm sure the drought of content to do will start there. I also do want to at least have a level 80 character for each class. And to get Perfected Envoy Armor. Which means dabbling into Raids.

Uh, anyways, I'm not going to say if GW2 is bad or good. But rather IMO more accurately, it's for a very specific type of player.

^^^ This ^^^

Sure GW2 might not be a life game for most people but it's sure as hell worth playing

[Angoril]

Matthew a écrit :

I wanna jump in and say, I agree to a degree that people should just play a different MMORPG if GW2 is being that bad for them (though granted you mentioned you still like the game generally). But I've said this before, I'll say it again, only casual players should consider GW2. Because yeah, the lack of content shows.

And by casual I mean just people who can't make great use of a monthly subscription fee by playing a lot every day. I also do think the cash-shop could be so much better. Like better gold to gems ratio. Also maybe certain "quests" to get account upgrades like bank or character slots would be really cool. Like the achievements you have to do for the legendary weapons.

I have about 700 hours into the game. Only 1 character. Still have to do full map completion, and all the story-content past the personal story. Then after that, I'm sure the drought of content to do will start there. I also do want to at least have a level 80 character for each class. And to get Perfected Envoy Armor. Which means dabbling into Raids.

Uh, anyways, I'm not going to say if GW2 is bad or good. But rather IMO more accurately, it's for a very specific type of player.

I agree that GW2 should be approached in a casual manner and I have mentioned before that people who look for instanced group content should stay away from it. It may seem like I play it for a lot longer than what a casual player would but that's not the case. I may spend more time during a new release and the next couple days but generally, my daily playtime of GW2 (when I play it at least) rarely goes beyond 60-90 minutes. I have just played it for long so I had time to do a lot of things.

As a new player you shouldn't feel any content drought until your personal goals are completed. At that point, if you set no new ones or haven't got anything else you really want... things become grim. For me, that I have finished with what I wanted to do and legendary weapons or armors is something I avoid due to it being a massive grind for something I don't like the way they look, I look forward to new releases as it's something new to do, that I ain't sick and tired of doing already. Well... I will let you judge DRMs for yourself when you reach them. My opinion for them has been expressed previously.

The gem store has a lot more issues than the currency exchange rates but that's a different conversation entirely. It's designed for whales though so don't expect any changes to it.

[Matthew]

Angoril a écrit :

Matthew a écrit :

I wanna jump in and say, I agree to a degree that people should just play a different MMORPG if GW2 is being that bad for them (though granted you mentioned you still like the game generally). But I've said this before, I'll say it again, only casual players should consider GW2. Because yeah, the lack of content shows.

And by casual I mean just people who can't make great use of a monthly subscription fee by playing a lot every day. I also do think the cash-shop could be so much better. Like better gold to gems ratio. Also maybe certain "quests" to get account upgrades like bank or character slots would be really cool. Like the achievements you have to do for the legendary weapons.

I have about 700 hours into the game. Only 1 character. Still have to do full map completion, and all the story-content past the personal story. Then after that, I'm sure the drought of content to do will start there. I also do want to at least have a level 80 character for each class. And to get Perfected Envoy Armor. Which means dabbling into Raids.

Uh, anyways, I'm not going to say if GW2 is bad or good. But rather IMO more accurately, it's for a very specific type of player.

I agree that GW2 should be approached in a casual manner and I have mentioned before that people who look for instanced group content should stay away from it. It may seem like I play it for a lot longer than what a casual player would but that's not the case. I may spend more time during a new release and the next couple days but generally, my daily playtime of GW2 (when I play it at least) rarely goes beyond 60-90 minutes. I have just played it for long so I had time to do a lot of things.

As a new player you shouldn't feel any content drought until your personal goals are completed. At that point, if you set no new ones or haven't got anything else you really want... things become grim. For me, that I have finished with what I wanted to do and legendary weapons or armors is something I avoid due to it being a massive grind for something I don't like the way they look, I look forward to new releases as it's something new to do, that I ain't sick and tired of doing already. Well... I will let you judge DRMs for yourself when you reach them. My opinion for them has been expressed previously.

The gem store has a lot more issues than the currency exchange rates but that's a different conversation entirely. It's designed for whales though so don't expect any changes to it.

Haven't done DRMs yet so can't comment.

As for the Gem store, let's have that conversation now. As much as I think it could be improved, how is it designed for whales? Most of the stuff in it is cosmetic stuff. I already commented on the upgrades. The ONLY thing I can think of would be black lion keys. But if there's a skin or item you really want, it'll be expensive, but you CAN buy it on the TP, provided you save up for it. Otherwise I'm not sure what you mean by that.

[Angoril]

Matthew a écrit :

As for the Gem store, let's have that conversation now. As much as I think it could be improved, how is it designed for whales? Most of the stuff in it is cosmetic stuff. I already commented on the upgrades. The ONLY thing I can think of would be black lion keys. But if there's a skin or item you really want, it'll be expensive, but you CAN buy it on the TP, provided you save up for it. Otherwise I'm not sure what you mean by that.

Prices in regards to the frequency of items released for it. Many people ignore the actual price for an item in any cash shop as they only think in whatever currency each game uses. If you were to look in GW2's items and think of them in your currency, things tell a different tale. Suddenly a mount skin costs 20€. A set of permanent gathering tools costs around 35€, more expensive than an entire expansion. A costume skin costs around 10€. Loadout slots that are designed to be bought more than once cost 5-6€ each. A single weapon skin costs 8-9€. Character slots... 10€ each. etc etc

The "micro"transactions aren't so micro, are they? I leave lootboxes out of that as those are straight predatory and require little explanation. The average person will buy 1-2 things from the cash shop, a couple skins for mounts, glider etc and be fine. That's not keeping ArenaNet in business though as it's not enough or consistent cash flow. The cash shop has new items in it 3-4 times a month, all priced higher than what the average person would be willing to spend to have a large amount of them. And that's where whales come in the picture. Suddenly a new skin becomes something that they must have, or that new item that is locked behind the lootboxes, or that mount skin you are waiting for to have all your mounts looking the same that is so conveniently placed behind a lootbox (mount licenses).

People may argue that you can get those things by farming gold and exchanging that for gems but as I said before in this thread, those gems don't come from ArenaNet, they come from people who bought gems with their own money and used them to then buy in-game gold. Gold can be used to buy legendary weapons, infusions, especially some that are in the high thousands, finish collections that ArenaNet, accidentally, places behind horrendous drop rates and RNG the last few months ending in the items required for them costing hundreds of gold each or... one of the things I hate with a passion in this game, the virtual casino named ecto gambling which can be found in Lion's Arch and Amnoon.

[Tiberius]

You pretty much wrote the same thing earlier and I'm honestly not entirely sure what you're complaining. The game has offered so many ways to acquire gemstore items without actually spending real cash. Gems dont come from arenanet? The frick are you talking abt?

I feel like you're being incredibly petty. You're complaining abt gw2 gemstore, meanwhile even p2p mmo like ff14 are selling UNTRADABLE items at ridiculous price.

[Angoril]

Tiberius a écrit :

You pretty much wrote the same thing earlier and I'm honestly not entirely sure what you're complaining. The game has offered so many ways to acquire gemstore items without actually spending real cash. Gems dont come from arenanet? The frick are you talking abt?

I feel like you're being incredibly petty. You're complaining abt gw2 gemstore, meanwhile even p2p mmo like ff14 are selling UNTRADABLE items at ridiculous price.

You need to learn how to read mate... I ain't complaining. I don't really give much of a damn about the prices, I spent money in the game when I needed stuff, now I ain't paying them because I don't feel it's worth it. If you choose to read everything as a complain that's a you issue.

And when I say they don't come from ArenaNet I mean that you don't exchange with an endless pool that is always there. It's gems that people "put in the exchange" by paying for them. You don't buy gems with gold in the same way you would with your credit card.

[Matthew]

Angoril a écrit :

Matthew a écrit :

As for the Gem store, let's have that conversation now. As much as I think it could be improved, how is it designed for whales? Most of the stuff in it is cosmetic stuff. I already commented on the upgrades. The ONLY thing I can think of would be black lion keys. But if there's a skin or item you really want, it'll be expensive, but you CAN buy it on the TP, provided you save up for it. Otherwise I'm not sure what you mean by that.

Prices in regards to the frequency of items released for it. Many people ignore the actual price for an item in any cash shop as they only think in whatever currency each game uses. If you were to look in GW2's items and think of them in your currency, things tell a different tale. Suddenly a mount skin costs 20€. A set of permanent gathering tools costs around 35€, more expensive than an entire expansion. A costume skin costs around 10€. Loadout slots that are designed to be bought more than once cost 5-6€ each. A single weapon skin costs 8-9€. Character slots... 10€ each. etc etc

The "micro"transactions aren't so micro, are they? I leave lootboxes out of that as those are straight predatory and require little explanation. The average person will buy 1-2 things from the cash shop, a couple skins for mounts, glider etc and be fine. That's not keeping ArenaNet in business though as it's not enough or consistent cash flow. The cash shop has new items in it 3-4 times a month, all priced higher than what the average person would be willing to spend to have a large amount of them. And that's where whales come in the picture. Suddenly a new skin becomes something that they must have, or that new item that is locked behind the lootboxes, or that mount skin you are waiting for to have all your mounts looking the same that is so conveniently placed behind a lootbox (mount licenses).

People may argue that you can get those things by farming gold and exchanging that for gems but as I said before in this thread, those gems don't come from ArenaNet, they come from people who bought gems with their own money and used them to then buy in-game gold. Gold can be used to buy legendary weapons, infusions, especially some that are in the high thousands, finish collections that ArenaNet, accidentally, places behind horrendous drop rates and RNG the last few months ending in the items required for them costing hundreds of gold each or... one of the things I hate with a passion in this game, the virtual casino named ecto gambling which can be found in Lion's Arch and Amnoon.

Um, but all of the skins and cosmetic stuff from Black Lion chests can be bought on the trading post? You don't need to gamble for them. Way better then buying keys and rolling the dice on them. Just buy some gold with gems and get'em.

Same with mount adoption licenses. When those first came out I thought "dumb they're RNG". Then they made a more expensive version for them where you can pick what you want. So again I only see the point about pricing.

But the price of stuff yeah, it'll add up quickly. It should probably be cheaper. But if I have to choose between this and a monthly fee, I'll take this. As I have by playing this over FF 14 or WoW. Granted, maybe they could lower the prices and actually get increased revenue from selling more stuff. Win-win.

[LoliNoxTan]

Matthew a écrit :

Angoril a écrit :

Prices in regards to the frequency of items released for it. Many people ignore the actual price for an item in any cash shop as they only think in whatever currency each game uses. If you were to look in GW2's items and think of them in your currency, things tell a different tale. Suddenly a mount skin costs 20€. A set of permanent gathering tools costs around 35€, more expensive than an entire expansion. A costume skin costs around 10€. Loadout slots that are designed to be bought more than once cost 5-6€ each. A single weapon skin costs 8-9€. Character slots... 10€ each. etc etc

The "micro"transactions aren't so micro, are they? I leave lootboxes out of that as those are straight predatory and require little explanation. The average person will buy 1-2 things from the cash shop, a couple skins for mounts, glider etc and be fine. That's not keeping ArenaNet in business though as it's not enough or consistent cash flow. The cash shop has new items in it 3-4 times a month, all priced higher than what the average person would be willing to spend to have a large amount of them. And that's where whales come in the picture. Suddenly a new skin becomes something that they must have, or that new item that is locked behind the lootboxes, or that mount skin you are waiting for to have all your mounts looking the same that is so conveniently placed behind a lootbox (mount licenses).

People may argue that you can get those things by farming gold and exchanging that for gems but as I said before in this thread, those gems don't come from ArenaNet, they come from people who bought gems with their own money and used them to then buy in-game gold. Gold can be used to buy legendary weapons, infusions, especially some that are in the high thousands, finish collections that ArenaNet, accidentally, places behind horrendous drop rates and RNG the last few months ending in the items required for them costing hundreds of gold each or... one of the things I hate with a passion in this game, the virtual casino named ecto gambling which can be found in Lion's Arch and Amnoon.

Um, but all of the skins and cosmetic stuff from Black Lion chests can be bought on the trading post? You don't need to gamble for them. Way better then buying keys and rolling the dice on them. Just buy some gold with gems and get'em.

Same with mount adoption licenses. When those first came out I thought "dumb they're RNG". Then they made a more expensive version for them where you can pick what you want. So again I only see the point about pricing.

But the price of stuff yeah, it'll add up quickly. It should probably be cheaper. But if I have to choose between this and a monthly fee, I'll take this. As I have by playing this over FF 14 or WoW. Granted, maybe they could lower the prices and actually get increased revenue from selling more stuff. Win-win.

Goona have to call you out there mate. You can't buy all the cosmetic stuff from BLC's on the TP. You can buy the weapon skin collections (& I do buy them all on day 1) but the account bound skins you can't buy (Backpacks/Capes for example)

Remember that you can get a guaranteed key once a week from doing the lvl10 personal story & a chance at a key from map comp (excluding cities)
It all adds up

[Tiberius]

Savathun's Onlyfans/LoliNoxTan a écrit :

Matthew a écrit :

Um, but all of the skins and cosmetic stuff from Black Lion chests can be bought on the trading post? You don't need to gamble for them. Way better then buying keys and rolling the dice on them. Just buy some gold with gems and get'em.

Same with mount adoption licenses. When those first came out I thought "dumb they're RNG". Then they made a more expensive version for them where you can pick what you want. So again I only see the point about pricing.

But the price of stuff yeah, it'll add up quickly. It should probably be cheaper. But if I have to choose between this and a monthly fee, I'll take this. As I have by playing this over FF 14 or WoW. Granted, maybe they could lower the prices and actually get increased revenue from selling more stuff. Win-win.

Goona have to call you out there mate. You can't buy all the cosmetic stuff from BLC's on the TP. You can buy the weapon skin collections (& I do buy them all on day 1) but the account bound skins you can't buy (Backpacks/Capes for example)

Remember that you can get a guaranteed key once a week from doing the lvl10 personal story & a chance at a key from map comp (excluding cities)
It all adds up

You can buy most of em

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Black_Lion_Exclusives_Chest

[Angoril]

Matthew a écrit :

Um, but all of the skins and cosmetic stuff from Black Lion chests can be bought on the trading post? You don't need to gamble for them. Way better then buying keys and rolling the dice on them. Just buy some gold with gems and get'em.

Same with mount adoption licenses. When those first came out I thought "dumb they're RNG". Then they made a more expensive version for them where you can pick what you want. So again I only see the point about pricing.

But the price of stuff yeah, it'll add up quickly. It should probably be cheaper. But if I have to choose between this and a monthly fee, I'll take this. As I have by playing this over FF 14 or WoW. Granted, maybe they could lower the prices and actually get increased revenue from selling more stuff. Win-win.

I guess I didn't explain what I meant to say well enough earlier. I never meant that you can't get things unless you use a credit card, nor that everything is inaccessible without going through lootboxes... some are.

What I meant to say is that the way they have several things about it set up is to "incentivize" those that are more open to spending, to do so faster. Yes, many things inside a BLC can be bought by exchanging gold but how did those find themselves in the trading post to begin with? I imagine you have opened BLCs before, you should be familiar with the crappy rates they have. If you pay attention to the gold/gems exchange, during their anniversary sales the rate takes a heavy beating as they have a lot of sales and people buy a lot of things. When a new BLC gets released though, that rate remains unchanged because most don't go crazy exchanging gold to buy keys and open chests... whales though, do. That's how they operate their store and that was the point I wanted to make when I said you shouldn't expect any changes as it's designed for them. Making changes to that or to their exchange rate would end up having a hit in their profits and I really doubt they want that to happen.

The mount select license is a joke really. The mount packs they have come with 5 skins in them, all following a specific theme for 1600 gems, or 20€. Let's say the Branded for example as I have that and I am familiar with where the other mount skins are. When new mounts got released, those of us that had those packs, asked for the extra skins to be added to the packs and of course we would have to buy them as extra. Instead, the beetle is behind a license, which means 5€ x whatever it takes you to get it or 15€ for the license to choose that specifically. But wait, you want the warclaw and the skyscale too? Too bad, those are behind packs that cost 20€ each. So for someone that wants the entire Branded skins set, they would have to spend 75€ to get them. Even mount sets that got introduced in the licenses are spread across several of them.

Those things didn't happen accidentally, they knew very well what they were doing. I am not bothered by the prices as I said to Tiberius as well. I usually don't bring them up or discuss them. They found their way in this time. I do find them on the expensive side of things but I don't think if they were lower I would be more likely to spend more, I just would have bought a few more things but that's about it.

[LoliNoxTan]

Tiberius a écrit :

Savathun's Onlyfans/LoliNoxTan a écrit :

Goona have to call you out there mate. You can't buy all the cosmetic stuff from BLC's on the TP. You can buy the weapon skin collections (& I do buy them all on day 1) but the account bound skins you can't buy (Backpacks/Capes for example)

Remember that you can get a guaranteed key once a week from doing the lvl10 personal story & a chance at a key from map comp (excluding cities)
It all adds up

You can buy most of em

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Black_Lion_Exclusives_Chest

Oh I was just picking at your use of the word "all"

& the exclusives are the most desirable items. They do rotate into the Statuettes... so you can (slowly) get them for free if you do key runs

[Matthew]

Savathun's Onlyfans/LoliNoxTan a écrit :

Matthew a écrit :

Um, but all of the skins and cosmetic stuff from Black Lion chests can be bought on the trading post? You don't need to gamble for them. Way better then buying keys and rolling the dice on them. Just buy some gold with gems and get'em.

Same with mount adoption licenses. When those first came out I thought "dumb they're RNG". Then they made a more expensive version for them where you can pick what you want. So again I only see the point about pricing.

But the price of stuff yeah, it'll add up quickly. It should probably be cheaper. But if I have to choose between this and a monthly fee, I'll take this. As I have by playing this over FF 14 or WoW. Granted, maybe they could lower the prices and actually get increased revenue from selling more stuff. Win-win.

Goona have to call you out there mate. You can't buy all the cosmetic stuff from BLC's on the TP. You can buy the weapon skin collections (& I do buy them all on day 1) but the account bound skins you can't buy (Backpacks/Capes for example)

Remember that you can get a guaranteed key once a week from doing the lvl10 personal story & a chance at a key from map comp (excluding cities)
It all adds up

Ah, my mistake. That's a shame. Also yeah, I should start doing that. The once a week thing.

Also, that was *me* who said "all".

Angoril a écrit :

Matthew a écrit :

Um, but all of the skins and cosmetic stuff from Black Lion chests can be bought on the trading post? You don't need to gamble for them. Way better then buying keys and rolling the dice on them. Just buy some gold with gems and get'em.

Same with mount adoption licenses. When those first came out I thought "dumb they're RNG". Then they made a more expensive version for them where you can pick what you want. So again I only see the point about pricing.

But the price of stuff yeah, it'll add up quickly. It should probably be cheaper. But if I have to choose between this and a monthly fee, I'll take this. As I have by playing this over FF 14 or WoW. Granted, maybe they could lower the prices and actually get increased revenue from selling more stuff. Win-win.

I guess I didn't explain what I meant to say well enough earlier. I never meant that you can't get things unless you use a credit card, nor that everything is inaccessible without going through lootboxes... some are.

What I meant to say is that the way they have several things about it set up is to "incentivize" those that are more open to spending, to do so faster. Yes, many things inside a BLC can be bought by exchanging gold but how did those find themselves in the trading post to begin with? I imagine you have opened BLCs before, you should be familiar with the crappy rates they have. If you pay attention to the gold/gems exchange, during their anniversary sales the rate takes a heavy beating as they have a lot of sales and people buy a lot of things. When a new BLC gets released though, that rate remains unchanged because most don't go crazy exchanging gold to buy keys and open chests... whales though, do. That's how they operate their store and that was the point I wanted to make when I said you shouldn't expect any changes as it's designed for them. Making changes to that or to their exchange rate would end up having a hit in their profits and I really doubt they want that to happen.

The mount select license is a joke really. The mount packs they have come with 5 skins in them, all following a specific theme for 1600 gems, or 20€. Let's say the Branded for example as I have that and I am familiar with where the other mount skins are. When new mounts got released, those of us that had those packs, asked for the extra skins to be added to the packs and of course we would have to buy them as extra. Instead, the beetle is behind a license, which means 5€ x whatever it takes you to get it or 15€ for the license to choose that specifically. But wait, you want the warclaw and the skyscale too? Too bad, those are behind packs that cost 20€ each. So for someone that wants the entire Branded skins set, they would have to spend 75€ to get them. Even mount sets that got introduced in the licenses are spread across several of them.

Those things didn't happen accidentally, they knew very well what they were doing. I am not bothered by the prices as I said to Tiberius as well. I usually don't bring them up or discuss them. They found their way in this time. I do find them on the expensive side of things but I don't think if they were lower I would be more likely to spend more, I just would have bought a few more things but that's about it.

I know all this. I was just repeating an important distinction between being forced to gamble for stuff and, not. Because at least IMO it is a big difference. But "designed for whales" at least for me is such a high bar it'd only apply to something like Neverwinter, if you know how that game operates. Where every corner is monetized and you can't even really play without paying for a number of things.

Not to mention being able to directly buy most items from BLC (save for backpacks and capes apparently) and mounts too. And yes, if you want to finish a set of mounts, it's expensive. But not relevant to my point, as that's still "cheaper" then if they only had the RNG licenses to buy. Obviously though, they could just cut the price of select licenses to what the RNG licenses cost and get rid of those. But again, same thing, it's an important distinction.

[Nori]

Cool. GW2's a fun game.