Estimated remaining lifespan of the game

[Papicho]

Greetings, I just saw the update for spring 2023, and must say that i'm still very surprised with how open they are when it comes to future developments and how they bothered notifying their playerbase even in Steam. Coming from ESO, guess i was a little abused back then haha.

I also saw the GW2 wiki a few months ago with a planning, i was skeptical and little hopeful. Anyway, I want to ask about roughly remaining lifespan of the game. I saw somewhere a year ago about their plan of making at least another expansion after EOD, i think i also saw something suggesting the making of a Guild Wars 3.

Unless the playerbase in gw2 remains strong even with the coming of gw3 without mentioning other great mmorpgs that are coming, then it will likely fall in a state similar to that of gw1, which is barely in basic life-support. I have nothing against the current state of gw1, in opposite i found it quite admirable when i recall how some games i played closed brutally.

Dear veterans, with all your knowledge about the game, studio, forum, legit infos and rumours ... How much does gw2 have left?

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Greetings, I just saw the update for spring 2023, and must say that i'm still very surprised with how open they are when it comes to future developments and how they bothered notifying their playerbase even in Steam. Coming from ESO, guess i was a little abused back then haha.

I also saw the GW2 wiki a few months ago with a planning, i was skeptical and little hopeful. Anyway, I want to ask about roughly remaining lifespan of the game. I saw somewhere a year ago about their plan of making at least another expansion after EOD, i think i also saw something suggesting the making of a Guild Wars 3.

Unless the playerbase in gw2 remains strong even with the coming of gw3 without mentioning other great mmorpgs that are coming, then it will likely fall in a state similar to that of gw1, which is barely in basic life-support. I have nothing against the current state of gw1, in opposite i found it quite admirable when i recall how some games i played closed brutally.

Dear veterans, with all your knowledge about the game, studio, forum, legit infos and rumours ... How much does gw2 have left?

I'm not a veteran, but been playing MMO games the last 8 years, since i was 12yr old.. i played ESO for 5 years, but did quit it 2 years ago, it just got bland and endgame lacks people (both pve and pvp, in pvp you fight only same few people) and after tried several games, landed on Final Fantasy 14 and got addicted to it and been playing over 1,5 years as my "main game", it has very active endgame pve groups and plenty of epic content steadily and the content is best of any mmo, from the combat mechanics to musics.(subscription model, so content often and most cool stuff gets from in game farming and not from crown store like in ESO).

But, with me gone through FF14 main story and all patches and all side content and all raids, still between content cycles i noticed might want another fun game on the side, especially with decent pvp (in FF14 it's more like a mini game, Crystal Conflict is a fun mode tho).

So went to test a few games and landed on GW2, and oh sweetness it's been fun. The overland is super fun and so is pvp/WvW.

+ It's actually LEGIT more active and see more players on a single town/map at 3am in the night even than on ESO during primetime. Yes, i went to check after Necrom launch.. it was sad amount of pop at ESO.

+ Combat is fun combo of active/tab target and modifying builds is cool and feels impactful enough, no need to own 300 sets like in ESO, where everything except 3 sets are nerfed into uselessness to have 1% of usable sets KEKW.

+ Can actually from just in game playing farm gold, that can then transfer to Gems, and buy from cash store that (imagine them doing this on ESO? Never. The Seals of endeavour takes 1 year to get anything, and by the time the thing you wanted was gone from store already lmao) So GW2 monetization model is great. Yes, i bought both Expansions. Gave lots of content. And yes, when i started i bought some Gems, just enough to buy Makeover kit and couple outfits and cute backpack glider wings. <3 But ever since i just gather gold and transfer to gems. So nice system! Wish other games had this.

+ With how active the game feels, even last night at 3am my time, means it was 4-5am in middle europe where most players are from i¨d assume based on usual mmo EU server graphs.. there was huge amount of people doing world boss events. Was fun. ^^

+ GW2 actually looks QUITE good for an mmo at 1440 resolution imo, character models look nice on max settings. Also, if you have decent gaming pc/laptop (i play a lot on my gaming laptop, runs perfectly) it has good performance, no lag. If really old gaming setup, then might needs to lower settings or have frame drops on big world events.


So i'd say with all this activity i see, i'd easily estimate the game to have 5-10 years more.


And tbh, buying the HoT and EoD expansion pack gives so much content to play, even just going through the story and during that casually playing with people you meet around the world, worth the buy and investment. Even tho i count myself as "FF14 main fangirl", i still love GW2, it has so much good in it. And weirdly, how little Anet seems to advertise, it still has seriously active player base. Was actually surprised.

Old engine with it's limitations, same is in FF14 that i play, FF14 can look a bit outdated for many also, it has 10yr+ old engine with limitations and it shows, but they been able to stretch it quite nicely on many things. And that game has already 10 year plan ahead. Literally. Was announced. Tho we might get engine upgrade at some point. With one of the biggest launches. So no reason why GW2 could not get the same. Might be the smarter move to actually upgrade GW2 engine instead (if it is possible to move player/item database to new engine) of making GW3 and dividing player base between the two.

All in all, i say GW2 is surprisingly good game, and worth the time investment imo. Has plenty of years ahead. It's actually lively and active. In ESO there was literally 5 people in Mournhold (capital of EP) after a major expansion (Necrom), at 3am last night on GW2 there were hundreds of people in Divinity's Reach (capital of catgirls, with cat ears and cat tail outfit i can turn human into catgirl smadgeCute) so i rest my case. I joined a guild even so am not solo anymore. 99% of the people in my guild seems to play with Anet client, not via Steam client, so never let the Steam charts fool you, it only shows steam client players, that are not many. I am one of them tho. :) Because took free trial first from here just to check and then got addicted and bought full version. :P

So to any new players or anyone wanting to try the game, just do it. Worth the time and for sure has many, many years of planned for it already. They would not spend expensive dev time on things like the WvW changes that are coming and so on, if they were thinking to switch soon to GW3 or something. There are always the same like 5 people here on forum telling the game is dying. Just check their post history lmao. And if they change name, check post history and see it's the same dude. :D I think they were nerfed enough times on ESO to cause them emotional damage, and now they spend all days on other games forums rather than playing their ESO.

Anyways, i wish all GW2 (and to my FF14 friends) players have awesome weekend, may you all have fun!

[ah_puch]

That's a bit odd since ESO's smallest demographic on Steam is about 700% bigger than GW2. Necrom starting quest npc has about 100 people around it. 95% of the new players are playing the new class and new companions.

You don't need more than 2 builds in ESO and if you did, you were playing it wrong.

You can grind in game gold which is roughly equals to making $1.5 hour. For to grind that much gold you need to be at max level with good gear and experience with all DLC maps unlocked. Which is a bit odd since you said you've been playing for a couple of days.

Not gonna bother with the rest actually since that seems like a reactionary post rather than a genuine one. Seems similar to reddit posters who go into random games and talk about "Have you tried GW2 yet?" Really low point for the community.

Big three is out of reach. I'd change the narrative to Maplestory or SWTOR though, a bit more believable since those games have similar population size yet still beat GW2.

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ah_puch a écrit :

That's a bit odd since ESO's smallest demographic on Steam is about 700% bigger than GW2. Necrom starting quest npc has about 100 people around it.

You don't need more than 2 builds in ESO and if you did, you were playing it wrong.

You can grind in game gold which is roughly equals to making $1.5 hour. For to grind that much gold you need to be at max level with good gear and experience with all DLC maps unlocked. Which is a bit odd since you said you've been playing for a couple of days.

Not gonna bother with the rest actually since that seems like a reactionary post rather than a genuine one. Seems similar to reddit posters who go into random game's and talk about "Have you tried GW2 yet?" Really low point for the community.

There were literally 5 people in Mournhold after ESO's Necrom launch at primetime.. and there are 5 same people here on steam forums telling every other mmo is dead, except ESO.. coincidence? I think not.

It's prolly the same 5 guys spending all their time on steam forums since nothing to do in game. No endgame groups and trying to queue into veteran dungeons takes forever. :D

Everyone know the 5 guys by name already in here. :P

If someone is one of them, they most likely know they are already a living meme and no point starting to even "bother with the rest" since no one bothers with themselves in the first place. As in their opinion matters not, when all they do is go around on other game forums and try to tell how great ESO is. :D Meanwhile it's a dumpster fire. So no wonder the remaining players are passive aggresive and going around other games forums telling "no my game does not suck, your game sucks!".

[ah_puch]

Figured as much. Not a genuine post and new players should avoid such blatant misinformative posts. GW2 doesn't even have 10% of ESO's player numbers yet "Mournhold was empty". Uh huh, sure. Not "Every mmo is dead except ESO" either. There are plenty of active and successful mmos currently in 2023. You wish GW2 was one of them but it's not, not even close. Hence the reactionary posts.

[Tuathaqin]

ah_puch a écrit :

"Game is dying since 2012" is overly used and tired fallacy. Game has been dying since the 2019 layoffs and it's evident in the content droughts, low content quality and staff layover. Their lies about "EoD success" and "playerbase have doubled" have been exposed as EoD profits were lower even than PoF and the "doubled playerbase" only resulted in 8k peak on Steam.

The increase in players was reported prior to the Steam release. The 8K peak on Steam happened famously after the Steam release. Therefore, no correlation. I'd call this your latest attempt at misleading the average forum reader, but I'll settle for fallacy.

ah_puch a écrit :

Lead system designer was their most valuable asset and he left.

I wonder how you imagine the hierarchy of importance within a game studio. If you could share your wisdom in that regard, I'm sure it would enlighten us all. Or is the reason behind mentioning the departure of this paricular employee simply the fact that it was made public by the person themself?

ah_puch a écrit :

People are now going into posts about other mmos and say "I know this is not relevant but have you tried Guild Wars 2? It's a cool game I promise!". It's really embarrassing to witness as those attempts at bringing GW2 into conversation are dismissed on the spot which tarnishes the game's image even more.

Even if that is true, and that's a big if, is it more embarrassing than hating a game so much that you go into the discussions of other games and try to actively dissuade anyone who is willing to listen to ever go near it? I know of someone who does that.

[ah_puch]

And yet those "facts" are based on a couple days of gameplay. Again, a very low point for the community. Looks like losing the subreddit has done some real damage, the only way to stay relevant now is by using the big three as anchors to gain more attention. Sad.

Imagine an equally small game like Albion saying "Albion online is the best game ever, I found players at 3 am can you believe? In Wow I saw 5 players in prime time but come to Albion we have so much more!". So desperate. The best part, no one is buying such attempts. The only thing such attempts achieve is to tarnish GW2's reputation further.

New players should just avoid getting tangled in an old, abandoned mmo with 2k players with a "I'm a big boy too" complex. Sad. The big three is out of reach.

[likous]

The famous troll is obsessed with this game posting texts from others on non-game forums. You've outdone yourself, bravo
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ah_puch a écrit :

And yet those "facts" are based on a couple days of gameplay. Again, a very low point for the community. Looks like losing the subreddit has done some real damage, the only way to stay relevant now is by using the big three as anchors to gain more attention. Sad.

Imagine an equally small game like Albion saying "Albion online is the best game ever, I found players at 3 am can you believe? In Wow I saw 5 players in prime time but come to Albion we have so much more!". So desperate. The best part, no one is buying such attempts. The only thing such attempts achieve is to tarnish GW2's reputation further.

New players should just avoid getting tangled in an old, abandoned mmo with 2k players with a "I'm a big boy too" complex. Sad. The big three is out of reach.

The "big three" you keep mentioning is WoW, FF14 and OSRS. ESO is far from big three. :D

While GW2 has not much pop as FF14 (as said, i play both and have working eyes), BUT it does for sure have more players than dead ESO.

GW2 is by visible and game play parameters after testing enough clearly the most active of the "mid-tier" (by player amounts) mmo games. People can go play and see this to be true. No need for words when can actually measure by game play feel.

It does not matter how long i have played GW2, i have working eyes, and so does anyone who goes to check. People can login to both games right now, same day and go compare player amounts. Tell you what, they can try get group also for endgame activities and see what comes faster, GW2 or ESO groups. :D

So yeah, your obsessed misinformation is truly sad. But keep going. :D

As said, my MAIN GAME is FF14, so i have no need to market GW2, just came to tell to a new player what is the reality that ANYONE can check to be true, if they actually login and compare the games. :) Sorry it seems to bring you emotional damage that GW2 is doing well. Maybe not identify yourself as soul of ESO or something. ESO is like 7th on MMO list, even then it's just bots and writ makers who logout after made writs, not even playing the game. ESO players told about those "Players" in ESO forum lmao.

Would do good for you too to accept facts. But i guess ego stops once again. We all know such people. Some just cannot accept when in the wrong about something. Maybe too invested (bought too many game crates from pacrooti in ESO lmao) on ESO to be able accept facts.. and instead of playing you hangout on GW2 forum since nothing to do and no one to play with in ESO? Kinda sad to be honest.

[ah_puch]

Idk, if you can do the math by yourself GW2 has currently 18% of ESO's players on Steam. There goes to "just made that up" claim. Steamcharts prove how tiny this game is compared to the big three, it's embarrassing. I can understand the big three but GW2 has 28% less players than Maplestory.

Then again you referred to "mmopopulations" so there goes your credibility.

Side note: GW2 subreddit is closed as well. Not sure what's gonna happen since mmopopulation counts reddit users and have no bearing on the player numbers at all.

[Premium]

ah_puch a écrit :

Idk, if you can do the math by yourself GW2 has currently 18% of ESO's players on Steam. There goes to "just made that up" claim. Then again you referred to "mmopopulations" so there goes your credibility.

Side note: GW2 subreddit is closed as well. Not sure what's gonna happen since mmopopulation counts reddit users and have no bearing on the player numbers at all. Steamcharts prove how tiny this game is compared to the big three, it's embarrassing.

Weak recovery with the "on steam" thing.

[ah_puch]

We were talking about Steam since the very start since no one has access to non steam numbers. Not sure in which part you got confused about the "on steam recovery" but weak attempt nevertheless. Weak attemps will not boost the game's popularity though, nor does it attract new players. Sad but true.

[Premium]

ah_puch a écrit :

We were talking about Steam since the very start since no one has access to non steam numbers. Not sure in which part you got confused about the "on steam recovery" but weak attempt nevertheless. Weak attemps will not boost the game's popularity though, nor does it attract new players. Sad but true.

Wow cool, why don't you talk more about how reddit is imploding and how the effects ????

[Premium]

ah_puch a écrit :

Not sure you would understand the effects of losing the reddit since you didn't even know we were talking about steam numbers till 5 minutes ago.

We've lost fark and digg already, oh no what will we do. Reddit isn't used by everyone lmao, just like steam. You just called a game dead and said it had less players than a game that has more than double of. MMO fanboys are sad.

MMOs don't really die unless they get closed down. The first everquest is getting is 30th expansion soon, lotro is still going, even EQ2 has 40K people playing it at any given time. Its really funny that nerds call a game "dead" when it makes more money in a month than they will in a lifetime.

[ah_puch]

Wrong. Reddit was actually the most used source for player questions, game discussions, sharing pictures, videos and memes for community involvement.

It's funny since up until now people who were swearing by "mmopopulation" which counts reddit activity as a measurement for player numbers are now saying "reddit isn't important". Just like how tons of players were eagerly awaiting the steam launch as some sort of a savior but the reality hit them so hard they started saying "steam numbers aren't real". Really odd behavior that.

You can't rely on mmopopulation any more even though it was fake to begin with, now Steamcharts is all the more powerful as a real source. If things don't improve for the game, those numbers will continue to reinforce the game's image as "that old, small mmo with 3k players".

It would be okay if the game had 3k players but was getting new content regularly but they got like one new meta map in 16 months. Now the game's image is "that old, small mmo in maintenance mode with 3k players". Even Lotro with 1k players has gotten an expansion, a new delving system, instance cluster with dungeons and a raid and it's getting a new expansion, a new class this year. A new housing neighourhood is planned for next year as well.

Not a good look for the community.

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ah_puch a écrit :

Wrong. Reddit was actually the most used source for player questions, game discussions, sharing pictures, videos and memes for community involvement.

It's funny since up until now people who were swearing by "mmopopulation" which counts reddit activity as a measurement for player numbers are now saying "reddit isn't important". Just like how tons of players were eagerly awaiting the steam launch as some sort of a savior but the reality hit them so hard they started saying "steam numbers aren't real". Really odd behavior that.

You can't rely on mmopopulation any more even though it was fake to begin with, now Steamcharts is all the more powerful as a real source. If things don't improve for the game, those numbers will continue to reinforce the game's image as "that old, small mmo with 3k players". Not a good look for the community.

This is an ad for reddit and not a real post, right? No one cares about reddit except the people that use reddit. And given that Spez has decided to follow the path of Fark and Digg no one is going to be using it in a year.

Its also real cool how every metric you use is a solid source and anything anyone else uses is unreliable. Funny how that works, right?