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Why would i pay 20 bucks for a dog turd? If i wanted free dog turd, i could have downloaded ESO when it was given free a while back in Epic Games Store. And there are plenty of fully free other games around the year that are the word you described. Can anytime get any of those.
But, then there are games good games, that can "try for free if likes", and then upgrade then to the full version, like FF14, like GW2. In case of FF14 it has subscription cost on top of purchase cost of the base game and expansions. But one easily pays for good products.
I have over 3k hours in FF14. Money well spent. Now i have over 1k hours (still noob hours) in GW2, money well spent. :)
I have paid various amounts for games this year, the games include base game and all DLC/Expansions: GW2 + all expansions/LW. Stellaris + ALL it's DLC (Paradox game players know how many it has lmao). Baldur's Gate 3. All good purchases with hundreds of hours of playtime, and in Stellaris and GW2 over 1k hours of playtime already. Money well spent and worth it totally.
So your comparison is poor.
Maybe you yourself do not like some game, but that does not mean you are some center of the universe that decides what is good or not.
GW2 is amazing game for an MMO for me and my friend who came to play it with me, she enjoys it as much as me.
Yes, of course it's not perfect for everyone, and has some abandoned content like dungeons etc, but it's overland, strikes and wvw is super fun. That is what matters. GW2 is a game that even if it has smaller dev studio so not get as big content updates all the time like maybe FF14 and WoW, the content we both have now still to do is like 5k-10k for sure and we both enjoy just doing overland stuff and trying builds and wvw is sort of endless content.
You could not even get through Heart of Thorns by your own words because it was too hard for you. Maybe you should play some kids Lego games instead anyways? :)
Personally, if i like a game, i pay for it. Buy full version and expansions. That simple for me. Some specialize complaining on the forums because they are too poor to buy a game that costs the amount of 2 movie tickets and then make it some philosophical investment questions like it's some hardest decision in their life.
tldr: GW2 is a great game, and worth every euro i did spend on it's expansions, i did buy Baldur's Gate 3 also and consider it a 10/10 gaming experience both single player and multiplayer runs, i have more hours on GW2 than in BG3 and when i play with my friend it's 10/10 gaming gaming fun for both of us. Money well spent when has that feeling about a game. :) Different types of games, but same kind of fun when we play together.
Without topics like these, i would not even think about i paid for the games, i'd think buying games is same as buying food, it's just food for the soul as i see it. We went from playing with Barbies to playing games like these, still same kids maybe in heart, finding same fun we used to have. Maybe some just get bitter and not find enjoyment in anything anymore. But that's their problem and then they spend big part of their day complaining about things on forums like some grandpa of your neighborhood complaining about weather to anyone who passes by. *shrugs*
They made an alternate path to acquire the Skyscale, but I wouldn't exactly call it a grind.
How it originally was, you spent about 10-15min (depending the part) on the collection quest, then wait until daily reset to move on. Not exactly a grind, just extremely time-gated. Time-gate got reduced greatly, so people can move on to the next step faster.
The new method has no time-gate for the most part. However, you will be required to spend Faction Tokens and those are time-gated per daily reset. You need a total of 30 and you can only get so much per day.
Even then, not exactly a grind. Just go to the merchants, purchase the tokens and wait.
When anyone thinks grind, it is a constant thing for hours, days, weeks, and maybe months. The Skyscale acquisition doesn't gel with that label well. Simply because the tasks asked are short. Then you wait to move on.
Would you say waiting for a bus on a bus stop is a grind?
would you call waiting at a bus stop fun? would you pay to get more of it?
they are selling something, that is supposed to be FUN
I don't like MMOs, I consider they can steal life from people and project a social mirage just like digital social networks do. That said, I played GW1 as a teenager and GW2 since 2013. I spent many hours on it, more than any other game, specially in the beginning, with ocasional "stops" and "comebacks" as new content poured into the game (most times free). It's my "fallback" game between singleplayer ones. And I can tell you, I still enjoy it. And I'm no innocent and ignorant GW player. My account has nearly 40,000 achievement points and I have beaten all the hardcore content. No casual player here, so if I speak the opposite to what you say, I think I'm well "authorized" to do so and deserve no discredit.
And I state it's a good game. Not suited to all tastes, but a good game. Even if there are many things I don't like or I even despise, such as the recent social agenda and political matters. Also, it is known for having one of the best and most helpful communities of all the MMOs out there (at least in PvE). And even if your opinion is perfectly valid, you have no right to tell other people that are wrong because they don't share that same opinion, which you yourself recognized as "biased".
To me, all this effort to make this kind of negative propaganda towards a game, which is free for all to test, and trying to make your own vision to be the one and only, makes me wonder if it's not some kind of personal issue or vendetta: either you were fired from Anet or permanently banned from the game, losing all your stuff.
While I can agree time-gates can be annoying, they are a different subject and not considered as a grind. Also other MMOs do similar things.
Yeah, in FF14 i'm time-gated each week to get 1 loot/gear part from raid series each time new tier comes, also for first months even alliance raids have just 1 gear part per weekly reset etc. So the biggest MMO games also time-gate their progress (in both item level gear and even on the glam/skins for fashion) so they make people do them weekly for months, until next content drops.
I feel in GW2 less time-gated for the most part, and Legendaries (WvW Leggies are time-gated for example with getting certain amount of currencies each week from the Skirmish boxes) and some mounts being time-gated does not matter, the long(ish) journey feels worth it and the reward is awesome feeling when complete. ^^
Like what comes to stat gear, after Exotics in GW2 is very easy to start collecting full Ascended so gets fast BIS stat gear and then starts your Legendaries so gets to pick the stats on the go. The system is damn awesome.
I actually if could, would implement GW2 gearing, reward and loot system into FF14 if i was in charge of things, that new item level by 10-30 every 4 months is some 20yr old WoW design that should be a thing of the past in FF14 (and in any mmo tbh).
GW2 gearing and mount & masteries "grind" is superior.
Now, if could combine GW2 gearing/reward structure into FF14's epic instanced raiding and having GW2 WvW on the side as the open world pvp format on some proper FF14 zone = perfect mmo game in one package IMHO.
I play both GW2 and FF14, one could make the perfect MMO if would combine best parts of both. I like GW2 open world experience so much now also, that almost would take combat and open world system both from GW2 (i would keep the FF14 holy trinity, tank, healer dps for the harder raid difficulties as a "needed thing" though but make it fluid enough that the solo experience is as good as in GW2 for open world) and then combine that to Final Fantasy IP. Oh the possibilities and how epic raids could get AND on top of a lively open world zones. GW2 maps are so nice to do and experience. In FF14 maps are sort of just "there" for the story purpose (you travel there to watch cutscenes, then travel to another location and do some chores in between) and rarely you have reasons to visit them or explore or anything after done story there.
Oh the results would be majestic.. big studio budget for new raids every 4 months like now on each raid tier cycle and Soken's musical genius combined with GW2 gearing and reward structure and open world experience =
GW2 fans when someone criticizes it: "Other MMOs do the same!!1"
GW2 fans when someone points out other MMOs do something better: "It's GW2, not every other game!!1"
I'll happily agree time-gates are annoying for any MMO. But trying to say time-gate is an example of grinding, any person will look at the example with confusion. The two are not alike. Plus, that is a different topic as I pointed out.
So, you had to create a strawman. Not exactly productive nor agreeable. All you do instead is poison the well and make bad faith arguments. You know better.
Poor generalization.
Most mmo games do have things in common, and the flaws GW2 has, other mmo games suffer from the same things usually, but in different areas of the game, ending up so that each game has their own unique positives and negatives, subjective to personal taste.
And literally even the most hardcore of us fangirls (and fanboys) of GW2 here can admit if some other mmo game does something well (or even better than GW2). Like me for example have said repeatedly in several topics that FF14 does instanced raids better (well, for my taste in best way of all mmo games), but FF14 has poor open world gameplay that GW2 on the other hand is great at.
No one here is praising GW2 to be perfect game in all aspects, but if we could combine the best things from GW2 with best features with couple other games, the end product would be near perfection.
Of course people can criticize games, any games. But acting and announcing stuff like they were some facts and then being surprise pikachu face when people disagree is just silly. :D
Of course, it's trendy being some random edgelord on the internet who ever has only negative things to say and nothing has brought any satisfaction for them in years (except crying on the internet about random things), thus must pour all that negativity on others 24/7 as their meaning of life. *shrugs*
i can ask you the same. apparantly you have the perfect game waiting for you,
so why are you here?. and i am here to warn new players about the expansions.
its a thread for new players, so of course it is relevant. and when another game
does the same, they deserve the same treatment. just go to their forums and
complaint about it. but dont try and derail the argument here.
I'll give you credit that while we have our disagreements, you acknowledge the bad faith argument made was unproductive.
Some faith in humanity has been restored.
That's an absurd question, i'm actually a gw2 player who plays guild wars 2 who also enjoys the game and participate in this and other gw2 communities.
Imagine asking a CoD player why hes participating in the CoD forum or why a Dota player talks about dota stuff
But you don't know anything about the expansions specially the most recent cuz you stopped playing this long ago yet you come here and "warn" people, that's interesting, anyways im here to debunk the lies and misinformation and exaggerations and all the wrong data but also to have fun and help people.