Does this game expect me to pay money?

[PainC]

So apparently it says f2p but once i got to lvl 10 a message popped saying that i only have 10 hours on my mount. Does anyone know what is this? Do these devs expect me to pay money, so i can use a basic mount on an mmo (lol)?

[PainC]

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I am not twisting any facts.The mount system is intergranted into the core game.You can come out straight from the character creator and you can use the mounts.It is not reserved for any expansion.It is a feature that has been added to game ALONG with the expansion.It is masive paywall to get new players to make the first purchase .In the mmo cycles it is called the Icebreaker because after this the new player is more likely to keep spending.I honestly would not care if it was something cosmetic.But unfortunately it something very important which hinders my gameplay experience.

I'll repeat this one last time. Mounts are a feature that comes with the expansion Path of Fire.
Same as you can come with the 9th class (the revenant) straight from character creation once you purchase Heart of Thorns (or actually, just Path of Fire, because you get Heart of thorns with it for free), it is yours to keep. Just because it is available to be used in the core part of the game it doesn't mean it should be given to the core players for free.
It's expansion content. That's litereally where this conversation should end.
If you can't deal with the fact, that some features (no matter how important YOU see them as), are locked behind the expansions, then as it was suggested to you on several occasions, you should really find another mmo to play, or buy the expansions to get all of the content that comes with them, including the mount system.. because this most certainly won't change.

Stay salty kiddo.I am not buying anything.I also made my point clear seeing you only can repeat the same things over and over again.I aslo have teared down all your excuses and arguments so there is really no point to keep embarassing yourself.

[Xylion]

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Stay salty kiddo.

Says the one who's complaining about not being able to get expansion features for free 🤣

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I am not buying anything.

And as I said, that's completely fine! Different people, different tastes.
LA, Ae:U and BDO will be happy to have you!

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I also made my point clear seeing you only can repeat the same things over and over again.

Yea, that you did.
However, sadly for you, just because you made your point clear, it doesn't mean that you are right. It simply means we all understood what you are trying to say (the first time around). You just don't want to hear the valid reasons you are getting as a response to that written point.

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I aslo have teared down all your excuses and arguments so there is really no point to keep embarassing yourself.

You really didn't tear down anything.
Just because you personally are unable to accept facts, it doesn't mean they aren't just that.
It simply means that you don't want to listen to reason. That's on you, not me. 👍

[PainC]

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Escrito originalmente por 痛み:

Stay salty kiddo.

Says the one who's complaining about not being able to get expansion features for free 🤣

Escrito originalmente por 痛み:

I am not buying anything.

And as I said, that's completely fine! Different people, different tastes.
LA, Ae:U and BDO will be happy to have you!

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I also made my point clear seeing you only can repeat the same things over and over again.

Yea, you did. Sadly, just because you made your point clear, it doesn't mean that you are right.

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I aslo have teared down all your excuses and arguments so there is really no point to keep embarassing yourself.

You really didn't tear down anything :') Just because you personally aren't unable to accept facts, it doesn't mean they aren't facts. It simply means that you don't want to listen to reason. That's on you, not me. 👍

Amigo you really are not saying anything.I dont know how to explain it you sound like more like a bot."I suggest you buy this" and "but the company is no charity" How can i say this your words have no meaningful context.Maybe it is that redditor mindset but hey keep playing with your little memes.

[=Ost180=Hoshinohi]

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Ok let me explain this in simple words so you can understand this considering your mental capacity and redditor mindset.I am new player.I make new character.I want to go from point A to point B.I start walking from point A to point B.Suddenly i see other player with his mount going to point B faster.I can't wait to get my mount too so i can get to point B faster.I get to lvl 10.I get greeted with paywall message that i need to pay so i can use the mount system and go faster(after trial) in a f2p mmo in the year of 2022.Your excuse being that it is an expansion feature is meangless as it is seamlessly intergranted into the core game.Am i supposed to close my eyes and look the other way when another player passes next to me with his p2w mount?How can you defend such practises in the year 2022?

So cute that you are trying to make me look stupid, while you're the one not getting it.
That's not false advertisement, that's your wrong assumption, thinking that you would be getting a mount for free, because you didn't check what you get with the core game to begin with.
It is actually documented both in the video you suggested me to watch as well as on the PoF steam site, that mounts are part of the expansion.
If you didn't check what you get and what you don't with the core game (info that is available to everyone), it is your fault, not the companies.
With your logic you would also get triggered by players wearing armor only available through the expansions, because you would see them and automatically think it should be available to you as well.
No matter how you try to twist the facts, mounts are part of the expansion and are therefore unlocked with the purchase of that expansion. The core game is free and all of its content is being given to you for free as well. I repeat myself, due to the amount of Waypoints on every core zone, mounts were not needed - hence why they were not added to the game until the PoF - where it introduced both the mounts (with unique abilities) and expansion content that actually needs them in order to progress).
If you want to access the features and content from the expansions, you will have to buy them in the same exact way as everyone else did. And to add to that, these are not LA-type of "expansions". We're talking about proper expansions that are worth it's money.

Buddy the shut up was mostly about you you are not discussing anymore just fighting with the OP and throwing insults.

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I feel like noone is really saying something about this issue.Personally(you might it find it funny if this the only mmo you have ever played) it hinders my gameplay experience.Mounts are free for the vast majority of mmos.That guy seriously asked me if think this is charity organization because i asked for simple mount.Some crazy stuff going on here like we are reinventing the genre or something.

GW2s comunity was never asking for mounts it was allways people from other mmorpgs coming to GW2 that wanted mounts and we simply hated the idea of those stupid speedbuffskins you call mounts in other games.

This is also why GW2 had to make mounts so different to all of the existing ideas of mounts and why there were no mounts until path of fire. What we get now is basically a reinvention of mounts and what they should be and even old world of warcraft is copying this now.

Beside that as mentioned before the core game is made with walking and exploring and the waypoints to allow you to reach close by locations. For the speedbuff idea behind other mmorpgs mounts Guild Wars 2 had allready dedicated buffs to let you run 33% faster and some skills that allowed you to leap some distance. This is basically the other reason we never wanted traditional mounts and if they would have gave us just traditional mounts we would have been pissed I guarantee you that.

So you see it is not a new issue it is just that the minds of the people were allready set. So if you think you need a mount ask yourself why and why not or why you feel the need of the GW2 mounts to be needed. In short all movement abilitys from the expansions are not only needed in those expansions content but they will give you a reason to revisit the old content as well to feel the difference of exploring with them.

I'm sure you are upset of loosing this glimps of a different exploration style but I doubt you even unterstood half of the mounts purpose there is a reason why they have a mastery system behind them as well like said they are not just shiny skins they are a game changer that is a big part of the expansion.

We allways try to encourage new players to try out on Guild Wars 2 and if they like the game and find it is worth the money for more content this is the best case scenario for all of us if you dislike the game feel free to leave it whenever you want or come back if you want to just do not make the mistake to rate Guild Wars 2 on other games that are basically the oposite of it with punishing you for exploring, beeing only relevant at the latest content and so on. I played over 20 mmorpgs allready in my life time and they might all have some sort of mounts but none was ever more than a skin on a speedbuff to skip the game If youre opinion has anything of value than it is basically the point that they should never have allowed you to gain the mount at all but than people would probably just have asked "so where are the mentioned cool mounts?" Guild Wars 2s expansion content take long to develop and they change gaming experiences in a good way but can also be sending the wrong message to new players that stil see this game to be just another mmorpg like they are familiar with and the only mmorpg that comes close to GW2 would be Elderscrolls online for me and maybe SWTor in some parts.

[Xylion]

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Buddy the shut up was mostly about you you are not discussing anymore just fighting with the OP and throwing insults.

Happens when you try to explain things in a reasonable way for a while, while the OP simply doesn't get it (or more likely refuses to).
Based on the remaining of your post, it seems like you're on a good path to replace me soon though, since you are pretty much repeating everything that was already being said to him more than once (and he still keeps refusing it).
Which is great, since I don't feel like entertaining the OP, as he is really incapable of thinking rationally when it comes to this specific topic and will rather insult and go on and on explaining how entitled he is to a feature from the expansion- free of charge, of course. All because he thinks he knows better than the rest of the playerbase, both new and vet players.

You can write a few positive replies, but if the other person continue to talk ♥♥♥♥ and simply not getting the most basic facts, twisting them around etc., and you keep being nice to him, trying to deliver facts a bit differently, hoping that they might actually get it this time (even though he's been toxic to everyone else in the thread), it's more of a joke on you than on him.
Saddest part is, that everyone who tried to explain this to him rationally, were initially trying to help him understand, so that he wouldn't be as irritated about it as he was/is. Instead, he decided to go all out, trying to convince everyone else that he's right and literally everyone else is wrong,
Whelp, I'm out - there's no point continuing talking to him, nor is there any point in feeding this thread, as nothing will change. Neither the system, nor his twisted perception of what he should be getting with the core game for free.

[PainC]

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Buddy the shut up was mostly about you you are not discussing anymore just fighting with the OP and throwing insults.

Happens when you try to explain things in a reasonable way for a while, while the OP simply doesn't get it (or more likely refuses to).
Based on the remaining of your post, it seems like you're on a good path to replace me soon though, since you are pretty much repeating everything that was already being said to him more than once (and he still keeps refusing it).
Which is great, since the OP really is incapable of thinking rationally when it comes to this specific topic and will rather insult and go on and on explaining how entitled he is to a feature from the expansion - free of charge, of course. All because he knows better than the rest of the playerbase, both new and vet players.

You can write a few positive replies, but if the other person continue to talk ♥♥♥♥ and simply not getting the most basic facts, twisting them around etc., and you keep being nice to him, trying to deliver your facts a bit differently, hoping that they might actually get it this time (even though he's been toxic to everyone else in the thread), it's more of a joke on you than on him. Saddest part is, that everyone who tried to explain this to him rationally, were initially trying to help him understand, so that he wouldn't be as irritated about it as he was. Instead, he decided to go all out, trying to convince everyone else that he's right and literally everyone else is wrong,
Whelp, I'm out - there's no point continuing talking to him, nor is there any point in this thread, as nothing will change. Neither the system, nor his twisted perception of what he should be getting with the core game.

Amigo dont forget who started throwing insults first.The fact that from all these lines of text that i wrote you concluded that op is just talking ♥♥♥♥ .You refuse to see my point of view and keep acting like a salesman .I am not really going to change your mind whatever i say to you.So if someone keeps making valid points about the games scummy money practises you keep doing you.Keep crying that is.

[Ashrala]

If you haven't realized by now, the expansions are how Anet is making their money flow into the company. NO money = NO payment employees/development = NO game. The mounts were THE major part of the PoF expansion, this WILL NOT change no matter now much noise is made. GW2 is NOT like other MMOs, deal with it. If you are not happy with this choice of a game model then go play another game, this is how GW2 works and a lot of people are fine with it. They gave you a trial run for the raptor mount and that is what you get until you dish out, at the cheapest, wow, 30 whole bucks.

[PainC]

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If you haven't realized by now, the expansions are how Anet is making their money flow into the company. NO money = NO payment employees/development = NO game. The mounts were THE major part of the PoF expansion, this WILL NOT change no matter now much noise is made. GW2 is NOT like other MMOs, deal with it. If you are not happy with this choice of a game model then go play another game, this is how GW2 works and a lot of people are fine with it. They gave you a trial run for the raptor mount and that is what you get until you dish out, at the cheapest, wow, 30 whole bucks.

First of all i really don't care about the expansions.I could even buy them in the future if i played the game that long.I was a new player trying to play the game because it seems interesting and less grindy than LA.The fact is that unfortunate paywall message hit me at lvl 10(this so called trial) about something that (i personally think) is trivial in most mmo modern games.That is not the case here.The case is that 30 bucks is needed to experience the full game from the get go.That is not ok in my book what can i say the fact that they could not even consider giving players a free basic mount.

[Ashrala]

If you don't care, then don't play. If you don't want to except the fact that you need to pay to unlock all the mounts in the game then that is your problem. I've seen other a lot of seriously pay2win games stick their mounts in their cash shops where sometimes its 30 bucks for 1 mount! Yet, wow, the GW2 expansion will give 5 whole mounts to unlock plus more content! 30 bucks for 2 whole expansions worth! I'll take that deal and the comfort of no P2W cash shop and no gold sellers any day.

[Saber]

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Escrito originalmente por Ashrala:

If you haven't realized by now, the expansions are how Anet is making their money flow into the company. NO money = NO payment employees/development = NO game. The mounts were THE major part of the PoF expansion, this WILL NOT change no matter now much noise is made. GW2 is NOT like other MMOs, deal with it. If you are not happy with this choice of a game model then go play another game, this is how GW2 works and a lot of people are fine with it. They gave you a trial run for the raptor mount and that is what you get until you dish out, at the cheapest, wow, 30 whole bucks.

First of all i really don't care about the expansions.I could even buy them in the future if i played the game that long.I was a new player trying to play the game because it seems interesting and less grindy than LA.The fact is that unfortunate paywall message hit me at lvl 10(this so called trial) about something that (i personally think) is trivial in most mmo modern games.That is not the case here.The case is that 30 bucks is needed to experience the full game from the get go.That is not ok in my book what can i say the fact that they could not even consider giving players a free basic mount.

No
People did experience it fine with no mounts for 5 years . People are still experiencing it fine 10 years after launch still with no mounts .

I have my account with all of the expansions . If I want to do a dungeon I use a waypoint .
If I want to fight a world boss I use a waypoint .
If I want to do raids I waypoint .
If I want to pvp I queue up and gather some loot/fish/mine what ever else while I w8 for the q to pop


The only bit where mounts would give me some speed up is If I am using a brand new character and I want to unlock the specific bit of the map with him .

This year Nvidia had a promo with gw2 and you could pick up a core game key .
So I made an alt . Its just the core game .

And I can still do my dailys , guild missions , world bosses , dungeons , festivals and all other core game stuff fine .
For one simple reason core game has 31 maps and they on average have 16 waypoints each.
Would I be a bit faster If I could travel the last bit by mount Yes . Would it matter no .
If you want to get a good map for a world boss you need to show up early . So saving 10s of time by traveling the last bit by mount means nothing . You are still gonna spend few minutes sitting there with the rest of people and waiting for the boss fight/meta to start
If I want to do a dungeon I just need to be in the same map with the party I dont even need to be at the entrance .

For map complete considering you are a new player and that you dont have stacks of mats or gold just exploring the maps gathering any mats you see and taking parts in any events/hearts infront of you means a lot more then you think mounts do .

You cant even fight while on a mount or gather stuff .
So if you want a mining node you need to dismount
if you want to kill a mob for the event/heart you need to be on foot .
If you want to use a vista it will dismount you .

And even if you had the fastest mounts there are in game you would just run past all of the stuff on the map , not notice any of the details , miss out on a lot of xp/mats . And then be completely lost when you need to go back to do something .

[Taniks the Abomination]

people also do this with destiny 2

a F2P portion of an MMO isnt a full F2P GAME
You F2P players really need to invest more into gaming to understand the market more

[PuffyTheMagicalDragon]

TLDR

[Nico]

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Escrito originalmente por Ashrala:

If you haven't realized by now, the expansions are how Anet is making their money flow into the company. NO money = NO payment employees/development = NO game. The mounts were THE major part of the PoF expansion, this WILL NOT change no matter now much noise is made. GW2 is NOT like other MMOs, deal with it. If you are not happy with this choice of a game model then go play another game, this is how GW2 works and a lot of people are fine with it. They gave you a trial run for the raptor mount and that is what you get until you dish out, at the cheapest, wow, 30 whole bucks.

First of all i really don't care about the expansions.I could even buy them in the future if i played the game that long.I was a new player trying to play the game because it seems interesting and less grindy than LA.The fact is that unfortunate paywall message hit me at lvl 10(this so called trial) about something that (i personally think) is trivial in most mmo modern games.That is not the case here.The case is that 30 bucks is needed to experience the full game from the get go.That is not ok in my book what can i say the fact that they could not even consider giving players a free basic mount.

Well, that's the whole problem with the current situation. YOU personally think that mounts should be given out to every player. But that's just not the case in GW2, the first 5 years the game existed we simply had no mounts and had to go everywhere by foot. So that is the base game experience, and I guess also for Heart of Thorns, the first expansion.

Though I do agree on that I don't like this 10h trial for the Raptor. Since it makes the players really want to get the Raptor back once the time ran out, which I think is not so great and is clearly just put in so that it's more likely that the buy an expansion. I think they simply should not hand them out at all to free2play players, so they don't even get used to them in the first place and don't feel as forced to buy an expansion.

Also, you complain about not being able to experience the full game, but mounts are not part of the base game of GW2, so why should you even care about them? If you use them for central tyria you get a totally altered experience of the base game. Central Tyria was designed for you to walk around by foot. For example you can cheese several jumping puzzles by using mounts or gilders, which is clearly not intended, since they at least try to prevent that by having no mount or no gliding zones around them, but ... they're sometimes too small and you can cheese it anyways. But they at least try to prevent it.

Btw, fre2play is not free, just as a small hint. Free2play only means that you can play a significant part of the game for free, which the base game clearly is, even without mounts, or maybe even especially without mounts.

It feels like your problems are mostly personal nature, that is that you are too used to mounts from other games and that you are getting envy when you see other players running around with them. Simply accept that mounts are absolutely not needed and also not intended to have for the base game and you should have a much better experience. Back then it was really fun to try to maximize the speed in which you can around, like with signets that give a passive 25% movement speed buff, or trying to get swiftness for the 33% buff, or even using teleportation skills to get around quicker ... it was a really fun time back then, before mounts made everything trivial ....

[Naram Sin]

No thhe core game is F2P, what you got was an example of what you have if you buy POF or EOD as expansions, but You can play the complete core game without them, btw if You enjoy the game i don't see why You shouldn't pay, it's their job

[Constantine]

We're locking this thread as it has devolved into non-productive argument. Thanks for your understanding.