How can ppl like this game?

[BuradoShin]

Hearts give trash reward.
World bosses gives trash reward. \
Dungeons gives trash reward beside dungeon token.
Enemy drops gives trash reward.
Skill progressions stops after lvl 30.
Some zones are completely empty.
Dont need to grind for best armor since you can get orange gear cheap on trading post.
You feel zero reward for doing things.

[Plüschtiger]

Originally posted by Bloodyboo12:

Originally posted by Plüschtiger:

Then you can safely name the nonsense. (translated)

We have time and time again, and like you child you just say 'NO'. Maybe its time to move onto something else as we dont want you here and you arent accomplishing anything.

Plain text you don't want to or you can't. Understandable because they are facts. (translated)

[Xylion]

Originally posted by Plüschtiger:

Originally posted by Bloodyboo12:

We have time and time again, and like you child you just say 'NO'. Maybe its time to move onto something else as we dont want you here and you arent accomplishing anything.

Plain text you don't want to or you can't. Understandable because they are facts. (translated)

Actually most of them were giving you pretty factual responses. You just refused to listen to them and kept coming up with answers that are strongly affected by your personal preferences (like saying, "If I want to learn the vocabulary, I'll read a book - to the response that you got, that "the game has everything written down for you, you just have to read it.").
Honestly, at this point, considering you were here for several days, literally complaining about a game that you don't like and many others do, as other suggested, you might want to find a game that suits your personal taste, since Guild Wars 2 most definitely isn't something you enjoy playing, right?
Is there any other point trying to project your negative opinion on the players that have a positive one? Do you want them to say "you were right, the game is so bad, thanks for opening my eyes?" even though that's not the case at all? Seriously, get it to your head - different people like different things. Liking or disliking something doesn't automatically make the thing universally good or bad. they're personal preferences that might not reflect the most common perception of the topic, yet alone reflect the non-biased facts.

Now, the one thing that makes no sense at all when it comes to long-term negative opinionated people staying on here is this..
It's very logical, that the players who like this game will remain in this forum as it is partially part of the game as well.
But why do you insist in staying here, if you don't intend to play the game, nor do you even like it? What's the point focusing and spending your time and energy on the negative things in your life rather than the positive ones? At this point this is just petty.

[J4]

Started getting to know pvp at lvl 3. Been having a blast playing short matches with engineer without having to grind. Kind of like MOBAs. Don't really get much playing them except satisfaction from playing well on the occasional wins.

[Plüschtiger]

Originally posted by Xylion:

Originally posted by Plüschtiger:

Plain text you don't want to or you can't. Understandable because they are facts. (translated)

Actually most of them were giving you pretty factual responses. You just refused to listen to them and kept coming up with answers that are strongly affected by your personal preferences (like saying, "If I want to learn the vocabulary, I'll read a book - to the response that you got, that "the game has everything written down for you, you just have to read it.").
Honestly, at this point, considering you were here for several days, literally complaining about a game that you don't like and many others do, as other suggested, you might want to find a game that suits your personal taste, since Guild Wars 2 most definitely isn't something you enjoy playing, right?
Is there any other point trying to project your negative opinion on the players that have a positive one? Do you want them to say "you were right, the game is so bad, thanks for opening my eyes?" even though that's not the case at all? Seriously, get it to your head - different people like different things. Liking or disliking something doesn't automatically make the thing universally good or bad. they're personal preferences that might not reflect the most common perception of the topic, yet alone reflect the non-biased facts.

Now, the one thing that makes no sense at all when it comes to long-term negative opinionated people staying on here is this..
It's very logical, that the players who like this game will remain in this forum as it is partially part of the game as well.
But why do you insist in staying here, if you don't intend to play the game, nor do you even like it? What's the point focusing and spending your time and energy on the negative things in your life rather than the positive ones? At this point this is just petty.

Xylion, where have I ever written that I don't like the game? Exactly, nowhere. Just because I don't like the mechanics and some of the things in it doesn't mean the game is bad. That's the problem with the discussions. Criticism of details or arena = he hates the game and has to be called a troll.

It's far from factual when I address certain issues with the professions and a player comes up with a guide that responded to a comment I gave a player who was really factual. The reference to research.

What I want are 2 things and that should be clear. 1. honesty and 2. telling the players EVERYTHING. Don't just say, "Hey you can easily make gold." but "Hey, you can easily make gold, but you have to buy the expansion for it." What do you think is the next thing some players might do when they hear from all of you here that you can just make gold or whatever and then barely get 3 copper coins together in the game? It's you who created the next WoW fanboy and GW2 hater who calls GW2 players toxic. In another discussion, I have a GW2 player who openly says what he thinks, positive or negative, in a friendly manner. Where he shares my opinion, he does so, where not he contradicts it with his own arguments. I want that, Xylion.

I'll tell you how it is, just the days here with other GW2 players has badly damaged my opinion. I was hoping to find the same friendly and helpful demeanor here as in the game, but none of that shows here. Even in the game chat people are more open about GW2 problems than here. See today's entertainment in the "Map" for the meager 10th anniversary gifts for players. And yes, I also want to read "You're right." if i say something it's true because things like the "testimonies of desert (now jade) exploits" are first put into the bag and after right click + consume move into the wallet. In addition, you will certainly agree with me that leveling up a profession yourself is the point of the game. (translated)

[Xylion]

Originally posted by Plüschtiger:

Xylion, where have I ever written that I don't like the game? Exactly, nowhere. [/quote]
You've been arguing and making the game look bad since release. You clearly have big enough issues with it, otherwise you wouldn't spend hours of your time on here talking about it, would you?

Originally posted by Plüschtiger:

That's the problem with the discussions. Criticism of details or arena = he hates the game and has to be called a troll.

Not really, the main issue is the fact that some of you can't seem to understand that your opinion might (and in most cases isn't) a reflection of the common perception of it.
People have been telling you that you are entitled to have your own opinion, but that it's not the overall general opinion of the majority and therefore it doesn't really need fixing or changing.
It's similar to the other user asking to remove the jumping puzzles, because they get anxious doing them. From their point of view it's understandable why they can't do them (and they are most definitely entitled to have such opinion of them) - but the majority still like them precisely for what they are. That user understood that, but some of you can't seem to understand that. Some have an extreme, very over-exagerated and absurdly warped perception of something, to the point, where the only reasonable explanation is the person being a troll (for instance when some people say the game is dead and empty, that the community is toxic, that the game is p2w and milking it's players, etc.).

Originally posted by Plüschtiger:

It's far from factual when I address certain issues with the professions and a player comes up with a guide that responded to a comment I gave a player who was really factual. The reference to research.

If a person came up with a link, that debunked your innitial clame with factual info, yes, it's far more factual than a biased claim. That's kinda logical, isn't it?

Originally posted by Plüschtiger:

What I want are 2 things and that should be clear. 1. honesty and 2. telling the players EVERYTHING.

And again, it's fine to express your own opinion, but some of you are expressing your opinion as facts even though in many cases it's FAR from the common perception of things.

Originally posted by Plüschtiger:

Don't just say, "Hey you can easily make gold." but "Hey, you can easily make gold, but you have to buy the expansion for it."

to be fair, you can easily make gold even without buying the expansion.
Daily, fractals, world bosses, dungeons (it's actually really easy to make quite a lot of gold with the repeatable achievement many players are forgetting about) as well as meta events like silverwastes and drytop - and that's excluding the seasonal events which are also very common (wintersday, halloween, SAB, chinese new year, festival of 4 winds, dragon bash, and I'm sure I forgot some others).

Originally posted by Plüschtiger:

What do you think is the next thing some players might do when they hear from all of you here that you can just make gold or whatever and then barely get 3 copper coins together in the game?

You literally get 2g from the daily alone. See how you're overexagerating things that is completely biased?

Originally posted by Plüschtiger:

It's you who created the next WoW fanboy and GW2 hater who calls GW2 players toxic.

Because bringing facts on the table against negative people who clearly have none, is toxic. Right.

Originally posted by Plüschtiger:

In another discussion, I have a GW2 player who openly says what he thinks, positive or negative, in a friendly manner. Where he shares my opinion, he does so, where not he contradicts it with his own arguments.

Again, it's your opinion, not facts.
There are 3 stages when it comes to that.
1 can be factual,
1 can be biased and yet the most commonly perceived one, and
1 can be biased.
You, based on how you describe things more often than not fall in the 3rd category.
Many "fanboys" fall in the 2nd one, which is still okay, since perception (what players experience) of things is actually more important than the non-biased truth (which might be a bit different, but still leading to the 2nd option).

Originally posted by Plüschtiger:

I'll tell you how it is, just the days here with other GW2 players has badly damaged my opinion.

What damaged your opinion is your personal opinion of this game not being commonly shared with other players. That's on you, my man, not on the other players.

Originally posted by Plüschtiger:

I was hoping to find the same friendly and helpful demeanor here as in the game,

And if you check many other topics on here, you will.
However, players being friendly and helpful doesn't mean players being naive and silent in such cases. You were the one who are on the wrong side of things right now, not the rest of the players.

Originally posted by Plüschtiger:

And yes, I also want to read "You're right." if i say something it's true

Then I suggest you start saying things that are true and not heavily negative opinionated.
The best you can get is "you're absolutely right to have your own opinion, however this isn't true"

Originally posted by Plüschtiger:

In addition, you will certainly agree with me that leveling up a profession yourself is the point of the game. (translated)

Umm.. what? It's one of the things that you can do, of course. But far from the "point of the game", lol.

[BuradoShin]

Oh yeah also forgot to mention your level scale to zone level so you never feel like Boss.

[76561188078797539]

Originally posted by Plüschtiger:

"Hey, you can easily make gold, but you have to buy the expansion for it."

Uh... fractals are xpac-locked? Since when?

Originally posted by BuradoShin:

Oh yeah also forgot to mention your level scale to zone level so you never feel like Boss.

Wait till you're in ascended and go back to low level zones.

The scaling isn't 100%. I gotta say, I bloody love being a murderball after the engi rifle changes. Just running through a zone gunning down everything in half a second, kek.

[76561188078797539]

Originally posted by Xylion:

Coming to this game with the expectation of a generic mmo (gear hamsterwheel system) will only leave you dissappointed.

Disappointed how? That's still in the game. Even ignoring getting to level 80, you still go through exotics, ascended, and finally leggies.

You don't absolutely need to, which is a big plus for me, but it's still there. Especially hunting for those zone-currency ascended trinkets, heh.

[Xylion]

Originally posted by Sheepify:

Originally posted by Xylion:

Coming to this game with the expectation of a generic mmo (gear hamsterwheel system) will only leave you dissappointed.

Disappointed how? That's still in the game. Even ignoring getting to level 80, you still go through exotics, ascended, and finally leggies.

You don't absolutely need to, which is a big plus for me, but it's still there. Especially hunting for those zone-currency ascended trinkets, heh.

That's the thing - it's not needed.
In other mmos they literally force you to jump on that hamsterwheel. In Guild Wars they let you do whatever you want to do.
That's the main issue with videogames. People forgot what games are supposed to be.
As I've said in another post in this specific thread, I like gw2, precisely because I can do whatever I want and have fun doing it.
Sometimes I like doing endgame challenging content (chaos mode fractals, raids, etc.) other times I like having fun in dungeons and test random builds with friends that are far from meta (I remember having fun as a thief venom aura support, for instance),
sometimes I don't feel like doing anything productive and I just jump on my griffon and make my own tracks all over the world to fly around and have fun doing it.
On some other days, I equip my harp and flute and learn a new song.
Since ANET allows using macros (for instruments only), there are also times when I write macros for a instrumental duets (basically macro for instrument #1 playing the main melody and instrument #2 playing the accompanation melody that goes with the main one, often creating harmony etc. :). I will never forget when a few friends and I put our characters on autowalking while playing "we wish you a merry xmas" in a duet, in Lion's Arch during xmas.
I will also never forget my guildIies hosting a ♥♥♥♥ ton of random events in LA like hide and seek and trivia nights for everyone on the map, or things like exploring the hidden easter eggs and dropped info about the story etc.
It's because of these things that GW2 is such an amazing game. It lets you play the game in whichever way you want and in most cases, it will still give you rewards for just having fun in it.

[Sychon]

Originally posted by Sheepify:

Originally posted by Xylion:

Coming to this game with the expectation of a generic mmo (gear hamsterwheel system) will only leave you dissappointed.

Disappointed how? That's still in the game. Even ignoring getting to level 80, you still go through exotics, ascended, and finally leggies.

You don't absolutely need to, which is a big plus for me, but it's still there. Especially hunting for those zone-currency ascended trinkets, heh.

That's the point: you don't NEED to. Not like in some of other games where if you don't do the gear treadmill, you fall behind. That's a difference that causes so many to like GW2 and some to be discouraged.

[76561188078797539]

Right right, all I'm saying is how can you be disappointed by supposed lack of gear grind progression when GW2 does have that, if that's your poison. And you do get that sweet 15% stat bonus going from exotics to ascended (which can be quite a lot depending on the build, not all stats scale linearly), and later on the convenience of stat-swapping at will.

I think we're all agree, it's just contentious phrasing in play :)

[Xylion]

Originally posted by Sheepify:

Right right, all I'm saying is how can you be disappointed by supposed lack of gear grind progression when GW2 does have that, if that's your poison. And you do get that sweet 15% stat bonus going from exotics to ascended (which can be quite a lot depending on the build, not all stats scale linearly), and later on the convenience of stat-swapping at will.

I think we're all agree, it's just contentious phrasing in play :)

As Synchon also pointed out, it's because it's not the main focus in the game.
It's weird that they would get triggered by that, but ... 🤷‍♂️
(btw, the bonus that you get from going from exotic to ascended gear is 5%, not 15%)

[Sychon]

Originally posted by Sheepify:

Right right, all I'm saying is how can you be disappointed by supposed lack of gear grind progression when GW2 does have that, if that's your poison. And you do get that sweet 15% stat bonus going from exotics to ascended (which can be quite a lot depending on the build, not all stats scale linearly), and later on the convenience of stat-swapping at will.

I think we're all agree, it's just contentious phrasing in play :)

I would assume that if you "grow up" seeing nothing but the continuous grind to stay relevant, you end up identifying that as the only reason one should play a game.

[76561188078797539]

Originally posted by Xylion:

As Synchon also pointed out, it's because it's not the main focus in the game.
It's weird that they would get triggered by that, but ... 🤷‍♂️

Fair enough, felt like dismissal of something that exists in the game, but my coffee-befuddled brain might simply misread it completely :)

Originally posted by Xylion:

(btw, the bonus that you get from going from exotic to ascended gear is 5%, not 15%)

Is my face red now XD

But the point stands, this is not a linear increase, even if you ignore how much Celestial distro has of an advantage over any three-stat in terms of sheer general utility.

Anyway, carry on good gents, sorry for butting in with unnecessary pedantry.

[Xbob42]

Man, the slow but unstoppable march of video game rewards has completely rotted the minds of otherwise functional adults. I need my rewards and I need them now! Trigger my dopamine response! Feed me time-gated pleasure!