Bad game without proper storytelling and pay to win very well hidden

[i control market price]

The storytelling cuts every 10 levels and is barely existent, game does not carry out its executive functions for you AKA NO QUESTLINES like other RPGs, and they dare to call it a RPG LOL.

Pay to win is in WvW(mass pvp) and PVE where your gears matters. Even in small scale pvp, you need to pay gold to unlock some amulets(gears for pvp). Lie to yourself more and tell me thats not pay to win. I do think that having some pay to win is fine in games though since WoW has it as well and it was the most popular MMO but its definitely bad to have pay to win especially in a MMO where time input should be respected more.

Overall, do NOT play this game unless you are fine with a game that does not have any tutorials or quest to teach you how to play a game which MOST OTHER GAMES HAVE IT.

FFXIV and WoW would have been better in their current state if they do not have a subscription model.

Look at my profile and you can tell that i give serious and accurate reviews of games.

[Angoril]

With how mediocre the story is, be glad they didn't give more. One can only take so much of a studio ignoring their own lore to push a situation forward.

In WvW and PvE the gear does matter but it's a choice of either exotic that you can buy off of the trading post for cheap and ascended. Ascended, despite people being loud about it's usefulness, is only really needed for fractals. 11 out of 10 times a skilled player in exotic gear is gonna be much better than a monkey that just presses random buttons and wears ascended. PvP or PvE doesn't matter. The stuff you can unlock in SPvP are not game breaking. A build may benefit from one of those amulets or sigils but there are many to choose from that don't require to be purchased. On top of that, those things are quite cheap. A new player wouldn't be able to a afford them but a new player would be terrible in PvP regardless.

I find it funny that you call those things that really offer no advantage whatsoever P2W but being able to buy in-game gold flies under the radar. If there's one thing one could say about GW2 being P2W it would be that, the rest are just pointless as the game relies more on player skills than gear.

The "tutorials" are horrible. What they call a tutorial are small sentences, similar to what you find in free mobile games. A point that people have been asking ArenaNet to improve for many years but they have been ignoring for about as long.

[Sasori]

No one care, f off.

[i control market price]

If a game's story is bad, we should just ditch it instead of improving it? I am talking about how the story before 80 is so short and most of the content is locked behind the expansions and level of 80, like come on, I can't even play the game for the story or use the story to level AFTER PAYING FOR IT.

Gears in WvW and PvE matters regardless of whether you use exotic or ascended as a cutoff point, you still can PAY REAL MONEY to BUY GEMS TO CONVERT TO GOLD to BUY GEARS. So how is it not pay to win in the modes i mentioned? You CAN PAY REAL MONEY to PROGRESS FASTER THAN OTHER PEOPLE

[i control market price]

Originally posted by Sasori:

No one care, f off.

But people do care, it will be fun to watch the game die after people bombard it with negative reviews once it comes out on steam and they announce closure of their servers or put on life support like TERA, Heroes of the storm and tons of other games out there, then all your investment will go to naught HAHAHAA

[A Ravenous Panda]

Pvp is literally standardised and you can be competitive as soon as you leave the tutorial. Yes wvw uses your gear, ascended is a 13% stat difference. At the highest calibre pvp it might matter, but much of wvw is group on group where composition and timing is far more important. And nothing in gw2 is pay to win, it takes less than a month to get a full set of ascended gear if that's your goal for wvw. The only place it marginally matters is fractals of the mist, where id suggest natural progression through the tiers anyway. Stop spreading falsehoods.

[Angoril]

Originally posted by i control market price:

If a game's story is bad, we should just ditch it instead of improving it? I am talking about how the story before 80 is so short and most of the content is locked behind the expansions and level of 80, like come on, I can't even play the game for the story or use the story to level AFTER PAYING FOR IT.

Gears in WvW and PvE matters regardless of whether you use exotic or ascended as a cutoff point, you still can PAY REAL MONEY to BUY GEMS TO CONVERT TO GOLD to BUY GEARS. So how is it not pay to win in the modes i mentioned? You CAN PAY REAL MONEY to PROGRESS FASTER THAN OTHER PEOPLE

The story does not improve in the expansions, it's the same mediocre childish writing, now with more lore ignoring and deus ex machina situations. ArenaNet's writers simply aren't good enough, they never were. Having more story would change nothing. Also, this MMO doesn't use story to level, you could have figured that out with a simple search. You can play the game for the story once you pay for the expansions and the Living World episodes. It's not a free game, never was. You can try it out for free and then buy it if you like it, no different to FFXIV.

No they do not matter. Please if you haven't played the game enough don't try to act as if you know what you're talking about. Idiots that know about the game as much as build websites will tell them overvalue the usefulness of ascended gear but as I said, skills will outperform gear each and every time. Regardless if that's PvE or PvP. Feel free to play the game yourself and you can see it just fine.

If I hadn't brought up the ability to buy gold in the game, you wouldn't even know it mate so don't try to lecture me into what is and isn't in the game. Gear does not matter. Raids can easily be cleared in exotic gear. Exotic you can buy by giving around 20 gold... unless someone goes 1-80 in a couple days, everyone has that much by the time they hit level cap. Skills are always more important in GW2, this isn't WoW where player skills are secondary and gear is king.

[Jeeb'z]

Reading your monologue was quite funny to me for a few reasons
GW2 has flaws, but you pretty much missed everyone single one of them, and the things you talked about are either completly wrong or subjective

Story ? Yeah, the storymode of Vanilla GW2 is almost 10 years old, and it's not great, but hey, guess what ? In 10 years, there has been so much story content released, FOR FREE by the way, and this content has become so much better and better, reaching its peak with a masterclass Kralkatorrik arc, probably the best one I've had in any MMO so far

P2W ? Are you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ me ? Like, for real ?
First things first, after getting 80, you can get a full exotic build with only 3-4 hours of gameplay. The best gear in the game has 5% better stats than exotic, and takes maybe 15-20 hours to get after getting lvl 80.
Pay real money to convert into gems into gold ? I don't know how much money you wanna pay, but no one does that lmao. Golds are so expensive with euros, why would you ever do that, seing how you can easily get golds in the game

Not sure why you're so biaised and wanna ♥♥♥♥ on GW2 so much, but it's a great game, with a massive content thanks to the 9 years of content release that is still being relevant right now

[i control market price]

Originally posted by Jeeb'z:

Reading your monologue was quite funny to me for a few reasons
GW2 has flaws, but you pretty much missed everyone single one of them, and the things you talked about are either completly wrong or subjective

Story ? Yeah, the storymode of Vanilla GW2 is almost 10 years old, and it's not great, but hey, guess what ? In 10 years, there has been so much story content released, FOR FREE by the way, and this content has become so much better and better, reaching its peak with a masterclass Kralkatorrik arc, probably the best one I've had in any MMO so far

P2W ? Are you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ me ? Like, for real ?
First things first, after getting 80, you can get a full exotic build with only 3-4 hours of gameplay. The best gear in the game has 5% better stats than exotic, and takes maybe 15-20 hours to get after getting lvl 80.
Pay real money to convert into gems into gold ? I don't know how much money you wanna pay, but no one does that lmao. Golds are so expensive with euros, why would you ever do that, seing how you can easily get golds in the game

Not sure why you're so biaised and wanna ♥♥♥♥ on GW2 so much, but it's a great game, with a massive content thanks to the 9 years of content release that is still being relevant right now

I don't think you understand what I have said about the story, I did not say it isn't good, i said that it isn't in your journey towards 80 for the expansions' stories, which you pay for but YOU CAN'T EVEN PLAY THE STORY WHILE YOU LEVEL.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-to-play#Pay-to-win
"In some games, players who are willing to pay for special items, downloadable content, or to skip cooldown timers may be able to gain an advantage over those playing for free who might otherwise hardly be able to access said items. Such games are called "pay-to-win" (abbreviated as "P2W") by critics. In general a game is considered pay-to-win when a player can gain any gameplay advantage over their non-paying peers."

At the rate it is going, it won't be relevant soon in 2-3 years and all your time and money investments will be wasted. The game is SO BAD that even streamers like summit quitted in less than a month of play AND NEVER PLAYS IT AGAIN

Just watch as thousand of players swarm to give this game a NEGATIVE REVIEW the moment it comes out, hastening its DEATH

[Angoril]

Originally posted by Jeeb'z:

Pay real money to convert into gems into gold ? I don't know how much money you wanna pay, but no one does that lmao.

Where do you think the gold in the gold to gems exchange comes from? You think ArenaNet gives you gems that nobody paid for? Buying gold and lootboxes are the 2 things that make them the most money, I am pretty certain about that. Gear may not a good enough reason to buy gold for, even if you can circumvent every single wall they have and obtain ascended or legendary with great ease, you shouldn't forget the literal gambling that exists in the game, in the form of ectogambling. That can be 100% powered by your credit card and given the always filled up pool of gold in the exchange, ArenaNet has been taking advantage of a lot of people over the years.

[whiskey sour supernova]

You have to spend earnable currency to get better gear so the game is pay to win? What?

[mentenjambre]

i've been playing GW2 on and off for more than 8 years , and also played my share of other mmos, and i can say that what op just said is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥! , Gw2 it isn't a tottlay free to play game, ok we agree on that, but is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ far from pay to win!, all base game content is free the purchables on the gem store (microtransactions) are mostly cosmetic items and QoL items (more storage more characters slots etc..) and even in that case you can buy gems with in-game gold, sure there is a lot of cool stuff and new options behind the expansions, but all these content has still the same top ceiling of power from the base game (same max stats for gears and characters, and even in some modes the core clases are still in the meta) that i hasn't change in years!, the questing? yeah GW2 didn't work with the old ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ anoying system of talk to this npc to give you that anoying quest, it change it for the event's system, wich i find a lot more enjoyable, go to the maps explore and interact with the history of the map as it goes, and for the tutorial ♥♥♥♥... ... ... really queen? the basics (use WSAD for move and etc...) are taught in the mandatory first personal history mission that you must do with every new character, the rest is embed in the leveling system because it will be too much for a only one tutorial, (that's why the comunity always recomend never use those lv80 boosters on first characters) and yes please as op say look a his reviews and take your own conclusion

[i control market price]

Originally posted by mentenjambre:

i've been playing GW2 on and off for more than 8 years , and also played my share of other mmos, and i can say that what op just said is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥! , Gw2 it isn't a tottlay free to play game, ok we agree on that, but is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ far from pay to win!, all base game content is free the purchables on the gem store (microtransactions) are mostly cosmetic items and QoL items (more storage more characters slots etc..) and even in that case you can buy gems with in-game gold, sure there is a lot of cool stuff and new options behind the expansions, but all these content has still the same top ceiling of power from the base game (same max stats for gears and characters, and even in some modes the core clases are still in the meta) that i hasn't change in years!, the questing? yeah GW2 didn't work with the old ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ anoying system of talk to this npc to give you that anoying quest, it change it for the event's system, wich i find a lot more enjoyable, go to the maps explore and interact with the history of the map as it goes, and for the tutorial ♥♥♥♥... ... ... really queen? the basics (use WSAD for move and etc...) are taught in the mandatory first personal history mission that you must do with every new character, the rest is embed in the leveling system because it will be too much for a only one tutorial, (that's why the comunity always recomend never use those lv80 boosters on first characters) and yes please as op say look a his reviews and take your own conclusion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-to-play#Pay-to-win
"In some games, players who are willing to pay for special items, downloadable content, or to skip cooldown timers may be able to gain an advantage over those playing for free who might otherwise hardly be able to access said items. Such games are called "pay-to-win" (abbreviated as "P2W") by critics. In general a game is considered pay-to-win when a player can gain any gameplay advantage over their non-paying peers." You obviously can PAY FOR GEMS TO CHANGE TO GOLD AND BUY GEARS TO HAVE A GAMEPLAY ADVANTAGE

[TheTool]

Originally posted by i control market price:

Originally posted by mentenjambre:

i've been playing GW2 on and off for more than 8 years , and also played my share of other mmos, and i can say that what op just said is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥! , Gw2 it isn't a tottlay free to play game, ok we agree on that, but is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ far from pay to win!, all base game content is free the purchables on the gem store (microtransactions) are mostly cosmetic items and QoL items (more storage more characters slots etc..) and even in that case you can buy gems with in-game gold, sure there is a lot of cool stuff and new options behind the expansions, but all these content has still the same top ceiling of power from the base game (same max stats for gears and characters, and even in some modes the core clases are still in the meta) that i hasn't change in years!, the questing? yeah GW2 didn't work with the old ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ anoying system of talk to this npc to give you that anoying quest, it change it for the event's system, wich i find a lot more enjoyable, go to the maps explore and interact with the history of the map as it goes, and for the tutorial ♥♥♥♥... ... ... really queen? the basics (use WSAD for move and etc...) are taught in the mandatory first personal history mission that you must do with every new character, the rest is embed in the leveling system because it will be too much for a only one tutorial, (that's why the comunity always recomend never use those lv80 boosters on first characters) and yes please as op say look a his reviews and take your own conclusion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-to-play#Pay-to-win
"In some games, players who are willing to pay for special items, downloadable content, or to skip cooldown timers may be able to gain an advantage over those playing for free who might otherwise hardly be able to access said items. Such games are called "pay-to-win" (abbreviated as "P2W") by critics. In general a game is considered pay-to-win when a player can gain any gameplay advantage over their non-paying peers." You obviously can PAY FOR GEMS TO CHANGE TO GOLD AND BUY GEARS TO HAVE A GAMEPLAY ADVANTAGE

Pay to win? What advantage??
Can't wait for your exalted review. Just make sure you don't wuss out and leave the comments on.

[mikaturta]

Originally posted by i control market price:

Originally posted by mentenjambre:

i've been playing GW2 on and off for more than 8 years , and also played my share of other mmos, and i can say that what op just said is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥! , Gw2 it isn't a tottlay free to play game, ok we agree on that, but is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ far from pay to win!, all base game content is free the purchables on the gem store (microtransactions) are mostly cosmetic items and QoL items (more storage more characters slots etc..) and even in that case you can buy gems with in-game gold, sure there is a lot of cool stuff and new options behind the expansions, but all these content has still the same top ceiling of power from the base game (same max stats for gears and characters, and even in some modes the core clases are still in the meta) that i hasn't change in years!, the questing? yeah GW2 didn't work with the old ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ anoying system of talk to this npc to give you that anoying quest, it change it for the event's system, wich i find a lot more enjoyable, go to the maps explore and interact with the history of the map as it goes, and for the tutorial ♥♥♥♥... ... ... really queen? the basics (use WSAD for move and etc...) are taught in the mandatory first personal history mission that you must do with every new character, the rest is embed in the leveling system because it will be too much for a only one tutorial, (that's why the comunity always recomend never use those lv80 boosters on first characters) and yes please as op say look a his reviews and take your own conclusion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-to-play#Pay-to-win
"In some games, players who are willing to pay for special items, downloadable content, or to skip cooldown timers may be able to gain an advantage over those playing for free who might otherwise hardly be able to access said items. Such games are called "pay-to-win" (abbreviated as "P2W") by critics. In general a game is considered pay-to-win when a player can gain any gameplay advantage over their non-paying peers." You obviously can PAY FOR GEMS TO CHANGE TO GOLD AND BUY GEARS TO HAVE A GAMEPLAY ADVANTAGE

There is a very important part of the definition that you gloss over. "to gain an advantage over those playing for free *who might otherwise hardly be able to access said items.*"

None of the items that allows progression or to be at the same level of other players is hard to get by just playing the game. None.

Sure it will take a bit more time than if you just buy the gold, but It's far from falling into the "hardly be able to access said items" category. It's easy.

[SmokingChild]

Originally posted by i control market price:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-to-play#Pay-to-win
"In some games, players who are willing to pay for special items, downloadable content, or to skip cooldown timers may be able to gain an advantage over those playing for free who might otherwise hardly be able to access said items. Such games are called "pay-to-win" (abbreviated as "P2W") by critics. In general a game is considered pay-to-win when a player can gain any gameplay advantage over their non-paying peers." You obviously can PAY FOR GEMS TO CHANGE TO GOLD AND BUY GEARS TO HAVE A GAMEPLAY ADVANTAGE

You could buy exotic gear from the Trading Post and I could still beat your ass with green gear from 2012.

Your example is more like "pay-to-be-dumb" because gear barely matters, it's more about skill and knowledge of your class.

If that's your pay-to-win argument, it doesn't work.