time 2 kill to low

[F.O.A.M]

you can go full tank with items and most of the characters can still chunk 80% of your hp with 1 button.
this is just dumb. why even have frontliner when you cant play frontline?
this game will die if this keeps up. as it is now only the burst dps and the healers are usefull in any way as its pointless playing anything else and the healers are only usefull because they can move while ressing, wont be much healing when everyone gets 1shot. why whittle down the hp when you can 1shot the enemy instead

[Zaeyron]

This is simply not true, some of the most efficient characters in top ranked games right now is oath, the shield guy, for his ability to be a frontline precisely.

it will take time for people to learn how to play properly, but frontline is NOT weak atm

[F.O.A.M]

Originally posted by Zaeyron:

This is simply not true, some of the most efficient characters in top ranked games right now is oath, the shield guy, for his ability to be a frontline precisely.

it will take time for people to learn how to play properly, but frontline is NOT weak atm

obv the guy with a rein shield can do hes job, the other ones cant however.
sniper hits you once and marks you, next shot you die with 2 tank items. lightning girl hits you with 3 autos and 1taps you with a movement skill

[WolfGoneIncognito]

Armor, item choice and positioning are also big factors in time to kill The practice area is a great way to try out various combinations of items and try balance mana regen, Max HP and Ability power. I usually skill the leap ability (L Shift) first or second level to give me an early game way to dodge or manoeuvre in early game fights.

[F.O.A.M]

Originally posted by WolfGoneIncognito:

Armor, item choice and positioning are also big factors in time to kill The practice area is a great way to try out various combinations of items and try balance mana regen, Max HP and Ability power. I usually skill the leap ability (L Shift) first or second level to give me an early game way to dodge or manoeuvre in early game fights.

this frustration comes from arena, where everyone has the same skillpoints and item tiers. with an even playground there are 2 characters that are simply stronger than any other in the game by a mile because of their 1shot potential they have on EVERY enemy in the game.
a game focused around strategy and skill should not be won with 1 action, it should be won with a slew of actions. sniper and lightning-girl ignore that rule

[Akarin]

Some melee characters simply need a higher hidden armor value then they currently have, kingpins a good example of that.

Elluna is also objectively the worst support character due to this problem, she can heal a lot for sure but healing a lot is not valuable in a burst meta compared to a burst healer who can also do actual damage like zeph whos basically a melee fighter with healing, just compare his ult to elluna to see how bad her ult truly is.

[KimiRei]

Originally posted by Akarin:

Some melee characters simply need a higher hidden armor value then they currently have, kingpins a good example of that.

Elluna is also objectively the worst support character due to this problem, she can heal a lot for sure but healing a lot is not valuable in a burst meta compared to a burst healer who can also do actual damage like zeph whos basically a melee fighter with healing, just compare his ult to elluna to see how bad her ult truly is.

That is sad because Elluna is so cute. I love her 😄 I do hope they add more support hunters soon though!

[Phoardmeister]

Not true at all. Oath is Tanky, Felix is also really tanky and can get big shields. Both initiators can be pretty tanky. Also, i think you just inexperienced. Good groups do better pve and then out level you. Only people 2-3 levels higher than you with better items oneshot you. Otherwise tanks are pretty tanky and with a hypevive you can retreat and be back full hp in 4 seconds.

Yes, TTK is low if you get hit by more than 1 person, and shrike dmg is pretty overtuned. Other than that its pretty balanced and tanks can be tanky.

[InVader]

Originally posted by großer Schwanz:

Originally posted by Zaeyron:

This is simply not true, some of the most efficient characters in top ranked games right now is oath, the shield guy, for his ability to be a frontline precisely.

it will take time for people to learn how to play properly, but frontline is NOT weak atm

obv the guy with a rein shield can do hes job, the other ones cant however.
sniper hits you once and marks you, next shot you die with 2 tank items. lightning girl hits you with 3 autos and 1taps you with a movement skill

Joule needs 4 stacks of lightning and getting even 3 stacks in is usually extremely dangerous and takes forever. If she's out of position, she dies before even getting the 3rd in. If you let her hit you that many times, you're seriously awful at the game. In fact I'm now using the hybrid build for her whenever we don't have an Oath on team, because that's how squishy she is.

The sniper is only a tiny bit OP, because she can dish out damage from safety, that's it. She doesn't have more damage than anyone else, she just has an easier time dealing it.

[F.O.A.M]

Originally posted by InVader:

Originally posted by großer Schwanz:

obv the guy with a rein shield can do hes job, the other ones cant however.
sniper hits you once and marks you, next shot you die with 2 tank items. lightning girl hits you with 3 autos and 1taps you with a movement skill

The sniper is only a tiny bit OP, because she can dish out damage from safety, that's it. She doesn't have more damage than anyone else, she just has an easier time dealing it.

you are both delusional and have a severe reading problem if you think this. dealing 80% of a tanks hp in the second shot IS op. thats a fact, and if you think im wrong then you are wrong. that simple

[Bolita El Pentelito]

ur just bad at the game...

[z3ll]

looks like someone died to Joule and haven't read her abilities, instead they wrote an ignorant post lmao.

[Generalflood]

idk seems fine 2 me lol, I knw some people just like higher ttk games i guess but that just means its not for you

[polyamorous]

with all the mobility and the 1shot potential over ledges you kinda need it tbh. the only thing i find annoying is the ranged no-wall stun that the moon rat healer got. in 4v4 it's a deathsentence, but maybe i just dont know enough to handle it

[Harlo]

nah

[1990S REDUX]

agree, its need to be like in dota2 , tank is tank... healer is healiner with low hp, dmg dealer can make alot of dmg, need balance ,like in pro tournaments 3v3 world of warcraft , healer tank dmg dealer and etc. people need to make teamplay !!!!!!!!!!!!!