Arsenal effect

[TyroRNG]

Not 100% sure if the -25% effect is on the new item or on all items.
If it is on all items, is it still worth it?

[Shadowwolf]

It's only on the new item.

[Remeko]

It's on all items for me. Placing the arsenal results on the "regen per sec" on all future items to be .5, 1.0, 1.6 etc instead of .6, 1.2, 1.8. It probably affects the other stats, too.

[arianrhod]

100% worth it

[Mister Veeg]

the extra slot seems super worth.

[Doombringer]

Retaliation adds a LOT of damage for warrior, seems worth it.
(and yes, it is -15% all items)

[CPT Chthonbeard the Pirate]

Originally posted by TyroRNG:

Not 100% sure if the -25% effect is on the new item or on all items.
If it is on all items, is it still worth it?

It's -15%, and it's off the quality level of new gear. It's situationally worth it for each class as they get new functionality from the new piece that they can use:
Warrior get Helmets that give Retaliation damage
Rogues get Necklace that give Magic HP
Necromancers get Shields that give Armor (and more options for necromancer stats)

Note: It's not a direct reduction of stats. It's a reduction of quality level, meaning that for the level of the gear, the bonuses will be 15% lower level. I.e. Level 20 gear will use Level 17 stats.

[VAR]

Generally only a 100% pick on Warrior, debatable on Rogue, never on Necro

[.//slayer]

Originally posted by WAR:

Generally only a 100% pick on Warrior, debatable on Rogue, never on Necro

You're missing out on an extra Skeleton on Necro if you don't take it. Other bonuses like attack speed and skeleton level, too, which are valuable before you set up your forests.

[TyroRNG]

And high attack speed/ damage rogue + magic armor often means you kill everything before it even touches your healthpool

[Neyreyan_Youtube]

I think the description is broken or something because on warrior i can't reach the same evasion or other stats if i get the arsenal. yeah the retaliation is good but you give too much of your versability.
It seems like a bigger gamble to me, probably will be more useful if you get more upgrade and better cards.
I just wish it had the exact wording and numbers because it's pretty misleading
I tried it on necro, was a disaster, the shields don't do anything good for a necro

[Tyrant]

It's NOT 15%, and it's also not consistent across all stats.
Some stats like Summon Quality for necro go down from 26% to 18%, you'll see similar changes for the rogue's items.

Generally, it's not worth it right now - running arsenal means that all of your regular items are rarely ever good enough, and you have ONE slot to fix all of the missing different stats.

For some stats, you don't even get more stats from running arsenal, with 5 items that give summon quality using arsenal, you'll be at around 90% quality - without arsenal, 4 items gets you over 100%.

[Aieonae]

Oh? Thanks for the info guys

[Tyrant]

Originally posted by CPT Chthonbeard the Pirate:

Note: It's not a direct reduction of stats. It's a reduction of quality level, meaning that for the level of the gear, the bonuses will be 15% lower level. I.e. Level 20 gear will use Level 17 stats.

This is just straight up wrong, btw - it reduces the base values for all item rolls, it might also reduce quality level but who knows.

You'll see stats on items you already own change once you build or oblivion it, check them out before/after if you want a direct comparison. Don't compare lvl 1-4 items as they're often heavily understatted either way.

[glenn3e]

The Magic hp on the Rogue makes it very worth it. And the extra Skele for the Necro.

[SalleStar]

Further testing proves that quality loss is closer to 30-35% across ALL gear.
Unless amulet is extremely important on Rogue I dont see any use for arsenal anymore in its current state.