Their Own Peril + Ruins is overpowered

[CrateEyeHowl]

It's fun, and considering it takes a little ingenuity to get the synergy, I'm not totally in favor of removing it, but as it stands it makes bosses very easy. I went from not being able to get to the Hunter in level 4 to killing Omega on my first try. All you have to do is put Ruins on the first tile past the campfire, so by the time you loop around you have 4 worms backing you up in the boss fight.

[Morphic]

Huh, I never thought to try that. That's a neat idea if you don't have a lot of Camp Items. (Gotta love the reliability of Storm Temple stack + Mirrors)

Iirc Peril has a 60% chance to deflect, so that's a 40% chance to get hit. I wouldn't rely on that since worms shoot quite fast, so a few bad rolls can cause a lot of extra damage. But the potential extra damage does make it worth the risk.

[Alex_x86]

Aren't you running into the risk of getting shot by worms during boss fight? I usually put Ruins on the next tile after the village and make sure that there is a blood grove so no escaping from my hero.

[CrateEyeHowl]

Originally posted by Alex_x86:

Aren't you running into the risk of getting shot by worms during boss fight?

You're guaranteed to get shot by the worms. However, boss fights are strictly a war of attrition, you just need the boss to die before you do, and 60% of the damage is going to the boss (not even counting your evade/defense/etc.) so it's a plus. Maybe it wouldn't help low-level characters who have much less survivability but that's a moot point since you need to beat the Hunter to unlock Their Own Peril.

[Jean]

Their Own Peril is an interesting way to kill boss in special situation, particularly in naked (and no supplies) runs. I tried it a few times way back then, it works but I wouldn't consider it op.

[Alex_x86]

Originally posted by CrateEyeHowl:

Originally posted by Alex_x86:

Aren't you running into the risk of getting shot by worms during boss fight?

You're guaranteed to get shot by the worms. However, boss fights are strictly a war of attrition, you just need the boss to die before you do, and 60% of the damage is going to the boss (not even counting your evade/defense/etc.) so it's a plus. Maybe it wouldn't help low-level characters who have much less survivability but that's a moot point since you need to beat the Hunter to unlock Their Own Peril.

I'll be honest I haven't took this ability on my current playthrough since I was playing strictly necromancer and I did not wanted to clutter the skill pool with almost anything. By the time Omega shows up I already have over 200 attack speed and at least 6 skeletons. By end of the fight I usually loose less than 3rd of the health bar (most of the times I loose health due to he wipes out "Max skeleton" ability and I have to fight on my own for few seconds).

[The Face]

I mean, ruins are garbage outside of cheesey lamp abuse so I welcome it as a choice