Would this game have been better if it was PVE?

[Zen]

just me? I would like you know your thoughts

[*! Akster !*]

? Its a Counter Strike clone. Theres been dozens of them over the years.

[Muxxer]

Originally posted by *! Akster !*:

? Its a Counter Strike clone. Theres been dozens of them over the years.

Counter-Strike clone? Last time I checked CS was not a hero-based third person shooter. This is a Valorant ripoff made explicitly to appeal to the weeb crowd so that, in their delusion, they'll fall in love with 3D models and start wasting unholy amounts of money on cosmetics.

The quality of the game is really good, but gameplay wise it's lacking, it's not a serious game, even Valorant is better (and lord, Valorant is awful); this is just a cashgrab.

[RÆP]

pve is boring slop.

[Magaleta]

It would be good to add a PvE story campaign.

Originally posted by Muxxer:

The quality of the game is really good, but gameplay wise it's lacking, it's not a serious game, even Valorant is better (and lord, Valorant is awful); this is just a cashgrab.

And for me, Valorant is worse in every way.

[Cressur]

The production capacity of the manufacturer is low. They already had relevant plans, but due to their level of expertise, they did not come up with them.

[Paff]

This is what snowbreak should look like honestly... design wise, gun play, etc...

[Kyubox]

The funniest thing they could do is add a PVE story mode, which would technically make it have more content than Overwatch 2

[ANIM Rawrs]

Hmm i dont know there is already more then enough pve anime related games. I dont see many high competative shooters in anime form to be honest.

So i dont think it would be better if it was PvE as i wouldnt play it then. If i want PvE ill just watch a anime, its about as interactive.

[Nepnep]

Originally posted by *! Akster !*:

? Its a Counter Strike clone. Theres been dozens of them over the years.

Nah. Its OverwatchxValorant. I see similar abilities and some maps are definitely OW maps.

Which is "good" because both Blizzard and whoever ran Valorant are on my sh1tlist.

[Baphomeat]

Originally posted by Muxxer:

This is a Valorant ripoff

1. Something else existing doesn't make a new version of that thing a 'Rip Off'. There are similarities but it's mostly in name.

Valorant Controllers > Bubble smokes > Blinds > Large vision cut offs.
Strinova Controllers > Some have 'Smokes' but often those are late game upgrades, none of them have blinds and actually have things that debuff enemies. on their only active abilities.

Valorant Abilities > Each Agent has atleast 3, some have 4.
Strinova Abilities > 1 Active, 1 Passive, 1 Ultimate for EVERYONE.

Now if there was something like a carbon copy valorant characters I might agree with you but this is as much of a Valorant 'Rip off' as Call of Duty is a 'Rip off' of Medal of Honor... or Lords of the Fallen is for Dark Souls. A genre does not constitute 'rip off' and people like you pushing this narrative are actively making the rest of the people who are on the fence more ignorant because you're simply factually wrong.

2. Valorant is Counter Strike with abilities... Valorant, Counter Strike, and Strinova are all in the same genre... Strinova atleast mixes in a few other games not just Bomb Planting...

3. There is a fundamental difference that blows this whole concept of 'rip off' out of the water... Valorant is about slow methodical gameplay and attempting to land headshots... Headshots are important in Strinova but it's got more of an Overwatch gameplay vibe to it rather than Valorant. Again it's a member of the genre of Arena Shooters at large rather than a rip off of any one game... and unlike other games that copied the formula the agents here are all pretty unique in design and skills... some concepts are just fundamentally good...

Viper Ultimate is just, Is just Caustics ultimate, is just Merediths ultimate, is just Electric Smoke ability from Titan Fall. A large aoe Dust/Gas/etc that deals damage and blinds.... it's even used in other games in other formats. Tear Gas in some shooters, Singed smoke from League, Freya in God of War has a poison smoke cloud, Scarlet Rot clouds from Remnant 1 & 2, even Dungeons and Dragons has ability that does the same thing. This is an example of a fundamentally good design for an ability that forces players to play around the mechanic while it's active.

I could go on but my point has been made... you can dislike the game which you seem to half do... 'games good but it's worse than valorant which is awful'... I don't think you know what your actual stance on the game actually is frankly. I've no idea if the game has longevity but unlike you being all negative and sh*t... i'm just enjoying it while it's around... if it takes off cool... if not... i'm enjoying it.

[Cyber Von Cyberus]

I'm not sure considering how awful the AI of the bots that fill the rank of each match is.

[Nepnep]

Originally posted by Baphomeat:

Originally posted by Muxxer:

This is a Valorant ripoff

1. Something else existing doesn't make a new version of that thing a 'Rip Off'. There are similarities but it's mostly in name.

Valorant Controllers > Bubble smokes > Blinds > Large vision cut offs.
Strinova Controllers > Some have 'Smokes' but often those are late game upgrades, none of them have blinds and actually have things that debuff enemies. on their only active abilities.

Valorant Abilities > Each Agent has atleast 3, some have 4.
Strinova Abilities > 1 Active, 1 Passive, 1 Ultimate for EVERYONE.

Now if there was something like a carbon copy valorant characters I might agree with you but this is as much of a Valorant 'Rip off' as Call of Duty is a 'Rip off' of Medal of Honor... or Lords of the Fallen is for Dark Souls. A genre does not constitute 'rip off' and people like you pushing this narrative are actively making the rest of the people who are on the fence more ignorant because you're simply factually wrong.

2. Valorant is Counter Strike with abilities... Valorant, Counter Strike, and Strinova are all in the same genre... Strinova atleast mixes in a few other games not just Bomb Planting...

3. There is a fundamental difference that blows this whole concept of 'rip off' out of the water... Valorant is about slow methodical gameplay and attempting to land headshots... Headshots are important in Strinova but it's got more of an Overwatch gameplay vibe to it rather than Valorant. Again it's a member of the genre of Arena Shooters at large rather than a rip off of any one game... and unlike other games that copied the formula the agents here are all pretty unique in design and skills... some concepts are just fundamentally good...

Viper Ultimate is just, Is just Caustics ultimate, is just Merediths ultimate, is just Electric Smoke ability from Titan Fall. A large aoe Dust/Gas/etc that deals damage and blinds.... it's even used in other games in other formats. Tear Gas in some shooters, Singed smoke from League, Freya in God of War has a poison smoke cloud, Scarlet Rot clouds from Remnant 1 & 2, even Dungeons and Dragons has ability that does the same thing. This is an example of a fundamentally good design for an ability that forces players to play around the mechanic while it's active.

I could go on but my point has been made... you can dislike the game which you seem to half do... 'games good but it's worse than valorant which is awful'... I don't think you know what your actual stance on the game actually is frankly. I've no idea if the game has longevity but unlike you being all negative and sh*t... i'm just enjoying it while it's around... if it takes off cool... if not... i'm enjoying it.

This game is basically OWxValorant.

Many characters share abilities. The black ball of blind skill for one. Smoke grenades also work like Valorant. And one character's gun is basically Widowmaker. Escort map almost exactly the same as OW.
If you search hard enough, I'm pretty sure other characters are probably ported from various other shooters. If anything, the only creative part of this game is becoming paper.

[Baphomeat]

Originally posted by Nepnep:

This game is basically OWxValorant.

Many characters share abilities. The black ball of blind skill for one. Smoke grenades also work like Valorant. And one character's gun is basically Widowmaker. Escort map almost exactly the same as OW.
If you search hard enough, I'm pretty sure other characters are probably ported from various other shooters. If anything, the only creative part of this game is becoming paper.

ONE character in this game has a ball 'blind' (blinds are not smokes fyi) and as I stated it's a LATE GAME UPGRADE. The 'black ball' you are referring to is Omens smoke which also behaves VERY differently...

Madelena's smoke orb hovers slightly above where her slow lands and disappears when the slow disappears or when a player walks into it.

Valorant smokes behave like this:

Omen - Casts it to a specific spot in 3D space (even through walls) where it floats for a second then slowly floats down to somewhere where it settles and sits for the duration.

Viper - She tosses out a grenade and the orb eminates from that spot, she can then go pick it up and relocate it, it also decays HP temporarily while active.

Clove - Similar to Omens except when she spawns it it just sits on the 'best' surface below where you place it on the map.

Jett - She tosses a ball that can be curved mid air and rests where she casts it suspending in the air if it can with a VERY short duration.

Astra - can be placed in her 'astral' form and then activated later. (There is more too it but Astra sucks so... yea).

Cypher - Places down a trap that he can triggered to open in to a roughly 6' cylinder, when an enemy enters they are revealed to him and his team.

Harbor - Conjurs a ball of 'water' with a layer of armor providing protection along with vision limitations.

Maddies is a loose combination of Sages glass shard floor attack and CAN be upgraded to have a sorta Jett-like smoke ontop.

Merediths is a combinaton of Vipers gas mixed with an upgrade to Cyphers cage.

Yvette has a VERY unique kit for the controller class... Ice? That's actually quite novel Valorant doesn't have that and the only game I can think of is Mei from Overwatch but her kit is still quite different and Evie from Paladins which is also vastly different.

Reiichis wall behaves like a Symmetra wall or Astra wall but CAN block bullets.

Don't know about Yugiri cause she's not on Global yet.

So... tell me again how the smokes are 1:1?

A smoke Grenade... behaves like a smoke grenade? You know where else that happens? Murder 4 in VRChat or real life... unless you're talking about Viper which is... already been debunked.

Widowmakers gun? Which agent if you can remember? Cause like that's just a toggleable rifle... the VSS Vintorez can do that, along with several other guns, and as I stated some abilities are just good concepts.

The ONLY thing I 100% agree with you is one map is exactly a 1:1 for Overwatch... and while it is... interesting they do change it and, in my opinion, make it better with a few new paths and cubbies. That one map is the CLOSEST and only thing that really constitutes 'Rip off' in this game.

Your whole argument of 'look hard enough' falls apart when you remember there is no original ideas... abilities that block sight have existed for a VERY long time, Valorant just normalized the form factor of a Sphere... much like action adventure has has existed for a long time Dark Souls just normalized a 'you drop your 'money' on death' mechanic in them.

If you look hard enough at anything, the concepts have been stolen.

Winston? He's a batman villain.

Soldier 76? He's just every grizzled war vet in any game ever.

Omen? He's just any tragic monster created by science gone awry.

Warwick is just a generic Werewolf... fully complete with the moral struggle of how much of him is beast vs how much is man.

Strinova doesn't need to come up with wholly new concepts... it just needs to do something meaningful with the concepts it uses... more Meredith vs Viper and less of the OW Map copying though.

[Mr.Kill]

I would like to see PVE but not sure what form would be best.

[Luxaeterna]

TDM is mostly PvE, with bots mixed in with players.