F-UCHSIA'S ABILITY IS TRASH

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DON'T KNOW WHERE THE ENEMY IS ? GOOD JUST PRESS A BUTTON ! WOW WHAT AN AMAZING GAME MECHANIC , NOW YOU HAVE WALLHACKS BY PRESSING A SINGLE BUTTON , GENIUS , WHO COULD HAVE THOUGHT OF SUCH AN AMAZINGLY NUANCED SKILL BASED MECHANIC ? EINSTEIN OF COURSE !

It's crazy how the game is even self aware that THERE IS NO COUNTER TO THIS AND MOCKS YOU TELLING "RUN ! " WOW REALLY ?

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Nguyên văn bởi Royal676111:

You do realise Fuschia isn't even the best/most annoying character in this game and the fact that E basically announce every enemy near you that hey I am nearby, so no it isn't just hehe free wallhacks, I win because of the following.

A: It's has a duration that doesn't last long, like no seriously it's feel like its last for only a couple of seconds
B: Warns every enemy that you are nearby.
C: Only Fuschia can see with her E
D: We have wallhacks already present in this game except...your team can also see them from Lawine Passive and E, Nobunaga Awakening 2 and ult, etc. Except most of them last a lot longer can your team can see.
E: She isn't even a strongest character, her downside of being selfish and needing to snowball, mean she at best a B or low A tier character

Like I don't get it, sure she can be strong but she sure the hell doesn't break the game, heck one of the character has a one way wall with high damage DMR but even then he wasn't top tier so what you think of a character that has temporary wallhacks will perform...not as good as you expect.

F-uchsia has the best defender gun + Wallhack ( wich can be extended with upgrades )

Also i never argued that she is broken , i argued that it doesn't make sense to have wallhack as the REWARD for being able to press a Button.
The first rule of game balance is that the stronger an ability is the harder it should be to pull it off , well Wallhack is the best ability by far and pressing a button is the EASIEST thing to do.

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Nguyên văn bởi Malamasala:

Nguyên văn bởi Nepnep:

This. The only reason I main her is because I like her design and VA.

Her gun feels pretty accurate and strong as well. But her skill is usually not good at all except to give yourself an early warning that "Around the corner there will be an enemy".

It's the best ability ( Ultimates excluded ) in 1 vs 1

[dukci]

Nguyên văn bởi ¤RAV¤ Jesus:

Nguyên văn bởi Royal676111:

You do realise Fuschia isn't even the best/most annoying character in this game and the fact that E basically announce every enemy near you that hey I am nearby, so no it isn't just hehe free wallhacks, I win because of the following.

A: It's has a duration that doesn't last long, like no seriously it's feel like its last for only a couple of seconds
B: Warns every enemy that you are nearby.
C: Only Fuschia can see with her E
D: We have wallhacks already present in this game except...your team can also see them from Lawine Passive and E, Nobunaga Awakening 2 and ult, etc. Except most of them last a lot longer can your team can see.
E: She isn't even a strongest character, her downside of being selfish and needing to snowball, mean she at best a B or low A tier character

Like I don't get it, sure she can be strong but she sure the hell doesn't break the game, heck one of the character has a one way wall with high damage DMR but even then he wasn't top tier so what you think of a character that has temporary wallhacks will perform...not as good as you expect.

F-uchsia has the best defender gun + Wallhack ( wich can be extended with upgrades )

Also i never argued that she is broken , i argued that it doesn't make sense to have wallhack as the REWARD for being able to press a Button.
The first rule of game balance is that the stronger an ability is the harder it should be to pull it off , well Wallhack is the best ability by far and pressing a button is the EASIEST thing to do.

> i argued that it doesn't make sense to have wallhack as the REWARD for being able to press a Button.

Lawine (team walls, safe to use)
Michelle (deploy and forget, passive)
reiichi A3 (deploy and forget, team walls,, AND vision denial)
nobunaga A2 (deploy and forget, team walls)
kanami (admittedly not too great but at least gives team walls, safe to use)
galatea (weakest of the bunch scan wise but they are the most immediately threatening imo guaranteed info most of the time)

Yet fuchsia's q is stronger than them despite:
only scanning for herself
only scanning very briefly
requiring relatively close proximity to reveal targets
requiring she herself to entry for it to be threatening

literally the only edge her scan has over the others is that its immediate, theres NO other advantage. Yes its a reward for pressing q, Q is the button u press to use ur ability which gives value to u or ur team thats how the game works lol

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Nguyên văn bởi dukci:

Nguyên văn bởi ¤RAV¤ Jesus:

F-uchsia has the best defender gun + Wallhack ( wich can be extended with upgrades )

Also i never argued that she is broken , i argued that it doesn't make sense to have wallhack as the REWARD for being able to press a Button.
The first rule of game balance is that the stronger an ability is the harder it should be to pull it off , well Wallhack is the best ability by far and pressing a button is the EASIEST thing to do.

> i argued that it doesn't make sense to have wallhack as the REWARD for being able to press a Button.

Lawine (team walls, safe to use)
Michelle (deploy and forget, passive)
reiichi A3 (deploy and forget, team walls,, AND vision denial)
nobunaga A2 (deploy and forget, team walls)
kanami (admittedly not too great but at least gives team walls, safe to use)
galatea (weakest of the bunch scan wise but they are the most immediately threatening imo guaranteed info most of the time)

Yet fuchsia's q is stronger than them despite:
only scanning for herself
only scanning very briefly
requiring relatively close proximity to reveal targets
requiring she herself to entry for it to be threatening

literally the only edge her scan has over the others is that its immediate, theres NO other advantage. Yes its a reward for pressing q, Q is the button u press to use ur ability which gives value to u or ur team thats how the game works lol

I NEVER argued that F-uchsia's Q skill is STRONGER THEN ANYTHING , you are not READING , i'm ARGUING THE GAME DESIGN FLAW of having a ULTRA POWERFUL skill being the reward for ZERO EFFORT.

Yes you can argue OTHER characters skills are similary or a lot WORSE then F-uchsi's and i could easily agree.

Do you understand ?

[Aimee]

Ive seen many players using Fuchsia and not being able to look around them with the enemies they mark.
In good hands most skills can be powerful, even activate and profit/forget. And most skills can also be countered with similar skill.

I dont see Fuchsia's ''Q'' being all that strong, her Q duration is very short so being a one button press is honnestly in line with the result. Ming her Q is also one button press, so is her ult, similar power and effect for the same amount of effort.
I get the idea that one button ability activation seems strong or unwanted. But in a pvp shooter you cant exactly make every ability a quick-time event, since that does not work either. For stronger or longer lasting abilities, having multiple imputs required or a longer activation animation makes sense. But when something is rather short or weak, it would just bog down gameplay.

[dukci]

Nguyên văn bởi ¤RAV¤ Jesus:

Nguyên văn bởi dukci:

> i argued that it doesn't make sense to have wallhack as the REWARD for being able to press a Button.

Lawine (team walls, safe to use)
Michelle (deploy and forget, passive)
reiichi A3 (deploy and forget, team walls,, AND vision denial)
nobunaga A2 (deploy and forget, team walls)
kanami (admittedly not too great but at least gives team walls, safe to use)
galatea (weakest of the bunch scan wise but they are the most immediately threatening imo guaranteed info most of the time)

Yet fuchsia's q is stronger than them despite:
only scanning for herself
only scanning very briefly
requiring relatively close proximity to reveal targets
requiring she herself to entry for it to be threatening

literally the only edge her scan has over the others is that its immediate, theres NO other advantage. Yes its a reward for pressing q, Q is the button u press to use ur ability which gives value to u or ur team thats how the game works lol

I NEVER argued that F-uchsia's Q skill is STRONGER THEN ANYTHING , you are not READING , i'm ARGUING THE GAME DESIGN FLAW of having a ULTRA POWERFUL skill being the reward for ZERO EFFORT.

Yes you can argue OTHER characters skills are similary or a lot WORSE then F-uchsi's and i could easily agree.

Do you understand ?

>do u understand
no u have lost me

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Nguyên văn bởi Aimee:

Ive seen many players using Fuchsia and not being able to look around them with the enemies they mark.
In good hands most skills can be powerful, even activate and profit/forget. And most skills can also be countered with similar skill.

I dont see Fuchsia's ''Q'' being all that strong, her Q duration is very short so being a one button press is honnestly in line with the result. Ming her Q is also one button press, so is her ult, similar power and effect for the same amount of effort.
I get the idea that one button ability activation seems strong or unwanted. But in a pvp shooter you cant exactly make every ability a quick-time event, since that does not work either. For stronger or longer lasting abilities, having multiple imputs required or a longer activation animation makes sense. But when something is rather short or weak, it would just bog down gameplay.

with mid-high skill players WallHack DOESN'T HAVE ANY COUNTERS , wich is why i have an issue with every wallhack ability however F-uchsia's Q is essentially a GOD TIER reward for NO EFFORT whatsoever.
Ming Q ALLOWS FOR COUNTER PLAY ( it's a slow moving orb ) , F-UCHSIA'S PRESSING ONE BUTTON DOESN'T HAVE COUNTERPLAY AND THE WALLHACK ITSELF DOESN'T HAVE COUNTERPLAY

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Nguyên văn bởi dukci:

Nguyên văn bởi ¤RAV¤ Jesus:

I NEVER argued that F-uchsia's Q skill is STRONGER THEN ANYTHING , you are not READING , i'm ARGUING THE GAME DESIGN FLAW of having a ULTRA POWERFUL skill being the reward for ZERO EFFORT.

Yes you can argue OTHER characters skills are similary or a lot WORSE then F-uchsi's and i could easily agree.

Do you understand ?

>do u understand
no u have lost me

A shooter game that has a ranked game mode is supposed to have "skill level" matter , now for this to be the case there is 2 fundamental general game design rules that must be followed.

1) The STRONGER a character ability is the MORE SKILL it should require to pull it off
2) EVERY ABILITY SHOULD have COUNTER PLAY.

Does F-uchsia's Q ability satisfy these rules ? no , in fact it's the OPPOSITE

1) All it takes to pull it off is pressing a button i.e. THE EASIEST CONDITION and the reward is WALLHACK i.e. THE STRONGEST ABILITY

2) Does the ability have counter play ? No you can't stop F-uchsia's from detecting you and the wallhack doesn't have any counter except moving wich only works against potato aim players

[Aimee]

Nguyên văn bởi ¤RAV¤ Jesus:

Nguyên văn bởi Aimee:

Ive seen many players using Fuchsia and not being able to look around them with the enemies they mark.
In good hands most skills can be powerful, even activate and profit/forget. And most skills can also be countered with similar skill.

I dont see Fuchsia's ''Q'' being all that strong, her Q duration is very short so being a one button press is honnestly in line with the result. Ming her Q is also one button press, so is her ult, similar power and effect for the same amount of effort.
I get the idea that one button ability activation seems strong or unwanted. But in a pvp shooter you cant exactly make every ability a quick-time event, since that does not work either. For stronger or longer lasting abilities, having multiple imputs required or a longer activation animation makes sense. But when something is rather short or weak, it would just bog down gameplay.

with mid-high skill players WallHack DOESN'T HAVE ANY COUNTERS , wich is why i have an issue with every wallhack ability however F-uchsia's Q is essentially a GOD TIER reward for NO EFFORT whatsoever.
Ming Q ALLOWS FOR COUNTER PLAY ( it's a slow moving orb ) , F-UCHSIA'S PRESSING ONE BUTTON DOESN'T HAVE COUNTERPLAY AND THE WALLHACK ITSELF DOESN'T HAVE COUNTERPLAY

Then you need to work on your tactics, since Fuchsia's Q is easier to counter than Ming's Q.

Considering how this topic has been going, and your use of CAPS LOCK... i doubt there is any point in giving suggestions or tips on how to counter abilities. But im generaly willing to help others get better at the game.

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Nguyên văn bởi Aimee:

Nguyên văn bởi ¤RAV¤ Jesus:

with mid-high skill players WallHack DOESN'T HAVE ANY COUNTERS , wich is why i have an issue with every wallhack ability however F-uchsia's Q is essentially a GOD TIER reward for NO EFFORT whatsoever.
Ming Q ALLOWS FOR COUNTER PLAY ( it's a slow moving orb ) , F-UCHSIA'S PRESSING ONE BUTTON DOESN'T HAVE COUNTERPLAY AND THE WALLHACK ITSELF DOESN'T HAVE COUNTERPLAY

Then you need to work on your tactics, since Fuchsia's Q is easier to counter than Ming's Q.

Considering how this topic has been going, and your use of CAPS LOCK... i doubt there is any point in giving suggestions or tips on how to counter abilities. But im generaly willing to help others get better at the game.

Tell me Sensei , how do you counter somebody from pressing a button ?

[Luxaeterna]

Play Yvette. Yvette's passive (as long as she does not move, aim, or shoot) allows her to be invisible at a distance and she cannot be detected by abilities. If you use Awakening 3, the bear can react to Fuschi and attack her revealing her position. You also can use the bear as a shield.

Play Galatea, Nobunaga, Lawine, Reiichi, Kanami, Michele that have wallhacks of their own.

Play Kokona, Nobunaga, Celestia, Flavia, Ming, Audrey can out tank Fuschia.

Play Galatea, Baimo, Meredith can out position Fuschia with their hyper mobility.

Play Leona in the future update and block areas like Fortnite.

[Aimee]

Nguyên văn bởi ¤RAV¤ Jesus:

Nguyên văn bởi Aimee:

Then you need to work on your tactics, since Fuchsia's Q is easier to counter than Ming's Q.

Considering how this topic has been going, and your use of CAPS LOCK... i doubt there is any point in giving suggestions or tips on how to counter abilities. But im generaly willing to help others get better at the game.

Tell me Sensei , how do you counter somebody from pressing a button ?

Ill share how ill deal with it, but drop the sarcasm next time.

When Fuchsia activates her Q and you get scanned, you generaly know where she is comming from and her approximate distance. This based on the mapshape (corridors/rooms), locations of your teammates, and last known locations of the enemy player(s). On top of this you know the gamemode and how important it is for Fuchsia to push in that situation, if its demolition they will have to push after the Q or lose the advantage for quite some time. Same for other gamemodes.

When you see Fuchsia red scan effect but dont get scanned by it, you know her exact distance from you so you can use that to your advantage as well.

If you get scanned and you want to counter Fuchsia, then you either have to use abilities that deal damage or frag grenades, or use abilities that slow or throwables that slow.
This will put you at either an equal playing field or at an advantage when fuchsia pushes, and if they dont push then both parties have lost resources equally.

Characters like Ming or Michelle can simply use their abilities to deal damage and slow an incomming Fuchsia, Maddelena can slow an incomming fuchsia with her Q. If you dont have those type of abilities to counter her, just use any grenade that gives a similar advantage. Frag so Fuchsia takes damage when she pushes, Slow or windstorm grenade to slow the push and give yourself an advantage in fighting her.

If a Fuchsia does not push after you use your ability or throwable but falls back or rotates instead, you have just gained important information on that player and their playstyle/confidence. You can then decide based on whats going on around you if you want to push the Fuchsia that is now out of Q, or instead do something els.

Just because another player instigates something, does not mean you are at their mercy and cant turn that in your advantage.

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Nguyên văn bởi Aimee:

Nguyên văn bởi ¤RAV¤ Jesus:

Tell me Sensei , how do you counter somebody from pressing a button ?

Ill share how ill deal with it, but drop the sarcasm next time.

When Fuchsia activates her Q and you get scanned, you generaly know where she is comming from and her approximate distance. This based on the mapshape (corridors/rooms), locations of your teammates, and last known locations of the enemy player(s). On top of this you know the gamemode and how important it is for Fuchsia to push in that situation, if its demolition they will have to push after the Q or lose the advantage for quite some time. Same for other gamemodes.

When you see Fuchsia red scan effect but dont get scanned by it, you know her exact distance from you so you can use that to your advantage as well.

If you get scanned and you want to counter Fuchsia, then you either have to use abilities that deal damage or frag grenades, or use abilities that slow or throwables that slow.
This will put you at either an equal playing field or at an advantage when fuchsia pushes, and if they dont push then both parties have lost resources equally.

Characters like Ming or Michelle can simply use their abilities to deal damage and slow an incomming Fuchsia, Maddelena can slow an incomming fuchsia with her Q. If you dont have those type of abilities to counter her, just use any grenade that gives a similar advantage. Frag so Fuchsia takes damage when she pushes, Slow or windstorm grenade to slow the push and give yourself an advantage in fighting her.

If a Fuchsia does not push after you use your ability or throwable but falls back or rotates instead, you have just gained important information on that player and their playstyle/confidence. You can then decide based on whats going on around you if you want to push the Fuchsia that is now out of Q, or instead do something els.

Just because another player instigates something, does not mean you are at their mercy and cant turn that in your advantage.

You are explaning counter play when you are being pushed in general but what i'm saying is that there is no counter play to the wallhack outlines, it's UNAVOIDABLE YOU WILL GET WALL SCANNED

[Aimee]

Nguyên văn bởi ¤RAV¤ Jesus:

You are explaning counter play when you are being pushed in general but what i'm saying is that there is no counter play to the wallhack outlines, it's UNAVOIDABLE YOU WILL GET WALL SCANNED

Almost everything in the game is unavoidable, that does not make it bad or unbalanced.
As long as you have the right tactics to use it to your advantage as much as you can, and counter it... that is what matters.
If there actualy is no counter to an ability, then ill have issues with that as well. But Fuchsia's Q is not one of those. If only gives her an advantage for a single button press... if the player in question does nothing against it or is about to die anyways.

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Nguyên văn bởi Aimee:

Nguyên văn bởi ¤RAV¤ Jesus:

You are explaning counter play when you are being pushed in general but what i'm saying is that there is no counter play to the wallhack outlines, it's UNAVOIDABLE YOU WILL GET WALL SCANNED

Almost everything in the game is unavoidable, that does not make it bad or unbalanced.
As long as you have the right tactics to use it to your advantage as much as you can, and counter it... that is what matters.
If there actualy is no counter to an ability, then ill have issues with that as well. But Fuchsia's Q is not one of those. If only gives her an advantage for a single button press... if the player in question does nothing against it or is about to die anyways.

An UNAVOIDABLE WALLHACK SCAN is not an issue ?
I don't think you ever played any kind of shooter game grinding ranked before this did you ?