I think give up options should be 3/5

[0000]

I really think matchmaking is awful, but it's more awful with 4/5 options instead of 3/5.

I mean, if there's more than 50% people on your team don't want to play, why bother continue the match?

Just say GG and move to next match?

EDIT:

1. If rank is a problem, just do 3/5 on challenge. There's no reason it's not there.

2. If they want to downrank and smurf... WHY? The matchmaking already random anyway? You can get paired with high rank, and low rank. There's no advantages being low rank.

3.Even then, you gonna dealing with smurf account which makes 3/5 a mandatory.

4. There's no reason to force people play game they don't want to play.

TLDR:
5 people wants to go to vacation: 3 of them don't want to go to mountain, 2 of them wants to go to mountain. Of course you stay on mountain, right? Right?

Right?

[Waryth]

just wait til you know that to surrender in rank you need 5/5 votes. It's a horrible torture session.

[0000]

Originally posted by Waryth:

just wait til you know that to surrender in rank you need 5/5 votes. It's a horrible torture session.

I just don't understand why you put awful matchmaking with those combo?

I feel like if they put 3/5 on both rank and casual, it's already fix half of matchmaking issues.

Also there's tons of factor that can contribute to quitting. Like your friend disconnected, or AFK (because something happens IRL)

What's weird to me, why there's no complain on China side?

[Malamasala]

I've lost a winning game thanks to my team voting to lose, so I hate the function.

Should be some kind of restriction like "You have to be 4 points difference to give up" or something. In our game it was 1 point difference, and we were starting on round 6.

Sure, only idiots would vote to lose winning games, but apparently they exist.

[Shiro♌]

Originally posted by 0000:

I feel like if they put 3/5 on both rank and casual, it's already fix half of matchmaking issues.

That'd promote intentional deranking, as you can only play in a premade of 2-3-5 players, but not in a 4-player premade, at least as far as I know.

Originally posted by 0000:

Also there's tons of factor that can contribute to quitting. Like your friend disconnected, or AFK (because something happens IRL)

That's true and nobody's gonna argue about that.. Because such situations do happen. But so what? It doesn't really contribute towards your suggestion in any way.

Originally posted by 0000:

I just don't understand why you put awful matchmaking with those combo?

Whether the matchmaking is horrible, that we can't judge yet.

There's a lack of active players here, hence the lobbies get supplied with AI, and so the experiences will naturally be limited to encounters with the few tenths of players for as long as necessary, and that applies especially to the similarly ranked lobbies, so to the Ranked game mode as the Unranked (Challenge) game mode has a wider gap to shift in many leagues worse or better players than some of them.

[JohnRocket]

Originally posted by Malamasala:

I've lost a winning game thanks to my team voting to lose, so I hate the function.

Should be some kind of restriction like "You have to be 4 points difference to give up" or something. In our game it was 1 point difference, and we were starting on round 6.

Sure, only idiots would vote to lose winning games, but apparently they exist.

90% games that people to try surrender - is one side. If you from 100 games lost 5 because someone think that is lost - nothing change for you.

Btw, if you tell that you don't surrender, that means you played casual, so, reality that no one care about casual.

[James Tatsumi]

Why would you give up in the first place? The only people who should be concerned with winning or losing are people whose income depends on them winning. Since there are no tournaments where money is involved we are all just playing for fun.

[Afangun]

Originally posted by Waryth:

Originally posted by James Tatsumi:

Why would you give up in the first place?

You don't understand.

You can see how your teammates play when you're dead.

• Terrible players playing with horrible mouse sensitivity
  
• Players who can't aim
  
• Players playing less than 30 FPS
  
• Healers/Support that doesn't know how to use skills
  
• Teammates who doesn't know how to use skills
  
• Teammates who has bad ping teleporting around
  
• Teammates who intentionally raged quit
  
• Teammates intentionally doing 1v5 not cooperating to do the Ace achievement.
  
• Teammates not knowing when to revive despite being near you.
  
• Teammates who doesn't know when to stringify when being blinded/smoked/surrounded etc..
  
• Teammates who doesn't know how to use secondary when primary ran out of ammunition
  
• Teammates who doesn't know how to plant the bomb
  
• Teammates who didn't know they had the bomb carried with them the entire match
  
• Teammates who never used Healing Grenades despite having one and low on health, ending up used by enemies upon their death.
  
• Teammates who have ZERO situational awareness when they can see enemies through the minimap.

They're new to the game, sure. Telling them what to do and doesn't even listen is even worse.

Originally posted by James Tatsumi:

The only people who should be concerned with winning or losing are people whose income depends on them winning.

Playing with someone who's incompetent and doesn't know what to do in their current situation is clearly a player who doesn't know how to play the game. It's NO FUN playing with this kind of people.

You say people play for fun? what about the players who carried YOU and YOUR TEAM? They're not having fun in the team like that while the ones slacking off getting carried surely have fun ONE SIDED. They're doing all the work single handedly at most is NO FUN.

Not surrendering on a 0-6 or 5-7 match point are delusional expecting to win out of everyone's performance with poor teamwork. Some games offer vote kick just to get rid of that one player who's drag to the team just for a reference.

dont forget snipers who for some reason push the enemy

[JohnRocket]

Originally posted by Waryth:

Originally posted by James Tatsumi:

Why would you give up in the first place?

You don't understand.

You can see how your teammates play when you're dead.

• Terrible players playing with horrible mouse sensitivity
  
• Players who can't aim
  
• Players playing less than 30 FPS
  
• Healers/Support that doesn't know how to use skills
  
• Teammates who doesn't know how to use skills
  
• Teammates who has bad ping teleporting around
  
• Teammates who intentionally raged quit
  
• Teammates intentionally doing 1v5 not cooperating to do the Ace achievement.
  
• Teammates not knowing when to revive despite being near you.
  
• Teammates who doesn't know when to stringify when being blinded/smoked/surrounded etc..
  
• Teammates who doesn't know how to use secondary when primary ran out of ammunition
  
• Teammates who doesn't know how to plant the bomb
  
• Teammates who didn't know they had the bomb carried with them the entire match
  
• Teammates who never used Healing Grenades despite having one and low on health, ending up used by enemies upon their death.
  
• Teammates who have ZERO situational awareness when they can see enemies through the minimap.

They're new to the game, sure. Telling them what to do and doesn't even listen is even worse.

Originally posted by James Tatsumi:

The only people who should be concerned with winning or losing are people whose income depends on them winning.

Playing with someone who's incompetent and doesn't know what to do in their current situation is clearly a player who doesn't know how to play the game. It's NO FUN playing with this kind of people.

You say people play for fun? what about the players who carried YOU and YOUR TEAM? They're not having fun in the team like that while the ones slacking off getting carried surely have fun ONE SIDED. They're doing all the work single handedly at most is NO FUN.

Not surrendering on a 0-6 or 5-7 match point are delusional expecting to win out of everyone's performance with poor teamwork. Some games offer vote kick just to get rid of that one player who's drag to the team just for a reference.

How about teammates who ignore minimap, when this map have 10-15% of their monitor?

[Afangun]

Originally posted by JohnRocket:

Originally posted by Waryth:

You don't understand.

You can see how your teammates play when you're dead.

• Terrible players playing with horrible mouse sensitivity
  
• Players who can't aim
  
• Players playing less than 30 FPS
  
• Healers/Support that doesn't know how to use skills
  
• Teammates who doesn't know how to use skills
  
• Teammates who has bad ping teleporting around
  
• Teammates who intentionally raged quit
  
• Teammates intentionally doing 1v5 not cooperating to do the Ace achievement.
  
• Teammates not knowing when to revive despite being near you.
  
• Teammates who doesn't know when to stringify when being blinded/smoked/surrounded etc..
  
• Teammates who doesn't know how to use secondary when primary ran out of ammunition
  
• Teammates who doesn't know how to plant the bomb
  
• Teammates who didn't know they had the bomb carried with them the entire match
  
• Teammates who never used Healing Grenades despite having one and low on health, ending up used by enemies upon their death.
  
• Teammates who have ZERO situational awareness when they can see enemies through the minimap.

They're new to the game, sure. Telling them what to do and doesn't even listen is even worse.

Playing with someone who's incompetent and doesn't know what to do in their current situation is clearly a player who doesn't know how to play the game. It's NO FUN playing with this kind of people.

You say people play for fun? what about the players who carried YOU and YOUR TEAM? They're not having fun in the team like that while the ones slacking off getting carried surely have fun ONE SIDED. They're doing all the work single handedly at most is NO FUN.

Not surrendering on a 0-6 or 5-7 match point are delusional expecting to win out of everyone's performance with poor teamwork. Some games offer vote kick just to get rid of that one player who's drag to the team just for a reference.

How about teammates who ignore minimap, when this map have 10-15% of their monitor? :lunar2019piginablanket:

how about 4 people with default grenades

[Waryth]

Originally posted by James Tatsumi:

Originally posted by James Tatsumi:

Originally posted by James Tatsumi:

The only people who should be concerned with winning or losing are people whose income depends on them winning.

Since there are no tournaments where money is involved we are all just playing for fun.

Why would you give up in the first place?

You don't understand.

You can see how your teammates play when you're dead.

• Terrible players playing with horrible mouse sensitivity
  
• Players who can't aim
  
• Players playing less than 30 FPS
  
• Healers/Support that doesn't know how to use skills
  
• Teammates who doesn't know how to use skills
  
• Teammates who has bad ping teleporting around
  
• Teammates who intentionally raged quit
  
• Teammates intentionally doing 1v5 not cooperating to do the Ace achievement.
  
• Teammates not knowing when to revive despite being near you.
  
• Teammates who doesn't know when to stringify when being blinded/smoked/surrounded etc..
  
• Teammates who doesn't know how to use secondary when primary ran out of ammunition
  
• Teammates who doesn't know how to plant the bomb
  
• Teammates who didn't know they had the bomb carried with them the entire match
  
• Teammates who never used Healing Grenades despite having one and low on health, ending up used by enemies upon their death.
  
• Teammates who have ZERO situational awareness when they can see enemies through the minimap.

They're new to the game, sure. Telling them what to do and doesn't even listen is even worse.

Playing with someone who's incompetent and doesn't know what to do in their current situation is clearly a player who doesn't know how to play the game. It's NO FUN playing with this kind of people.

You say people play for fun? what about the players who carried YOU and YOUR TEAM? They're not having fun in the team like that while the ones slacking off getting carried surely have fun ONE SIDED. They're doing all the work single handedly at most is NO FUN.

Not surrendering on a 0-6 or 5-7 match point are delusional expecting to win out of everyone's performance with poor teamwork. Some games offer vote kick just to get rid of that one player who's drag to the team just for a reference. Everyone's just wasting time not doing objective and winning.

[Malamasala]

I just think they should make the system fair. If 3 vote give up, and 2 vote no, and the game ends, the 2 voting no should be treated as a draw and the 3 giving up should be treated as a loss. That way you can't be brought down by people who give up.

And as some will claim there is no point in playing if your teammates are bad, then consider that you may as well play single round ranked at that point as the only thing that really matters is if you win the first round, or your teammates sucked.

[Waryth]

Vote kick should be implemented too for someone here who wants to "Have fun". Nobody's gonna vote for surrender if that one person's gone and be replaced by bot who actually does more for the team and knows how to plant a bomb.

If the team wants to have fun, we're booting the one ruining that fun. You can't play properly and do objectives?

You might as well just stick to Snowbreak and fight AIs equivalent to your skill level. Skipping the tutorial and other game info doesn't make you a player but a parasite.

For that person who says "4 points behind to surrender" is completely delusional. An overtime mechanic after 4 points catch up is a huge waste of time for everyone around you.

2 votes treating as a draw? Seriously this person can't math. It's 60-40 ratio meaning MAJORITY doesn't wanna play with you.

[TimeTimeTime]

Originally posted by Malamasala:

I just think they should make the system fair. If 3 vote give up, and 2 vote no, and the game ends, the 2 voting no should be treated as a draw and the 3 giving up should be treated as a loss. That way you can't be brought down by people who give up.

And as some will claim there is no point in playing if your teammates are bad, then consider that you may as well play single round ranked at that point as the only thing that really matters is if you win the first round, or your teammates sucked.

I think Valorant has really stringent requirements for forfeiting a match in ranked. I think everyone needs to forfeit for a forfeit to go through. I forget what it's like on Apex. I never played rank there, but I think it's similar.

 (The AI bot claims you can't surrender in Apex Legends and leaving penalizes you, so yeah.) 

[Aimee]

Originally posted by James Tatsumi:

Why would you give up in the first place? The only people who should be concerned with winning or losing are people whose income depends on them winning. Since there are no tournaments where money is involved we are all just playing for fun.

I get the sentiment, but sometimes the difference in teams is so big that players get knocked down and killed without even seeing the enemy at all.
And at that point they dont realy get to play much, so there is no fun to be had or learning to be done. But ofcourse this is the minority of games, but it does happen in ranked a lot in lower ranks atleast.

So at that point, giving up so you get to play again can be more fun for everyone involved. Since there is rarely a team that is willing to hold back when they are winning too massively.

[Flariz]

I always laugh we my team is going like 3 - 0 and we lose ONCE and then immediately someone casts surrender vote LMFAO.

I think these are more like tilt castings than anything else.