About matchmaking mechanism and ELO...

[Fulcrum.Armulus]

I will have an announcement about this soon. For now, i will merge most of the conversations on this topic here.

[Kyubox]

I doubt it since I've had some pretty good matches where it got super close. Maybe there's a few bots mixed in but I'd be surprised if it really was just Whoops All Bots like people say it is. Like, are they training bots to bunny hop and use sprays as well?

[JBM]

No bots for me, I'm lvl5/bronze something account

[JBM]

Originally posted by Fran:

Should be more, 50 hours of gameplay minimum to play competitive IMO.

Why is that important at all if there's sbmm/elo-based mm?

[PewPew]

Originally posted by JBM:

Originally posted by Fran:

Should be more, 50 hours of gameplay minimum to play competitive IMO.

Why is that important at all if there's sbmm/elo-based mm?

To avoid smurfs. Now smurfs have to buy accounts, or buy from the store (valorant), or have to put in the effort to grind.

[Karma Miguel liquid.tf]

we love sbmm shooters. /s

[Yukito For Ever]

I don't think there are bots, I lost some of the matches with my team. Other matches were pretty close, losing or winning by minimal difference.

[Renmei]

every team death match is against bots

[Quadra]

90% of games vs lvl 20 fake account bots. Same was on beta. Even in Ranked you play vs bots.

[crimsonspartan1]

Kinda know when I get bot lobbies cus I get MVP constantly, and I'm admittedly kinda bad at these competitive shooters, so when I do get actual players, what usually happens is we get demolished because the enemy team are working in-sync while my teammates are either bots as well or just stupid.

[DOOM Maternal]

Originally posted by PewPew:

It's 20 in valorant.

It's 80 crafting, 80 smithing, and 80 divination to even begin to learn invention in runescape.

[Richie]

This really needs to be clarified by the the Devs. I definitely like the game, but why am I MVP literally every match? I play FPS/TPS games regularly, but that can't be the sole reason why I'm above everyone else. I just refuse to believe my experience with FPS/TPS games is why, at minimum, I'm dropping 25 kills and getting MVP literally every single match. I have never had this experience with any other FPS/TPS game.

And too many people are throwing out random criteria's that gets rid of bots, but then other people prove those people wrong. Apparently entering your Birthday in your profile stops bots from filling your lobbies. But wait, no, apparently level 10 stops bots from filling your lobbies. But wait, no, apparently level 15 stops bots from filling your lobbies. But wait, no, apparently level 25 stops bots from filling your lobbies. Which one is it?

I feel like I don't even wanna play anymore because I just don't know who is and isn't real.

[Waryth]

Originally posted by Richie:

I feel like I don't even wanna play anymore because I just don't know who is and isn't real.

This is normal in match making online multiplayer games with MMR skill match making. They fill in with bots if there's no queue. Especially when new players and terrible players got no one else to queue against with. They are unfit to fight against real player of their base level. They'll either rage quit or know later that they've been fighting bots the whole time.

Originally posted by Richie:

And too many people are throwing out random criteria's that gets rid of bots, but then other people prove those people wrong. Apparently entering your Birthday in your profile stops bots from filling your lobbies. But wait, no, apparently level 10 stops bots from filling your lobbies. But wait, no, apparently level 15 stops bots from filling your lobbies. But wait, no, apparently level 25 stops bots from filling your lobbies. Which one is it?

Back in CBT, They have actual BOTS that has a REGISTRATION DATE far back in 2023 when in fact you couldn't register in 2023. It was a good indicator and some stats doesn't show up because they're just place holder players. This release changed all of that. The registered dates of bots are up to date but there's still missing details of an actual player.

Right now, the current way of figuring out is what I just said above. You play with actual players in your team and that's the only thing you need to know.

"if you see an empty skin SKIN COLLECTION history in any of the enemy team then it's a bot team."

If fighting against real player is your only way that determines whether you play the game or not then let go of it and come back when the player base is actually stable.

[SayneX]

Originally posted by Richie:

This really needs to be clarified by the the Devs. I definitely like the game, but why am I MVP literally every match? I play FPS/TPS games regularly, but that can't be the sole reason why I'm above everyone else. I just refuse to believe my experience with FPS/TPS games is why, at minimum, I'm dropping 25 kills and getting MVP literally every single match. I have never had this experience with any other FPS/TPS game.

And too many people are throwing out random criteria's that gets rid of bots, but then other people prove those people wrong. Apparently entering your Birthday in your profile stops bots from filling your lobbies. But wait, no, apparently level 10 stops bots from filling your lobbies. But wait, no, apparently level 15 stops bots from filling your lobbies. But wait, no, apparently level 25 stops bots from filling your lobbies. Which one is it?

I feel like I don't even wanna play anymore because I just don't know who is and isn't real.

don't play anymore then? Play ranked and your will find out, which is available at level 15. Even before that in regular games I may see some trash players sometimes but honestly its f2p. What is stopping some 5 year old playing on their dads computer cause its cartoons. Valorant gets it all the time where you hear some little kid talking. I honestly don't know why I am entertaining your comment but I just saw it as weird that someone thinks people don't use bot software in a f2p game. Isn't this an issue with most f2p games?

[H 4 Z E]

I don't know, on Japan server i don't think I've seen any bots other than in training mode.
And admittedly, players are much better than what I'd expect from a new release like that.

Seen some questionable nicknames, but their pings check out with the region I'd expect them to be from, so yeah, don't think there are many bots.

[Liam_Dollas]

Ranked point system

Is it just me or do u guys think the points system needs to be adjusted?
The amount of points u get per win is so little. (10~20) and one loss can take away like 3 matches worth of progress?
Im not a sweaty ranked player. just an average joe still in bronze 3.
If the developers expect us to keep going on a 10 match win streak to rank up, i will probably stay in bronze for ever.
I have only played apex ranked and cod ranked, so idk about other competitive shooters.
But this just feels wrong.
Just pls tell me if im missing something or i am wrong.