Thoughts on the story, a bit dissapointed

[Aradner]

Just finished the story, and i have to say, in terms of just pure storytelling, i'm a bit dissapointed, not with final cinematic, but with what ended up happening (or NOT happening) in the final world. So spoilers ahead about that

The introduction of root earth i think was a great idea, with great potential. The fact that ultimately humans were not only responsible for unleashing root, but created it in the first place is fantastic. They even hinted that it happened in exactly the same geographical place, as we see what appears to be corrupted ward 13 on our way, so the buildup was amazing. The thing is that then, NOTHING HAPPENED. This big meanacing tree in the distance, the source of all root looms on the horizon, as we walk through the desolate remains of our home. What happened, why did we do this, the answer must lie there. And what do we find in the end? A wall that only serves for Keeper and Clementine to show up, elaborate on nothing, fight this one visually-unremarkable boss (which is very anticlimactic for the source of all root BTW) and end the game on an action the NPCs were to cool to explain to us. There was so much potentioal there, we shoul've ventured into that tree, delving ever deeper into those glitches that boss is using to actually set them up, maybe find the facility where the root was born, as Clementine and Keeper await our success outside, and THEN fight the final boss, maybe even on top of that tree. But there is nothing, hell, Clementine even has her voicelines from the labirynth when you ask where you are, and i pray to god this is a glitch. And you have to run past them everytime you want to try again to kill that rather hard and vicious boss, it's very anticlimactic.

I hate that they just took the approach that our character is getting talked to by that weird almost-god and girl, their explanation to everything is "you wouldn't understand" and just goes happily along with everything, wherever they tell him to go, without really explaining anything. This game's story is literal equivalent to DnD session where gamemaster created their own badass NPCs, and want players to just walk around them and help them, and are usually to cool to introduce players to what is actually happening, despite constantly talking about in the earshot, because that's how cool they are. The developers had so much good ideas, with so much potential, but in game execution is shallow, as in most of the story happened in the devs' heads, and they forgot to tell it in the actual game. I assume what happened in the end was that Clementine used the fragments we collected to create an ark for us to survive the "reboot", which is actually a very cool idea, i just wish they told it better. Or at all for that matter.

In the end i did really enjoy this game, and will continue to do so for quite a long time, final boss is not as BS as it appears, because if you pay attention it has literal sound cues that told you when to dodge and was a really satisfying kill, but i really wish the devs would learn to tell their stories better. What did others think about the story?

[SephVII]

Even tho you can get a TLDR sumup through Mudtooth and reggies Dialouges exhaustion in Remnant 1 you still have more Lore Backround via the Terminals you find through the Ward sections with more story bits since Remnant 2 is still a Sequel and continuition of the story.

Same with Chronos > Rem 1

[Hadley333]

The story is a complete joke and easily forgettable. But...i enjoyed the gameplay.

[Trichouette]

What makes you think humans created the root ?

The game is pretty light in terms of "what happened to earth" because all of these things were answered in the 2 previous games.

But we do get interesting stories about yaesha/n'erud/losomn.
I like those

[Aradner]

Trichouette původně napsal:

What makes you think humans created the root ?

The game is pretty light in terms of "what happened to earth" because all of these things were answered in the 2 previous games.

But we do get interesting stories about yaesha/n'erud/losomn.
I like those

I believe when the keeper talks about "core worlds" he talks about earth, because he says that the root was originally contained there, and new core world was created. I might be wrong, but so far it seems that Root Earth was first core, got root, was quara tined, and our earth was created as replacement. You are right though, that there is nothing that states humans created it, it could have started some other way, we just know it started on earth

[Trichouette]

Aradner původně napsal:

Trichouette původně napsal:

What makes you think humans created the root ?

The game is pretty light in terms of "what happened to earth" because all of these things were answered in the 2 previous games.

But we do get interesting stories about yaesha/n'erud/losomn.
I like those

I believe when the keeper talks about "core worlds" he talks about earth, because he says that the root was originally contained there, and new core world was created. I might be wrong, but so far it seems that Root Earth was first core, got root, was quara tined, and our earth was created as replacement. You are right though, that there is nothing that states humans created it, it could have started some other way, we just know it started on earth

Exactly.
Earth is the core.
Root appeared in the core, but the keeper doesn't know where it comes from.
He sealed the core, created a new earth, and wanted to "study" the phenomenon to understand how it happened.

Like you said, root earth look a lot like actual earth, which leads me to believe the new earth was created identical and then evolved in the exact same way root earth did.

The only thing human did, was start the dreamer project, which ended up opening the new core (earth) to the root.

keeper must have been like "not this ♥♥♥♥ again...."

[Trichouette]

There's also the possibility that root earth was just like regular earth.
Dreamer project happened and a dreamer opened the gate for the root to come in and turn earth into root earth.
But that would mean the root comes from somewhere else, outside of the keeper's monitoring, and that anihilation isn't the true core of the root.

[SephVII]

Trichouette původně napsal:

There's also the possibility that root earth was just like regular earth.
Dreamer project happened and a dreamer opened the gate for the root to come in and turn earth into root earth.
But that would mean the root comes from somewhere else, outside of the keeper's monitoring, and that anihilation isn't the true core of the root.

It most likely isnt we need to wait for the DLC´s and see whats going on with Ford his sudden Dissaperence because of the Package of an old "Friend" seems very vague in what it actually means.

[Trichouette]

SephVII původně napsal:

Trichouette původně napsal:

There's also the possibility that root earth was just like regular earth.
Dreamer project happened and a dreamer opened the gate for the root to come in and turn earth into root earth.
But that would mean the root comes from somewhere else, outside of the keeper's monitoring, and that anihilation isn't the true core of the root.

It most likely isnt we need to wait for the DLC´s and see whats going on with Ford his sudden Dissaperence because of the Package of an old "Friend" seems very vague in what it actually means.

The "package" was such a huge disappointment.
I was actually expecting to find ford behind that red glitchy door.

Anyway, yeah the DLC will most likely contains a second campaign to explain what the hell happened.

maybe ford is "the creator" :]
Or maybe he knows how to really end the root.

[SephVII]

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SephVII původně napsal:

It most likely isnt we need to wait for the DLC´s and see whats going on with Ford his sudden Dissaperence because of the Package of an old "Friend" seems very vague in what it actually means.

The "package" was such a huge disappointment.
I was actually expecting to find ford behind that red glitchy door.

Anyway, yeah the DLC will most likely contains a second campaign to explain what the hell happened.

maybe ford is "the creator" :]
Or maybe he knows how to really end the root.

Ford isnt the Creator doubt it the "Friend" might be or some associate of it anyhow the first game did the same with Reisum DLC it was a finish up to the Story with the Haarsgaard incident and more clarification to the ending.

But that was done without initial idea of doing it. Remnant 2 on the other hand was beforehand planned and designed with it so... Its more interesting to know if all 3 DLC´s will bit by bit continue the story or if its only the last DLC that will finish it it up.

[Trichouette]

SephVII původně napsal:

Trichouette původně napsal:

The "package" was such a huge disappointment.
I was actually expecting to find ford behind that red glitchy door.

Anyway, yeah the DLC will most likely contains a second campaign to explain what the hell happened.

maybe ford is "the creator" :]
Or maybe he knows how to really end the root.

Ford isnt the Creator doubt it the "Friend" might be or some associate of it anyhow the first game did the same with Reisum DLC it was a finish up to the Story with the Haarsgaard incident and more clarification to the ending.

But that was done without initial idea of doing it. Remnant 2 on the other hand was beforehand planned and designed with it so... Its more interesting to know if all 3 DLC´s will bit by bit continue the story or if its only the last DLC that will finish it it up.

The "friend" could be leto though.

I was just joking, I highly doubt ford to be the creator
I do however think that ford is somewhere in the labyrinth, which would explain why clementine was yoinked by the keeper right after he went in there

[SephVII]

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SephVII původně napsal:

Ford isnt the Creator doubt it the "Friend" might be or some associate of it anyhow the first game did the same with Reisum DLC it was a finish up to the Story with the Haarsgaard incident and more clarification to the ending.

But that was done without initial idea of doing it. Remnant 2 on the other hand was beforehand planned and designed with it so... Its more interesting to know if all 3 DLC´s will bit by bit continue the story or if its only the last DLC that will finish it it up.

The "friend" could be leto though.

I was just joking, I highly doubt ford to be the creator

I tho first too its Leto and maybe is but question is how Leto would be technically dead unless he also has some Immortal powers or simple time travels with the Teleportation technology you find in the LAB in 1.

PS: ye i know

[Trichouette]

SephVII původně napsal:

Trichouette původně napsal:

The "friend" could be leto though.

I was just joking, I highly doubt ford to be the creator

I tho first too its Leto and maybe is but question is how Leto would be technically dead unless he also has some Immortal powers or simple time travels with the Teleportation technology you find in the LAB in 1.

PS: ye i know

The way I see it, people who use the world stone get to live longer.
At first I thought ford lived longer because he ate one of yaesha's fruit of immortality, but the fact Bo is also "immortal" led me to think using the world stone is what triggers it.

So it's possible leto also used the world stone at some point and is still alive.
Or maybe UPS is really really slow in post-apocalyptic earth.

[Slicer [OSL)]

I think its cool that the wanderer you played in Remnant 1 gets a lot mentioned. Was kinda hoping we could have met our old character somewhere (with the profile you last played in Remnant 1), would have been cool. Was curious what he did after the game ended (after Reisum and the last Ward)
But now you all mentioned, i totally forgot about Ford. Dunno, never liked him that much since hes like: oh hey you are here. Thats your sinking ship now i GTFO here xD

[Trichouette]

Slicer_AUT původně napsal:

I think its cool that the wanderer you played in Remnant 1 gets a lot mentioned. Was kinda hoping we could have met our old character somewhere (with the profile you last played in Remnant 1), would have been cool. Was curious what he did after the game ended (after Reisum and the last Ward)
But now you all mentioned, i totally forgot about Ford. Dunno, never liked him that much since hes like: oh hey you are here. Thats your sinking ship now i GTFO here xD

Ford doesn't like hot potatoes.

It's funny how "the wanderer" just came here, saved the day, and left.

[Kiros]

The way I see things:

It was all either a simulation or happening in a computer. The "Root" (a play on root folder?) is either a virus or a corrupted program. Clementine is a sort of recovery disk (that's what she does in the end, the "world" is reset but all the "people" are backed up. The Keeper is an anti-virus/a disc wipe program. Root Earth was just quarantined as an infected folder and they made a perfect copy like you would copy a file.

Bosses like Venom and Cancer (replicating corrupted cell) hint towards this as well, the boss glitching out and the second arena being a wireframe. The Creator is Gunfire. Nerud found the secret of creation, meaning they uncovered they were part of a simulation. It's all very meta and I found it disappointing, after the richness of stories and world building they have.