THE PRISM SYSTEM sucks

[Boreal]

DEVS why are u adding no REROLL function, Many hour to upgrade a badroll prism to 51???
This make no sense, this is annoying.

[RunForRest]

When u interact more with it and understand how it works to get a good "roll" out of it on a new char, u realize how stupidly designed this is and u dont wanna play the game anymore at that point - theres nothing in that system thats well designed, its a 200% flustercuck.
Starting on a 2 second char it takes 50hours + xp cheat to get a nice prism.
If u dont understand it 100% and dont do it right 100% the prism system say: "NO ♥♥♥♥ U START OVER ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥"
The overall UI design also doesnt make it easier, in contrary - the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ chance is build into the very basic design - not playtested at all or used at all - maybe by the big brain nerd that designed this, but not by anyone who just plays this

[ViperClaw]

The more time passes, the more i realize, that the prism system has destroyed my urge to play the game.

Usually, i was often roaming around from time to time, helping random people out for fun.

But the whole grinding and RNG dependency turn me off big time.

That system indeed sucks.

[Nero Nox]

Originally posted by RunForRest:

When u interact more with it [...]

That's the Point! If i have to spend X hours for it to become fun ... it isn't!

[Evil-Striker]

Its my understanding that they meant to allow players to cleanse and completely reset their prisms from level 10 onward, but the feature is bugged and will only clear out the extra roll% and the current XP till next level.

[Sleepy]

It wouldn't bad if it wasn't RNG dependent to get what you want on it. I like that it is an extra layer for builds, and you get more than one of them, but absolutely hate that if one of your first couple rolls if off: it is a mega-♥♥♥♥♥♥♥-grind to reset it.

Grind for grinds sake isn't fun. It's a reason not to play a game because it has no respect for time.

[Fraggen Wagon]

Originally posted by Boreal:

DEVS why are u adding no REROLL function, Many hour to upgrade a badroll prism to 51???
This make no sense, this is annoying.

It's a decent end game hook.

[The Icecream Snowman]

At first, I didn't understand how feeding fragments worked. It took me a long time to get all those fragments, I didn't want to waste them. I thought you could only put one in at a time, and that it would give a small bonus to that roll. I was having flashbacks to Warframe's Relics, and that multi layer grind.

That was all wrong.

To get a good prism, you go on the wiki, pick four fusions you like, then make sure you have those fragments. You'll need nine mythic fragments for a complete prism. To buy Mythic fragments, rest at the world stone in an apocalypse world, then go back and buy them from Dwell.

Now, with a fresh new prism (I had to buy Greed for this) you feed the first five fragments; feed them in fuseable pairs so you can free slots when those fusions come up. Start levelling and at least one of the fragments you fed is guaranteed to roll every time. Once you've picked all five, simply level them until a fusion comes up.

When you pick a fusion, a slot gets opened, so feed another fragment. Repeat until you have four fusions and one lone fragment.

I agree the XP requirement is pretty heavy for what are kind of minor buffs. I'm using a modded Sagestone, set to 900% for nice easy levelling. You want levels to come one at a time, as the rolls are set at level up, not upon picking. If you level all the way to 50 in one go, you probably won't get what you want.

[Cyiel]

Originally posted by The Icecream Snowman:

At first, I didn't understand how feeding fragments worked. It took me a long time to get all those fragments, I didn't want to waste them. I thought you could only put one in at a time, and that it would give a small bonus to that roll. I was having flashbacks to Warframe's Relics, and that multi layer grind.

That was all wrong.

To get a good prism, you go on the wiki, pick four fusions you like, then make sure you have those fragments. You'll need nine mythic fragments for a complete prism. To buy Mythic fragments, rest at the world stone in an apocalypse world, then go back and buy them from Dwell.

Now, with a fresh new prism (I had to buy Greed for this) you feed the first five fragments; feed them in fuseable pairs so you can free slots when those fusions come up. Start levelling and at least one of the fragments you fed is guaranteed to roll every time. Once you've picked all five, simply level them until a fusion comes up.

When you pick a fusion, a slot gets opened, so feed another fragment. Repeat until you have four fusions and one lone fragment.

I agree the XP requirement is pretty heavy for what are kind of minor buffs. I'm using a modded Sagestone, set to 900% for nice easy levelling. You want levels to come one at a time, as the rolls are set at level up, not upon picking. If you level all the way to 50 in one go, you probably won't get what you want.

You don't need Mythic tier fragmentss to do it... you can feed multiple lower tier Fragments to increase the chance.

[RunForRest]

In my playtesting feeding low tier fragments didnt make much of a change, i think i even wasted more dust that way, because u waste dust when u kinda "overfeed", at least when u feed multiple of the same lower tier fragments. Seems more efficient to just wait for 1 mythic and feed that.

[Archer]

Lmao thought i was the only one...

I never minded grinding in Remnant 2 until now haha. The amount of EXP i need to get for a decent prism with prime perk for different builds killed my desire to play this game. Usually theory crafting builds and trying to get cool builds help me play for hours, but good lord the tedious exp requirements outweigh the enjoyment. I can't imagine doing this FOR 6 PRISMS, good lord.

Originally posted by Cyiel:

You don't need Mythic tier fragmentss to do it... you can feed multiple lower tier Fragments to increase the chance.

I mean you can literally load a fresh APOC world and spend all your relic money without doing anything to easily get mythic fragments. They are already dirty easy to get.

[x+y=reindeer]

Originally posted by Vacenti:

Lmao thought i was the only one...

I never minded grinding in Remnant 2 until now haha. The amount of EXP i need to get for a decent prism with prime perk for different builds killed my desire to play this game. Usually theory crafting builds and trying to get cool builds help me play for hours, but good lord the tedious exp requirements outweigh the enjoyment. I can't imagine doing this FOR 6 PRISMS, good lord.

Originally posted by Cyiel:

You don't need Mythic tier fragmentss to do it... you can feed multiple lower tier Fragments to increase the chance.

I mean you can literally load a fresh APOC world and spend all your relic money without doing anything to easily get mythic fragments. They are already dirty easy to get.

The game is dead for me... prism is decent addition to the game, but... not in the end of game... the mount of exp it needs to level up is just insane, not to mention if you fail whatever lvl you are you need to start all over again???? i would understand reset 1-3lvls, but fully? start from 0??? have one prism which i levelled without reading about it... levelled like 40 and after research its done for... levelled second one, got two merges.. third i messed up and it forces me choose what i don't need.. again prism is done for.. started third one.. but dont have anymore patience to level it up nor i find it fun anymore.. its not just 51 with last level in need of tremendous amount of exp, but after merges you need to level it up even more.. thats just pain. I am so done with this nonsense.. not to mention i grinded game so much that it seems Rush doesnt give me any items.. so to do it for "naked" prism than most likely it will be reason i will fail and gain 2-3 lvls after couple hours playing? Horrible

Oh and not to mention.. its not supposed to be so difficult that you would need to checl excel files, youtube videos and google it on the top to comprehend how it works.. and i tried to explain it "the easier way" to someone else and i understood thet didn't make things any easier and basically other person will have to fail first prism himself

[frostjoke40]

Devs adding another form of roll base grind isnt fun specially when i stay in one spot to farm all XP buff on and still took me 8 hours to grind to max 50 then another 1 hour to grind to 51 only for the legendary roll to suck ass ill be honest with you its taking the soul right out of me and ill probably quit this game before i get my desired roll

[PortalShifter]

Prisms are the ultimate endgame character progression in Remnant. Of course it's going to take a while.

[x+y=reindeer]

Originally posted by PortalShifter:

Prisms are the ultimate endgame character progression in Remnant. Of course it's going to take a while.

To be honest, they added prism on last dlc, so it would be true to say that old players would enjoy this if it would be possible to level it while doing DLC, i wouldnt be angry if it would be possible to reach max while doing one - two dlc, but at this point it seems i would go through whole game without even reaching max level with fusions, already memorized all maps and i will go through it countless times again just to see max level on prism but it wont be any more fun to play again now aint it?

[Peredur]

Originally posted by x+y=reindeer:

To be honest, they added prism on last dlc

They added them on the patch that was released at the same time as the DLC. But it's not part of the DLC.
Same for the Boss rush mode. Part of the patch, not of the DLC.
So, by your logic, it's more the boss rush that is intended to be used to level up the prisms.
Anyway, prisms and boss rush are both meant for players that already have done everything, have nothing more to look forward in the game, and now have another way to engage in the game and a long term progression system for them to not feel they are playing for nothing.
The randomness and the late respec were meant to encourage players to try new builds that would fit the prism instead of trying to get a prism that would fit their build. Because their build don't need the prism anyway. The game is not balanced around having a prism, even less an optimised one.
But the devs didn't take into account the frustration it would represent for the players. For something with a slow progression, they should have gone for something without RNG (or at least with less RNG or with RNG that disappear over time - like bonuses that are unlocked in a random order but at the end you have all bonuses maxed).
The game already had too much RNG. >.>