Am i supposed to wiki stuff to make sense of it all or it will be clear as i play?

[lily40k]

The game seems pretty cryptic, like some doors i have no idea how to open, some puzzles i see zero clues... i dont like to use guides and ruin the exploration but some games make it way too hard or too big of a time investment to figure on your own... is this one like that? Or should i just push on with objectives and it will make sense?

[LT2483]

Some puzzles are extremely hard/obtuse, and some might be fairly easy but you won't see the solution. Items are hidden everywhere, in about every way imaginable (yes, including secret walls with 0 tells).

And then there are items that you will NEVER figure out on your own, because the intended "solution" was to datamine how to get it from the files, and then for that knowledge to spread into the community via posts and wikis.

So either you play the game and accept you won't see a large portion of it, or you have one or both wikis open to refer back to. It's just that type of game.

[Grimzy]

Originally posted by LT2483:

Some puzzles are extremely hard/obtuse, and some might be fairly easy but you won't see the solution. Items are hidden everywhere, in about every way imaginable (yes, including secret walls with 0 tells).

And then there are items that you will NEVER figure out on your own, because the intended "solution" was to datamine how to get it from the files, and then for that knowledge to spread into the community via posts and wikis.

So either you play the game and accept you won't see a large portion of it, or you have one or both wikis open to refer back to. It's just that type of game.

Secret walls actually do have tells, if you miss them that is on you.

Only Archon archetype was meant to intentionally be found through datamining. That was the entire purpose of it and intention of the devs. Everything else is easily found just by playing the game.

The purpose of this game is to re-roll the campaign / adventure and replay to discover new areas and new collectables / items. That is the sole purpose of the game.
Some secrets are designed to be found by utilising the Explorer class that displays the location of them (which also helps if there are hidden walls / entrances etc)
Some secrets can be found by listening to the dialogs of npc's or reading descriptions on items.

[lily40k]

hmm funny enough some overpowered player carried me all the way trough campaign + found archon (probably leveled it up too by accident)

[SnowManBoobing ☃]

I personally give it a fair try before using the wiki or if I have a very strong suspicion there is more to something

[Caramel_Clown]

Realistically a lot of secrets won't be found by most players without a wiki, even if only one was "meant" to be datamined. They're just not very well done secrets. A lot of the puzzles though can be solved.