please buff/fix thorn the damage is unbearably bad for such a cool gun

[sucklord5K]

What the title said, it barely hits 2kdps with a ton of investment. its just so much worse than so many other guns

[Sparky862]

I clear Apoc without issues using Thorn Gun?

Sure it takes a bit longer because there are WAY more powerful builds out there .... But I like my Thorn build and applying AoE explotions and fire across the Maps without ease.

Thorn weapon with Ritualist is OP

[AdvancedNoob]

Sparky862 a écrit :

I clear Apoc without issues using Thorn Gun?

Sure it takes a bit longer because there are WAY more powerful builds out there .... But I like my Thorn build and applying AoE explotions and fire across the Maps without ease.

Thorn weapon with Ritualist is OP

What is your build? Are you using summoner class for mod and explosion damage?

[Sparky862]

AdvancedNoob a écrit :

Sparky862 a écrit :

I clear Apoc without issues using Thorn Gun?

Sure it takes a bit longer because there are WAY more powerful builds out there .... But I like my Thorn build and applying AoE explotions and fire across the Maps without ease.

Thorn weapon with Ritualist is OP

What is your build? Are you using summoner class for mod and explosion damage?

Using Ritualist as primary
Summoner Secondary

Amulets I use the one that makes explosions apply burning. And because the weapon is explosive you apply constant burning spreading all across the map burning.

Rings I have Band of Fanatic because I don't carr about effective range, I care about Elemental.

I have the summoner ring that increases 5% Damage per summon.

I have the Timekeeper Jewele pr whatever the ring is that extends Status Durations.

Final ring is Singe Ring or something. The ring that applies 15% more Damage against burning enemies.

Primary Weapon Thorn with Bandit Mutator

Melee Krell Axe with Tainted Blaid

Secondary Your weapon choice with Tremmor, because Tremmors are explosions.

Your Primary Skill should be the 1st skill for Ritualist because that resets the timers of all Status and also apply Explosions and your Summoner Skill should be Flying Minions.

[Grimzy]

I actually agree with Sparky this time (Yeah who would have thought o.o).
Thorn is very good if built right. I might even say it is a bit slightly too powerful. But.....not that it matters too much o.o

[Sparky862]

Grimzy a écrit :

I actually agree with Sparky this time (Yeah who would have thought o.o).
Thorn is very good if built right. I might even say it is a bit slightly too powerful. But.....not that it matters too much o.o

Ba Dam Tsss

[sucklord5K]

Sparky862 a écrit :

I clear Apoc without issues using Thorn Gun?

Sure it takes a bit longer because there are WAY more powerful builds out there .... But I like my Thorn build and applying AoE explotions and fire across the Maps without ease.

Thorn weapon with Ritualist is OP

Yeah you can clear apoc with any gun, my point is EXACTLY that the gun isnt in tune with the rest of builds, the DPS is abysmal. Its literally just a worse version of a HANDGUN which shouldnt be a thing

[sucklord5K]

Grimzy a écrit :

I actually agree with Sparky this time (Yeah who would have thought o.o).
Thorn is very good if built right. I might even say it is a bit slightly too powerful. But.....not that it matters too much o.o

No, the gun does barely 2k dummy DPS, and on bosses where you cant consistently hit the weakpoint (which is quite a few because the auto aim mechanic it has is extremely cumbersome) the DPS is even worse. Theres no reason to pick this gun over any other explosive weapon, its strictly worse in damage across the board

[Sparky862]

sucklord5K a écrit :

Grimzy a écrit :

I actually agree with Sparky this time (Yeah who would have thought o.o).
Thorn is very good if built right. I might even say it is a bit slightly too powerful. But.....not that it matters too much o.o

No, the gun does barely 2k dummy DPS, and on bosses where you cant consistently hit the weakpoint (which is quite a few because the auto aim mechanic it has is extremely cumbersome) the DPS is even worse. Theres no reason to pick this gun over any other explosive weapon, its strictly worse in damage across the board

Because the gun is build around not getting weakspots.

If you want weakspots you are using the gun wrong because it's not what the gun is intended for.

There are better options out there if you want to hit Weakspots.

[Sparky862]

sucklord5K a écrit :

Grimzy a écrit :

I actually agree with Sparky this time (Yeah who would have thought o.o).
Thorn is very good if built right. I might even say it is a bit slightly too powerful. But.....not that it matters too much o.o

No, the gun does barely 2k dummy DPS, and on bosses where you cant consistently hit the weakpoint (which is quite a few because the auto aim mechanic it has is extremely cumbersome) the DPS is even worse. Theres no reason to pick this gun over any other explosive weapon, its strictly worse in damage across the board

Like I said, I dunno. My build kills everything with ease, even bosses.

Does it one shot insta kill gib the boss like other builds? No .... But it still goes fairly fast and I have no problems.

I mean like I said, with a propper build you clear a whole room by just killing one enemy. And when you get to the Boss, it clears fairly with ease.

Not sure why you struggling. Prob building around the weapon wrong.

[Grimzy]

sucklord5K a écrit :

Grimzy a écrit :

I actually agree with Sparky this time (Yeah who would have thought o.o).
Thorn is very good if built right. I might even say it is a bit slightly too powerful. But.....not that it matters too much o.o

No, the gun does barely 2k dummy DPS, and on bosses where you cant consistently hit the weakpoint (which is quite a few because the auto aim mechanic it has is extremely cumbersome) the DPS is even worse. Theres no reason to pick this gun over any other explosive weapon, its strictly worse in damage across the board

Then you are doing something wrong. I have no issues clearing bosses with it with ease even on Apoc. Also as sparky already said, this gun is not meant for weakspots.

[Sparky862]

Grimzy a écrit :

sucklord5K a écrit :

No, the gun does barely 2k dummy DPS, and on bosses where you cant consistently hit the weakpoint (which is quite a few because the auto aim mechanic it has is extremely cumbersome) the DPS is even worse. Theres no reason to pick this gun over any other explosive weapon, its strictly worse in damage across the board

Then you are doing something wrong. I have no issues clearing bosses with it with ease even on Apoc. Also as sparky already said, this gun is not meant for weakspots.

Yeah, I also have no problems clearing bosses with it.

Takes longer and by no means a one shot build like other builds. But it gets the job done with ease.

[sucklord5K]

Theres literally nothing to argue here. There are dummys that track DPS and the guns max DPS tracks well below the average build. You can clear apoc with literally any gun, that isnt a metric to prove if a gun is good or not. You can clear apoc with a fully unupgraded side arm if you had the ammo to do so. It has nothing to do with "wanting to hit weakspots" If the gun doesnt hit weakspots thats fine, its an explosive weapon, a lot of them dont, but the damage just isnt there, it was mathmatically underpreforming DPS wise, but they just patched the gun to scale with mod damage because guess what? it wasnt scaling properly. Crazy huh?

[sucklord5K]

and the dps is STILL very low btw. Why is this the only gun in the game that you have to sacrifice so much for the mod? If you build into mod/explosive damage the base ranged damage is abysmal and while the 40k hits are cool the overall dps is still very low, and if you build into any of the ranged damage routes the mod is a complete waste of time. It just needs more base DPS from firing the actual gun and not just have blowback hit hard.

[Sparky862]

sucklord5K a écrit :

and the dps is STILL very low btw. Why is this the only gun in the game that you have to sacrifice so much for the mod? If you build into mod/explosive damage the base ranged damage is abysmal and while the 40k hits are cool the overall dps is still very low, and if you build into any of the ranged damage routes the mod is a complete waste of time. It just needs more base DPS from firing the actual gun and not just have blowback hit hard.

Because like I said, the gun is not made for Weakspots or Base DPS, you don't build around those features.

What's the MP30 excuse for having low Damage, but still shines in other aspects?

[Sparky862]

sucklord5K a écrit :

Theres literally nothing to argue here. There are dummys that track DPS and the guns max DPS tracks well below the average build. You can clear apoc with literally any gun, that isnt a metric to prove if a gun is good or not. You can clear apoc with a fully unupgraded side arm if you had the ammo to do so. It has nothing to do with "wanting to hit weakspots" If the gun doesnt hit weakspots thats fine, its an explosive weapon, a lot of them dont, but the damage just isnt there, it was mathmatically underpreforming DPS wise, but they just patched the gun to scale with mod damage because guess what? it wasnt scaling properly. Crazy huh?

They buffed the gun in the aspect it should perform in, not because it was weak.

Just because the Dummies tracks under 2K damage doesn't mean the gun is weak, it just means the Dummies is not tracking other aspects in the game it should also take in to account and also doesn't trigger Trinket combinations to give you the weapon full potential.

Maybe you're not reading correctly, but I gave you a build, and it's not the fact that it "clears Apoc", it's the fact it CAN with ease .... Eeven Bosses ... So I'm not sure why it needs a Buff?

I already gave you my build, plus go on YT and you'll also find Thorn Builds clearing with ease, even Bosses.

Not every weapon in this game is ment to one shot Bosses .... It's supposed to be fun.

You're prob just building the Weapon wrong is all. Wrong Mutators and Classes.