Ol` Painless Melee Specialist Build Apocalypse

[Jumi]

Hey everybody, I enjoy souls and the likes and what a wonderful game remnant 2 is and boy oh boy the build crafting is a ball. I enjoy making and playing different builds and wanted to share this build with the community. Without further chatter I let the montage speak for itself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cFASR3k-m8

Build showcase at the end of the clip. All footage is shot on Apocalypse and its not cherry picked.

[Grizzly]

i wonder if that out DPS this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIO-lZeVgHE

tho it will miss out on the tanki side

[Jumi]

It will out dps that 4-5x, no question, just look at the numbers but he uses pure melee so there´s that.

[Grizzly]

Originally posted by Jumi:

It will out dps that 4-5x, no question, just look at the numbers but he uses pure melee so there´s that.

yesno, he doesnt need to dodge at all, meaning he can upkeep the time that he damages the enemy more then you. but i still think your damage is higher

[Jumi]

Originally posted by Grizzly:

Originally posted by Jumi:

It will out dps that 4-5x, no question, just look at the numbers but he uses pure melee so there´s that.

yesno, he doesnt need to dodge at all, meaning he can upkeep the time that he damages the enemy more then you. but i still think your damage is higher

He only shows small bits of fights and he is fighting the one true king on nightmare, he crits 400 dmg. I´d say that each to their own, a playstyle preferance, I personally don´t like idiot proof i.e brain dead.

Here is Ol´ Painless vs Kaeula and the one true king:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYuNuOmpBg0

I also did Labyrinth Sentinel with Ol´ Painless to show its versatility :D

As for potions: HP,Dark cider,CD potion and if using feastmaster signet movement/armor. Build has two free ring slots, momentum driver and feastmaster can be swapped as an ex. Probability cord and ring of grace and melee dmg from relic can be swapped to health.

[Grizzly]

Originally posted by Jumi:

Originally posted by Grizzly:

yesno, he doesnt need to dodge at all, meaning he can upkeep the time that he damages the enemy more then you. but i still think your damage is higher

He only shows small bits of fights and he is fighting the one true king on nightmare, he crits 400 dmg. I´d say that each to their own, a playstyle preferance, I personally don´t like idiot proof i.e brain dead.

Here is Ol´ Painless vs Kaeula and the one true king:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYuNuOmpBg0

I also did Labyrinth Sentinel with Ol´ Painless to show its versatility :D

As for potions: HP,Dark cider,CD potion and if using feastmaster signet movement/armor. Build has two free ring slots, momentum driver and feastmaster can be swapped as an ex. Probability cord and ring of grace and melee dmg from relic can be swapped to health.

pretty sure it was apoc not nightmare, and you also dont need to see more then the bits to know that it works. at the end of the video he says the only boss where you cant just spam heavy attacks and win with this build is venom, and if you dont belive it then you could simply copy the build and try it to see that it works.

for labyrinth sentinel is no real build needed tbh, its more of a mental challenge then a real fight. go for some DR and HP regen in case you have to tank one of the attacks and then go around shoot everything down as your damage doesnt matter either. dont need to be able to role even so thats that

edit: in the fight against Kaeula he did 2K dmg if one of the two hits of a heavy attack crits and one true king had 1K alone on the projectile crit so idk how you ended up with 400

you can actually see 3/4 of his HP getting cut down without a cut in the video, which happened within 2 minutes, meaning his total fight time is less then yours (unless the king goes up another time for him, in that case it would be almost the exact same)

[Jumi]

He fights King on NM, the king only has 1 affix. Apoc has 2. I believe his build works, I didn´t say it doesen´t work, I said it´s brain dead, no skill no effort type of build and since he is spamming projectile only it can hardly even be counted as melee but as I said each to their own and to answer your original q, yes my build out dps his with flying colours.

I honed the build, behold the final form of Ol` Painless, stronger than hell. This is how it looks like vs Venom:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Pb7r8Cft8

[Grizzly]

Originally posted by Jumi:

He fights King on NM, the king only has 1 affix. Apoc has 2.

nope, its apoc. you know that there is a skull at the corner of the map that shows the difficulty right? and his is the one for apoc. the video is simply older and back then the boss only had one affix
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3158352705
which again means that he kills the king faster or in about the same time as yours. to clear it up a bit better, your DPS might be higher, but he is able to keep it up better. His build also has less risks

the effort is in building it, but thats nothing that can be argued about with facts so its no point to continue on either way. spamming projectile is accepted by everyone ive talked with about this game in the last 5 months, so id say you are in the minority here with thinking that this cant be called melee build (aside of you using actual weapons in your king fight?)

edit: actually he also tanks all the hits from the king which means the king with drain heals a ton, meaning without drain he wouldve killed him even faster. you do get hit too, but not as much

[Jumi]

So he is fighting king on an outdated version of the game and only shows a bit from it and when king´s hammer breaks and he takes a chunk of dmg you base the speed on that.

No comment on Venom, no surprice there. How about you take his build go fight Venom and post the clip.

[Grizzly]

Originally posted by Jumi:

So he is fighting king on an outdated version of the game and only shows a bit from it and when king´s hammer breaks and he takes a chunk of dmg you base the speed on that.

No comment on Venom, no surprice there. How about you take his build go fight Venom and post the clip.

can do but like why? he said himself that the build is not good for venom, so why should i use a build that is not good for that fight for that fight? what is that of a logic?

do you need me to do a clip against the king with that build too? the only thing that changed is the added affix, which could just be something like status resistance and therefore meaningless in the fight. and again you lie (? cause that has to be on purpose by now) by saying he only shows a "bit" of it. idk about you, but showing 75% of the entire fight without cuts isnt a bit for me so yes, i take that time from it and you are just a sore loser at this point.

edit: i have done the king with the build now, took 4:30 which is almost exactly the same time as you had, however i had him with hearty and you with drain, imo drain is not noticeable on the HP bar with this boss and hearty with 15% more HP is but i dont wanna argue about it as I dont have the stats about just how much HP Drain gives the boss so i set it equal with hearty and therefore, the build and yours had the same speed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SroxEk8GH2Y
my playstyle is usually very diffrent tho, i dont like tanking if i can avoid it, as i usually play something like this (which ended up accidentally no hit lol)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJAv0Hyp7Uk

[Jumi]

Oi mate, let´s chill a bit, no need to call me a liar nor loser, that is fruitless. Let´s analyze objectively and keep the convo productive.

The point and logic fighting Venom is to challenge yourself and the build to get a more realistic view of the real dps by stepping out of the comfort zone.

The one true king is the perfect boss for the braindead build. For Ol´ Painless its the hardest boss speed wise because it´s hard to stay on melee range and score hits and he keeps teleporting a lot when you are in the melee range. However I believe that I can kill it, by him going up just once, I´ll give it a shot.

Anyways you say the killing speed of the builds vs the king is similiar so the difference comes fighting mobs,elites and other bosses and this is my reply..

The final form of Ol´ Painless, a new montage and build update:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_Mat03f-Bg

[Grizzly]

Originally posted by Jumi:

Oi mate, let´s chill a bit, no need to call me a liar nor loser, that is fruitless. Let´s analyze objectively and keep the convo productive.

The point and logic fighting Venom is to challenge yourself and the build to get a more realistic view of the real dps by stepping out of the comfort zone.

The one true king is the perfect boss for the braindead build. For Ol´ Painless its the hardest boss speed wise because it´s hard to stay on melee range and score hits and he keeps teleporting a lot when you are in the melee range. However I believe that I can kill it, by him going up just once, I´ll give it a shot.

Anyways you say the killing speed of the builds vs the king is similiar so the difference comes fighting mobs,elites and other bosses and this is my reply..

The final form of Ol´ Painless, a new montage and build update:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_Mat03f-Bg

alrighty mate but killing speed on mobs wasnt even the topic, i never tired to argue that this build is gonna be better at everything. if wed want to go that route i could simply use my build form the second vid which insta kills any mob enemy and with that kill everything within 15 meters around it too, and thats without miasma.

all i said is that the first version of your build wouldnt be able to kill bosses faster most of the time, while being less risky.

I also dont try to make builds that are great at dealing with everything, as that would make the builds worse, so for the tank build to only fail at one boss of the entire game makes it pretty darn good and id simply use another build against that boss.

[Jumi]

"I also dont try to make builds that are great at dealing with everything, as that would make the builds worse, so for the tank build to only fail at one boss of the entire game makes it pretty darn good and id simply use another build against that boss."

I posted this build and made the clips cause I found the gameplay of the build fun and thought others might aswell enjoy it.

As I suspected Ol´ Painless still had one gear left, signed improved or as they say git gud and so did the build.

I hope this answers your question does Ol´ Painless outdps the projectile spammer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQujgCwKUK4

[Grizzly]

Originally posted by Jumi:

"I also dont try to make builds that are great at dealing with everything, as that would make the builds worse, so for the tank build to only fail at one boss of the entire game makes it pretty darn good and id simply use another build against that boss."

I posted this build and made the clips cause I found the gameplay of the build fun and thought others might aswell enjoy it.

As I suspected Ol´ Painless still had one gear left, signed improved or as they say git gud and so did the build.

I hope this answers your question does Ol´ Painless outdps the projectile spammer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQujgCwKUK4

welllllll two things about that

first of all, your build is changed now, so its not the build anymore that i compared and i already mentioned that dps was the wrong way to say it, as your DPS in itself is higher, just the upkeep of the DPS not which is why the build isnt going to be faster(talking about the old build, not the new one)


second, you were a bit faster indeed, about 10 seconds. now if you dont understand how i end up with that small difference:
you got one less spawner phase, in which you cant damage the boss, and you also dont have hearty, which i had and which wouldve made it way more likely for you to get another spawner phase.

the spawner phase took always about 40 sec, for you and me. If we take that away from the fighting time then we are left with 2:10 for you and 2:40 for me(starting to count when we start to do damage), but there is still hearty, which will make it take 15% longer cause its 15% more HP either way. so if you had hearty too you would have taken 15% longer too, which is 2:30

nothing against builds for fun btw, i wouldnt continue this anyhow but its kinda fun atm cause i like talking about builds


edit: mob killing with that elemental build that i got looks like this
https://youtu.be/rqv-UORofwc

[Jumi]

The build is the same, I´ve simply altered it to more defensive/mobile/damaging at the expense of dps/defense/mobility. Setup is the same with same archetypes,same weapons and same mods.

Timer starts when you enter the boss room and stops when the boss is dead. Your time was 4:00 or a bit longer and mine was 2:50 and that´s it. Affixes are what they are, elemental resist is bad for my dots, if you think you can kill it, with braindead in just 1 upside phase post a clip about it, I don´t care what affixes you get.

And as I pointed out the one true king favours braindead and is one of the hardest bosses speed wise for Ol´ Painless from bosses that are reasonable for a real melee build, then again for the laughs could try Ol´ Painless vs Annie and Shalalaa :D

[Grizzly]

Originally posted by Jumi:

The build is the same, I´ve simply altered it to more defensive/mobile/damaging at the expense of dps/defense/mobility. Setup is the same with same archetypes,same weapons and same mods.

Timer starts when you enter the boss room and stops when the boss is dead. Your time was 4:00 or a bit longer and mine was 2:50 and that´s it. Affixes are what they are, elemental resist is bad for my dots, if you think you can kill it, with braindead in just 1 upside phase post a clip about it, I don´t care what affixes you get.

And as I pointed out the one true king favours braindead and is one of the hardest bosses speed wise for Ol´ Painless from bosses that are reasonable for a real melee build, then again for the laughs could try Ol´ Painless vs Annie and Shalalaa :D

then i got no reason to talk to you anymore, cant argue when facts get ignored