Why no "easy" or "just the story" difficulty?

[Gray Fox]

One of the things that deterred me from finishing Remnant 1 (eventually found a trainer for it which works great, thank god), was its absurd difficulty in many bosses (that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sewer boss with charge and adds ffs...) which even when overcome, did not make me feel in any way satisfied, only frustrated that I had to go through so many rinse repeats just to advance the story.

Is this a genz/new age/woke/love is love/blm/quadruple vaxed/identifying your life achievements based on how many "epic" pixels you have in a video game thing, this idea that story should not be enjoyed without "getting gud"?

What if I don't want the "uber loots"?
What if I don't care about the "epicz skinz"?
What if I couldn't give a ♥♥♥♥ less about """"achievements"""" (what the ♥♥♥♥ is anyone even achieving in most of these?)?

What if I just really enjoy the story, world and exploration and want to focus on that regardless of whatever "rewards" the game gives me?

[LittleEtherKitty]

Originally posted by Butcher:

Originally posted by Sciophyte:

Glad to hear I'm not the only one. Sure, playing through an entire game on god mode is pointless and dull, but those boss fights that can cost you hours of your life as you try again and again? I one-shot those motherlovers and get on with enjoying the fair challenges of the game...

You cheated not only the game, but yourself. You didn't grow. You didn't improve. You took a shortcut and gained nothing. You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained. It's sad that you don't know the difference.

Originally posted by Rain:

Originally posted by Butcher:

You cheated not only the game, but yourself. You didn't grow. You didn't improve. You took a shortcut and gained nothing. You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained. It's sad that you don't know the difference.

Some people struggle with their ego so they can't take the L and improve to get the W.

They gained the satisfaction of not getting irritated, they gamed the experience of the rest of the game, and they gained time to do other stuff with. Not everyone wants a challenging fight.

[SteveZee]

Yeah i agree that all of these games have no reason to not include a "story mode" for players new to "souls games". That being said this game really isn't that interesting even w/o a souls like play style (combat is fun, but the gameplay loop is really bad). But the devs choose what they want it to be. I agree with you that it should exist. In reality the game isn't good enough for anyone to care anyways because it was on sale for 30 bucks. Basically a quick cash grab and no real serious reason to cater unless they think lots of others will buy it if they do.

[SteveZee]

Originally posted by ImGodAwful1979:

Originally posted by Avroveks:

just download the trainer, cheats, etc. I always do this in complex games, I don’t understand what’s the point of wasting time, which is always not enough, on some kind of nerdiness

Why do you play the game in the first place? I'm not being snide, it's a serious question. What's the gratification if you have tools help you beat a game? This game, as mentioned earlier, has the story depth of your average porn movie, so the story can't be driving factor? The game revolves around the combat, tinkering around with builds, playstyles and farming stuff untill there;s nothing left to do.

I absolutely suck at Dark Souls and I tried many times to try and get serious about beating the game, but I will never use tools or mods to make the game easier. In the end, I decided that FromSoft games, no matter how appealing, are just not for me. Im not good enough and the experience becomes depressing because of my lack of skill and in the end, lack of persistence.

Not everybody cares for it to be a challenging game bro. Thats how life works. Robbing ones self? Of what? Video games aren't real life and dont matter. If someone is just interested in a quick short story to ♥♥♥♥ around in a casual like game mod theres nothing wrong with that. People with proper heads on their shoulders understand that v games dont matter but can be a quick means of having some fun. And if you only have like <20 hours a week to play anything at all then you dont really care to be "good at games". Especially if you work a real job. Not many people here do. And not everybody is you. You dont have to get so easily offended just because somebody else asks for something you dont like. If you can't handle reading it, dont be here. Or if you wanna say your piece fine, just understand that other people have their perspective too and yours doesn't trump theirs just because you have it.

[Gray Fox]

Originally posted by Xaelon:

There isn't a story difficulty because there isn't much story. If you're expecting an engrossing story with tons of dialogue and deep characters I'd suggest you look elsewhere. This game isn't for you. You should probably stay away from souls-like games in general tbh.

The meat of this game is in the combat and the systems that interact with it. A difficulty like what you're proposing would allow you to beat the game without learning any of the systems and thus skipping probably 95% of the game. This game has like 4 cutscenes total. Two at the beginning, one near the middle and one at the end. If that's all you're interested in just look up a playthrough on youtube and save yourself $50.

Games don't have to be designed to appeal to everyone. I don't like Call of Duty for example but I don't go on the MW3 forum asking why the game doesn't play like Escape from Tarkov. I just don't buy CoD games and go on with my life.

To me story is about quality over quantity.

And most if not all of Remnant 1's characters, journals and computer entries create a very a engrossing atmosphere, because of how well they are written.

I would play Remnant's "short" story any day over some nonsense like BG3 where over half the story is about porn, generic fantasy nonsense and good voice acting which carries otherwise insipid storylines.
Let's not even get into the woke nonsense which just sours the whole experience because it takes you out of a fantasy world and reminds you that civic activism is now a mandatory part of most AAA games.

Your examples and analogies are weak and poorly thought out. I never asked for this game to be a different type of game, I asked for an easier difficulty which allows exploration and searching for lore clues even if that means getting little to no pixel "rewards".

Many modern games have a "just the story" or "easy" setting. You lose the "epicz" but gain the ability to just explore the world.

Win some lose some, there's a reason that expression exists.

[Gray Fox]

Originally posted by Avroveks:

just download the trainer, cheats, etc. I always do this in complex games, I don’t understand what’s the point of wasting time, which is always not enough, on some kind of nerdiness

yeah that's what i did for R1 but i'd rather not, i don't mind being challenged by a game, but when you have to do a boss 20 times because of things like RNG spawn of ads (as brought up by many, many people on the R1 Steam forums), that's not challenge, that's just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Even beating the boss doesn't make you feel good, just annoyed at how much time you wasted.

[Gray Fox]

Originally posted by ImGodAwful1979:

Originally posted by Avroveks:

just download the trainer, cheats, etc. I always do this in complex games, I don’t understand what’s the point of wasting time, which is always not enough, on some kind of nerdiness

Why do you play the game in the first place? I'm not being snide, it's a serious question. What's the gratification if you have tools help you beat a game? This game, as mentioned earlier, has the story depth of your average porn movie, so the story can't be driving factor? The game revolves around the combat, tinkering around with builds, playstyles and farming stuff untill there;s nothing left to do.

I absolutely suck at Dark Souls and I tried many times to try and get serious about beating the game, but I will never use tools or mods to make the game easier. In the end, I decided that FromSoft games, no matter how appealing, are just not for me. Im not good enough and the experience becomes depressing because of my lack of skill and in the end, lack of persistence.

A game offering an easier experience with an offset in loot, as is the main point of this game's "rewards", doesn't mean a game can't offer some challenge to overcome.

WoW has raid finder which while miles easier than regular raiding, still experiences many wipes from players who don't follow mechanics. However, the mechanics are much more lenient, you won't get 1 shot, you'll get say 2-3-4 shot.

Downside? Less pretty loot, less quality loot, less "achievements", less everything in terms of pixels rewards.
Upside? Everyone who is just interested in the story and seeing the mechanics, even if 90% of the "hard" mode, can do so.

Everybody wins, nobody loses.
The "muh epics" tryhards can still gloat to everyone how they spent 200h to get every time in the game.
The people who just want to play a game and experience visuals, audio and story, can do so too.

[Gray Fox]

Originally posted by Butcher:

Originally posted by Sciophyte:

Glad to hear I'm not the only one. Sure, playing through an entire game on god mode is pointless and dull, but those boss fights that can cost you hours of your life as you try again and again? I one-shot those motherlovers and get on with enjoying the fair challenges of the game...

You cheated not only the game, but yourself. You didn't grow. You didn't improve. You took a shortcut and gained nothing. You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained. It's sad that you don't know the difference.

If you want to grow and improve read a book, do some pushups, learn a skill and stop jerking off.
If you want to practice coordination play badminton and pool.

Only thing that grows after killing a boss after 20 attempts and winning due to RNG is your pointer finger muscle and cellulite.

[Sciophyte]

Originally posted by Butcher:

Originally posted by Sciophyte:

Glad to hear I'm not the only one. Sure, playing through an entire game on god mode is pointless and dull, but those boss fights that can cost you hours of your life as you try again and again? I one-shot those motherlovers and get on with enjoying the fair challenges of the game...

You cheated not only the game, but yourself. You didn't grow. You didn't improve. You took a shortcut and gained nothing. You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained. It's sad that you don't know the difference.

Well, at least I know the difference between real life and video games.

[Imnuktam]

While one of my favorite things that got me hooked on this and the first remnant game was its difficulty, I do have some friends that just plain quit and never finished because of it. Qwyllx or whatever that bridge bosses name in the first one got 2 people who got frustrated and just gave up. Tried carrying them through it but man that was a tough one when you are in a 3p game and they both insta roll off the bridge or go down leaving you to try to solo it with mp stats.

There should be a story progressing easy mode for people that want to enjoy the story and arent old vets at fps games. They would have kicked the skill down, got past it and put it back up instead of just quitting.

Why do so many people care if that was added for the game? Beating it on apoc doesnt make me feel like easy shouldnt exist because I had to work harder in apoc, I chose that and played it in that mode because of the challenge. Others should also have the option to play a game that fits the challenge level they want from it.

[Lowbei]

nah, games dont need to change to suit the needs of individuals who cannot meet the most baseline difficulty thresholds.

survivor difficulty is so easy that my 11 year old completed it. Shes in 6th grade.

[LittleEtherKitty]

Originally posted by Belle Delphine Targaryen!:

This thread again for a different game? First it was Why no easy mode?for Dark Souls 2, Dark Souls 3, Elden Ring, Lies of P, Lords of the Fallen, Nioh, Nioh 2, Remnant: From the Ashes, and Sekiro.

If Asmongold can play the game on the hardest difficulty for 4+ hours, you can too! He's in the top 200 Dark Souls player in the world!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj1pV6JC0qQ&t=692s

You're going to compare presumably an average player to a top 200 player? That is a ridiculous comparison.

[Gray Fox]

Originally posted by Belle Delphine Targaryen!:

This thread again for a different game? First it was Why no easy mode?for Dark Souls 2, Dark Souls 3, Elden Ring, Lies of P, Lords of the Fallen, Nioh, Nioh 2, Remnant: From the Ashes, and Sekiro.

If Asmongold can play the game on the hardest difficulty for 4+ hours, you can too! He's in the top 200 Dark Souls player in the world!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj1pV6JC0qQ&t=692s

you fashion your life according to what that pedophile looking freak does?

[Gray Fox]

Originally posted by Lowbei:

nah, games dont need to change to suit the needs of individuals who cannot meet the most baseline difficulty thresholds.

survivor difficulty is so easy that my 11 year old completed it. Shes in 6th grade.

Maybe if she wasn't spending time fighting the same boss 30 times she'd have finished 6th grade by the time she was 10, like most normal people

hey, we need strippers in the world too

[Atma]

Originally posted by Imnuktam:

While one of my favorite things that got me hooked on this and the first remnant game was its difficulty, I do have some friends that just plain quit and never finished because of it. Qwyllx or whatever that bridge bosses name in the first one got 2 people who got frustrated and just gave up. Tried carrying them through it but man that was a tough one when you are in a 3p game and they both insta roll off the bridge or go down leaving you to try to solo it with mp stats.

There should be a story progressing easy mode for people that want to enjoy the story and arent old vets at fps games. They would have kicked the skill down, got past it and put it back up instead of just quitting.

Why do so many people care if that was added for the game? Beating it on apoc doesnt make me feel like easy shouldnt exist because I had to work harder in apoc, I chose that and played it in that mode because of the challenge. Others should also have the option to play a game that fits the challenge level they want from it.

Because that's not the game the devs wanted to make.

I'm definitely not an old fps vet lol, I have terrible twitch reflexes, but I love Remnant. Party of why I play mainly melee builds.

But this game specifically is about overcoming challenges w/ the tools provided, so a super easy story mode sorta defeats the purpose of the game's existence.

It's cool though, there are plenty of other games that do this.

[LittleEtherKitty]

Originally posted by Atma:

Originally posted by Imnuktam:

While one of my favorite things that got me hooked on this and the first remnant game was its difficulty, I do have some friends that just plain quit and never finished because of it. Qwyllx or whatever that bridge bosses name in the first one got 2 people who got frustrated and just gave up. Tried carrying them through it but man that was a tough one when you are in a 3p game and they both insta roll off the bridge or go down leaving you to try to solo it with mp stats.

There should be a story progressing easy mode for people that want to enjoy the story and arent old vets at fps games. They would have kicked the skill down, got past it and put it back up instead of just quitting.

Why do so many people care if that was added for the game? Beating it on apoc doesnt make me feel like easy shouldnt exist because I had to work harder in apoc, I chose that and played it in that mode because of the challenge. Others should also have the option to play a game that fits the challenge level they want from it.

Because that's not the game the devs wanted to make.

I'm definitely not an old fps vet lol, I have terrible twitch reflexes, but I love Remnant. Party of why I play mainly melee builds.

But this game specifically is about overcoming challenges w/ the tools provided, so a super easy story mode sorta defeats the purpose of the game's existence.

It's cool though, there are plenty of other games that do this.

Ontop of that, the devs are fine with people modding their games and you can make it easy mode like that.