Keep seeing in discussions about people dying to get the Alchemist archetype, though I got it today just fine

[Vahnkiljoy]

I was out in the Dran world when I encountered some Dran beating up on the cloaked beheader guy, when I joined in and backup up I go grabbed and put into an animation of being yoinked into sewers to be spit out onto bones. There of course I fought an unnamed rat elite thing, which after killing it I got the drop so, was the method of attaining it changed?

[JaegerSnake]

it is exactly how I got the archetype during the early access. simply, it was an issue for hardcore characters because it was a forced death that permanently killed the character, a thing that should be patched out by now

[Rubyeyed]

When I got it near release my character died after he got pulled by the rat and after death spawned in it's lair.

[Malidictus]

Being dragged into the sewer grate is a death state. It resets enemies and your ammo/relics/mods. In multiplayer, the person who gets dragged is considered dead while the others still roam around. Not really sure how it works outside of single player, actually.

[Vahnkiljoy]

Oh really? It didn't say I died though since it basically was the same as the cryo chamber in essence on N'erud. That seems like quite the oversight though holy hell.

[MrLuckless]

Getting the Alchemist and the armor set involve going near one of the large sewer grates in Losomn, the over-world for the archetype and one of the sewer dungeons for the armor. It technically counts as a death (unless the devs finally fixed that) and it also sometimes bugs out but otherwise you have to fight an aberration boss. Do that 2 times to get all the Alchemist related stuff.

[Malidictus]

Originally posted by Vahnkiljoy:

Oh really? It didn't say I died though since it basically was the same as the cryo chamber in essence on N'erud. That seems like quite the oversight though holy hell.

I don't know if it counts as a death for the purposes of Hardcore Characters, but it appears to use the "death and respawn" mechanic to transition you into the new area. This is based on the fact that health, ammo and enemies reset, as well as that you show up as "dead" in multiplayer when it happens to you.

[Riccioli d'Orco]

Originally posted by Malidictus:

Being dragged into the sewer grate is a death state. It resets enemies and your ammo/relics/mods. In multiplayer, the person who gets dragged is considered dead while the others still roam around. Not really sure how it works outside of single player, actually.

if people who are not dragged drink "liquid escape" then every player gets spawned in the lair

[The Time Traveler]

Originally posted by Vahnkiljoy:

I was out in the Dran world when I encountered some Dran beating up on the cloaked beheader guy, when I joined in and backup up I go grabbed and put into an animation of being yoinked into sewers to be spit out onto bones. There of course I fought an unnamed rat elite thing, which after killing it I got the drop so, was the method of attaining it changed?

its a werewolf. not a rat

[Malidictus]

Originally posted by Riccioli d'Orco:

if people who are not dragged drink "liquid escape" then every player gets spawned in the lair

Would co-op partners dying work, as well? I ask, because last time it happened, my co-op partner revived me at the World Stone.

[Vahnkiljoy]

Yeah I actually got grabbed in my friends world, didn't mean to, it killed me, and he revived me at the crystal as well, really should have counted for both of us so he could get the arch unlocked, annoying.

[Handbanana]

Originally posted by Vahnkiljoy:

Yeah I actually got grabbed in my friends world, didn't mean to, it killed me, and he revived me at the crystal as well, really should have counted for both of us so he could get the arch unlocked, annoying.

In multiplayer the other play needs to die to trigger the event.

[Vahnkiljoy]

That is quite a stupid way to go about it holy hell.

[Handbanana]

Originally posted by Vahnkiljoy:

That is quite a stupid way to go about it holy hell.

I don't think its working as intended. Not sure. I imagine we will see a fix for it at some point.

[Deathwing Zero]

Being grabbed to get the Alchemist Archetype or armor is a scripted death and was killing hardcore characters. This was patched on August 4th. Whether it's actually fixed or not I haven't tested. I avoided it in my hardcore playthrough. You can see the notes here:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1282100/discussions/0/3807282428855952785/

• Fixed an issue where scripted deaths from the Bone Harvester, Empress Guards, and Red Prince caused actual deaths and ended Hardcore runs.

[Xuhybrid]

Worth noting that if you unlock Alchemist(any secret archetype) on a normal character, it should be available for purchase on all your other characters at Wallace.