Remnant II

Remnant II

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𝕁𝕒𝕔𝕜𝕝𝕖 25 JUL 2023 a las 9:21 a. m.
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Nerf the Enigma
at this current build there is absolutely NO reason to use any other side arm besides the enigma, youd make your game actually 10x more difficult if you wasnt using it thats how op it is right now.
Publicado originalmente por Army of Optimists:
Publicado originalmente por PK_Thunder:
What you just did is a bad faith act called argument by absurdity.

Enigma isn't comparable to that, no one is talking about such a thing, and your actual argument can't be defended so you try to dodge salient points.

I have my own opinions on the Enigma, but the 11th page isn't the place to air them.

What I wanted to comment on was your "argument by absurdity." The actual argument method is called reductdio ad absurdum, or "reduce to absurdity" and it isn't fallacy. In fact, it's a valid way to expose fallacious reasoning - usually statements that make sweeping "always", "never", "everyone", or "nobody" claims.

The guy you responded to showed a valid statement. We'd all likely agree that including an absurd, overpowered, and easily obtained instant-kill weapon is a poor idea even in a PvE game. That supports the argument that balance is important to some degree even in non-competitive games, we just disagree on where that line is. Reductio ad absurdum is exposing the fallacious idea often claimed that "balance is never important in a PvE game."
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jojokaizer 30 JUL 2023 a las 5:09 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Sygma:
theres much better than enigma. twisted arbalest for instance can clear entire rooms without you having to shoot enemies directly, just make the projectile bounce from the nearest wall

i dont think ive seen anything as nasty as twisted arbalest combined with nebula. its just to stupid

except the arbalest is a main weapon that sucks ass agasinst bosses or anything single target.
Aria Athena 30 JUL 2023 a las 5:09 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por yuzhonglu:
Publicado originalmente por Aria Athena:
Is the Enigma the chain lightning weapon, which every person that has it uses it?

Yes.

Feels like it does way too much damage to secondary targets. When I get, I'm using it, it's great for non-automatic primary weapons, like Coach Gun and such.
󠁳 30 JUL 2023 a las 5:14 p. m. 
its still not viable as a primary weapon, buff other sidearms instead of nerfing one of the few usable ones

you can always tell when someone doesnt really think about what they are saying, "this sidearm is actually good, nerf it to the ground so ALL sidearms are useless

this is also a non-pvp game, no competitive ranks, no leaderboards inside of the game, you don't like how good something is? then dont use it. something is boring to use like the nightfall? dont use it. you think challenger's prime perk is "cheap"? dont use it as primary.

"but its the best, why would i use anything else" my brother in christ you have free will, just dont equip it
CookingMaMa 30 JUL 2023 a las 5:28 p. m. 
Every time the game Dev doing a poor weapon/class balance job.

"This is a PvE game, why nerf it"
"Its a Single player game, just dont use it if u hate"
"We are not doing PvP, there is no competitor, no class/weapon balance is needed"

Última edición por CookingMaMa; 30 JUL 2023 a las 5:33 p. m.
Publicado originalmente por Midnight Ushiro:
at this current build there is absolutely NO reason to use any other side arm besides the enigma, youd make your game actually 10x more difficult if you wasnt using it thats how op it is right now.
this gun is definitly broken. i think the best thing they can do is take away the power from the aoe and put it into single target. make the initial target take a bit more damage then it does now but every target after the first gets like 20% reduced damage until it reaches the 5th target and the lightning breaks off
Darth_Roxs 30 JUL 2023 a las 5:40 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Midnight Ushiro:
Publicado originalmente por Drimon:
This is not a PvP Game so why Nerf any Weapon lol.
Same as in Dark Souls or Elden Ring... if you want to use Easy Mode Magic just do it but if you want a more fun and harder Game just dont


Publicado originalmente por Peter B:
Why nerf in a single player game? Let people play the way the want and do the same yourself.
never said it is a pvp game, id like to use another weapon viably like a revolver or any other boss weapon but i dont see a purpose of doing that when the enigma melts hordes of enemies in seconds. the enigma is the only weapon that is op in the entire game, every other weapon is balanced completely why cant we balance the enigma like every other game was before release??

That sounds like a you problem
Puru 31 JUL 2023 a las 5:08 a. m. 
I think the real issue with the Enigma is that it's a guaranteed aquisition that comes really strong without having to build around it whatsoever. After i was done with my first world in my nightmare playthrough i barely had any weapon mods or secondary weapon that felt anywhere near as strong. At this point it becomes clear that you just throw this in the secondary slot to deal with trash and use your primary for elite + boss kills. It doesn't help that you can use the mod to apply a dot for free to support the primary weapon.
Dyvawn 31 JUL 2023 a las 5:09 a. m. 
Teammates with enigma kills me more than it kills the enemies
Aria Athena 31 JUL 2023 a las 5:19 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Dyvawn:
Teammates with enigma kills me more than it kills the enemies

That is very true.
Moriibund 31 JUL 2023 a las 5:20 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Midnight Ushiro:
Publicado originalmente por Kashra Fall:

Quite aware of that, you're complaining about a sidearm in remnant 2, there were also OP sidearms in remnant one that Tromped every other option, however, just like the enigma, they weren't the only option, nor the best option. Ever tried a side arm with a mod building mechanic+voltaic orb? Does what enigma does and better and it's fun to watch!
ive gotten pretty decently into the game and no game should have one almighty omega item oh so easily obtainable like the enigma is, a few op weapons is fine but theres only one
Definitely not 'only one'... Nightfall with twisting wounds comes to mind. Couple that with a challenger/ archon build and you have an easy press left click to win. The game is full of 'viable options' and it's no one but your own fault that you don't want to explore those options. Nerfing guns in a co-op shooter? Look at how well that did for outriders.
Lilu Vakarian 31 JUL 2023 a las 5:24 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Midnight Ushiro:
at this current build there is absolutely NO reason to use any other side arm besides the enigma, youd make your game actually 10x more difficult if you wasnt using it thats how op it is right now.

I never use this weapon. I Dont like it.
The only point to nerf is the electric effect on the Team.

If you think its to easy with her use a other weapon there are a lot usefull. But dont nerf guns in a singleplayer game.
Start and buff the bad weapons.
Última edición por Lilu Vakarian; 31 JUL 2023 a las 5:25 a. m.
Smith 31 JUL 2023 a las 5:24 a. m. 
It's simple, don't use "enigma" .
Bouncy Boner Forest 31 JUL 2023 a las 5:26 a. m. 
no. buff other sidearms.
Chaos Diver Kyoubei 31 JUL 2023 a las 5:54 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Aria Athena:
Publicado originalmente por Dyvawn:
Teammates with enigma kills me more than it kills the enemies

That is very true.
that is not
Aria Athena 31 JUL 2023 a las 6:01 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Rat King:
Publicado originalmente por Aria Athena:

That is very true.
that is not

Maybe you got to play with considerate people. I on the other hand have gotten destroyed by that thing multiple times.
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