Nerf the Enigma

[𝕁𝕒𝕔𝕜𝕝𝕖]

at this current build there is absolutely NO reason to use any other side arm besides the enigma, youd make your game actually 10x more difficult if you wasnt using it thats how op it is right now.

[Nightsbane]

Originally posted by jojokaizer:

Originally posted by Nightsbane:

So no proof , zero evidence . Just assumptions got it

lol, you actually want to know how i know? I live in austin, and I've talked to people working on the game. multiple of them actually. you can believe me or not, but won't change the fact that the patch is coming today.

So your source is "trust me bro." I don't think you're trustworthy at all and just overly emotional about some fictional gun that happens to aoe well while being mediocre at best for single target

[jojokaizer]

Originally posted by Ao Bai Gaming:

Originally posted by jojokaizer:

or maybe they realized that these two guns are unequivocally the BEST in slot weapon bar none and overshadows every gun in the game? which requires tuning now rather than later? full balance, performance patch comes next week. nightfall AND enigma is happening today, because it's that overtuned, but I really don't expect you people to understand what it means to have a "balanced" game.

Lmao, you say that when Sporebloom exists and can 100% get higher DPS than Nightfall using the same exact HUGS build with a higher skill ceiling to master the useage of Sporebloom. Also, show me these patch notes if you're so confident that your fabled nerfs are coming, since you seem so well informed about it. Genuinely, I want to read them for myself and see if they have performance fixes.

lol you watched a vid and didn't understand anything from it and claim spore can have more dps. no it can't. nightfall's dps ramps up to 11k+ with set up, no gun is even close to it. not to mention consistency and out of mod window effectiveness. why are people so clueless and disingenuous these days?

[jojokaizer]

Originally posted by Ao Bai Gaming:

Originally posted by jojokaizer:

lol, you actually want to know how i know? I live in austin, and I've talked to people working on the game. multiple of them actually. you can believe me or not, but won't change the fact that the patch is coming today.

This has big 2008 Xbox Live "My dad works at Microsoft and he'll get you banned" vibes and I find that quite humorous.

like I said, come back in a few hours and you'll see. but I m sure you'll tell me it's a lucky guess, right?

[jojokaizer]

Originally posted by Nightsbane:

Originally posted by jojokaizer:

lol, you actually want to know how i know? I live in austin, and I've talked to people working on the game. multiple of them actually. you can believe me or not, but won't change the fact that the patch is coming today.

So your source is "trust me bro." I don't think you're trustworthy at all and just overly emotional about some fictional gun that happens to aoe well while being mediocre at best for single target

no.. if you can read, my source is someone working on the game. be here in a few hours to hear the crying tho.

[Ao Bai Gaming]

Originally posted by jojokaizer:

Originally posted by Nightsbane:

So your source is "trust me bro." I don't think you're trustworthy at all and just overly emotional about some fictional gun that happens to aoe well while being mediocre at best for single target

no.. if you can read, my source is someone working on the game. be here in a few hours to hear the crying tho.

That is literally what people mean when they say you're just saying "trust me bro". On the internet, you either back it up with receipts, I.E actual documentation, or you're full of it. I don't doubt that there will be some buffs or nerfs if there actually is a "balancing patch" coming, and that the Enigma may be at the front of the chopping block. Why is it on the chopping block? Because people like you complain about something that's effective without understanding the why of it. So let me ask you this one simple question.

What makes the Enigma so effective?

[Nyzerion]

Originally posted by jojokaizer:

Originally posted by Raffi:

The health of PVE game is not reliant on equally balancing weapons but CAN be influenced by how useable the weapons are, not how “overpowered” a single weapon is.

You literally have no clue what you’re talking about. Name a single PVE game has been ruined because of weapon balance. Garbage logic.

are you really asking what pve games have balance changes? seriously? every Crpg game including baldur's gate 3, divine divinity, or pillars of eternity have been balanced to BE WAY better than the original 1.0 version. you think people enjoy getting one spell, weapon, or character that just blows the game away and destroys any type of challenge from the player?

even action games like ninja gaiden had MULTIPLE passes of balance changes to nerf or buff weapons depending on use and how over or under tuned they are. GOOD BALANCE is literally what make a good game. single player or multi. I don't know where this idiotic notion of "A DURRR single player games need no balance" came from. I am seriously baffled by people like yourself.

Let's take for example diablo 4: they nerfed 2 classes to the ground, a lot of people stop playing and they are upping the class and gonna make them even more powerful than before.
Remove the big aoe clear a in Diablo-like games "because It's too OP" You will see how many people gonna play the game then...

Now you are in a Single Player game I'm sorry but most people play solo why do you want to nerf a gun that is good for clearing? You are supposed to be OP with a good build.
Ask for the Nerf and there will be something else replacing that until the dev nerfs everything because people are b***hurt because of a good gun.

You are using CRPG for example... Let's compare Call of duty nerf with World Of Warcraft...
If you want a challenge go play with another gun or do an Ironman challenge.

[jojokaizer]

Originally posted by Ao Bai Gaming:

Originally posted by jojokaizer:

no.. if you can read, my source is someone working on the game. be here in a few hours to hear the crying tho.

That is literally what people mean when they say you're just saying "trust me bro". On the internet, you either back it up with receipts, I.E actual documentation, or you're full of it. I don't doubt that there will be some buffs or nerfs if there actually is a "balancing patch" coming, and that the Enigma may be at the front of the chopping block. Why is it on the chopping block? Because people like you complain about something that's effective without understanding the why of it. So let me ask you this one simple question.

What makes the Enigma so effective?

dude are you really really this dense? what makes enigma so effective? aoe, auto aim, aoe dot stacking with explosion, stagger, and chains all barriers. it's amazing with ZERO build and completely oppressive if you actually build in it. you literally do not need to worry about anything and just hold the fire button down and close your eyes when a horde of mobs come your way.

YOU are the one who doesn't understand why a gun like this is extremely unhealthy for a game where you are running around killing mobs 90% of the time. like do you have any critical thinking skills at all?

[Ao Bai Gaming]

Originally posted by Nyzerion:

Originally posted by jojokaizer:

are you really asking what pve games have balance changes? seriously? every Crpg game including baldur's gate 3, divine divinity, or pillars of eternity have been balanced to BE WAY better than the original 1.0 version. you think people enjoy getting one spell, weapon, or character that just blows the game away and destroys any type of challenge from the player?

even action games like ninja gaiden had MULTIPLE passes of balance changes to nerf or buff weapons depending on use and how over or under tuned they are. GOOD BALANCE is literally what make a good game. single player or multi. I don't know where this idiotic notion of "A DURRR single player games need no balance" came from. I am seriously baffled by people like yourself.

Let's take for example diablo 4: they nerfed 2 classes to the ground, a lot of people stop playing and they are upping the class and gonna make them even more powerful than before.
Remove the big aoe clear a in Diablo-like games "because It's too OP" You will see how many people gonna play the game then...

Now you are in a Single Player game I'm sorry but most people play solo why do you want to nerf a gun that is good for clearing? You are supposed to be OP with a good build.
Ask for the Nerf and there will be something else replacing that until the dev nerfs everything because people are b***hurt because of a good gun.

You are using CRPG for example... Let's compare Call of duty nerf with World Of Warcraft...
If you want a challenge go play with another gun or do an Ironman challenge.

To be fair, I wouldn't wish a solo Hardcore run on anyone playing Remnant 2. It may make it more difficult, but having one person as an insurance policy sit at the Worldstone for places like The Lament or outside the Labyrinth Sentinel are pure godsends.

[jojokaizer]

Originally posted by Nyzerion:

Originally posted by jojokaizer:

are you really asking what pve games have balance changes? seriously? every Crpg game including baldur's gate 3, divine divinity, or pillars of eternity have been balanced to BE WAY better than the original 1.0 version. you think people enjoy getting one spell, weapon, or character that just blows the game away and destroys any type of challenge from the player?

even action games like ninja gaiden had MULTIPLE passes of balance changes to nerf or buff weapons depending on use and how over or under tuned they are. GOOD BALANCE is literally what make a good game. single player or multi. I don't know where this idiotic notion of "A DURRR single player games need no balance" came from. I am seriously baffled by people like yourself.

Let's take for example diablo 4: they nerfed 2 classes to the ground, a lot of people stop playing and they are upping the class and gonna make them even more powerful than before.
Remove the big aoe clear a in Diablo-like games "because It's too OP" You will see how many people gonna play the game then...

Now you are in a Single Player game I'm sorry but most people play solo why do you want to nerf a gun that is good for clearing? You are supposed to be OP with a good build.
Ask for the Nerf and there will be something else replacing that until the dev nerfs everything because people are b***hurt because of a good gun.

You are using CRPG for example... Let's compare Call of duty nerf with World Of Warcraft...
If you want a challenge go play with another gun or do an Ironman challenge.

do I want to nerf something in single player... YES, YES I DO. if that thing is overpowered and oppressive in the way someone plays the game. first of all, the game isn't single player, everyone and their mom is using enigma in coop, and I doubt that's gonna change much even after the nerf. but at least SOME people might try other weapons.

secondly, call of duty nerfs are the SAME as world of warcraft nerfs, they are there to balance the game. the problem with diablo 4 is that the devs are trying or being forced to milk the game for longer grinds, but they themselves don't understand the scaling system they added in to the game. it is straight up broken. so the problem was never nerfing or buffing classes, it's that the scaling system is off, and nothing in it can be good till they deal with it.

[Aria Athena]

Originally posted by Ao Bai Gaming:

To be fair, I wouldn't wish a solo Hardcore run on anyone playing Remnant 2. It may make it more difficult, but having one person as an insurance policy sit at the Worldstone for places like The Lament or outside the Labyrinth Sentinel are pure godsends.

For places like those, worst case scenario you can always back up your save.

[Nyzerion]

Originally posted by jojokaizer:

Originally posted by Nyzerion:

Let's take for example diablo 4: they nerfed 2 classes to the ground, a lot of people stop playing and they are upping the class and gonna make them even more powerful than before.
Remove the big aoe clear a in Diablo-like games "because It's too OP" You will see how many people gonna play the game then...

Now you are in a Single Player game I'm sorry but most people play solo why do you want to nerf a gun that is good for clearing? You are supposed to be OP with a good build.
Ask for the Nerf and there will be something else replacing that until the dev nerfs everything because people are b***hurt because of a good gun.

You are using CRPG for example... Let's compare Call of duty nerf with World Of Warcraft...
If you want a challenge go play with another gun or do an Ironman challenge.

do I want to nerf something in single player... YES, YES I DO. if that thing is overpowered and oppressive in the way someone plays the game. first of all, the game isn't single player, everyone and their mom is using enigma in coop, and I doubt that's gonna change much even after the nerf. but at least SOME people might try other weapons.

secondly, call of duty nerfs are the SAME as world of warcraft nerfs, they are there to balance the game. the problem with diablo 4 is that the devs are trying or being forced to milk the game for longer grinds, but they themselves don't understand the scaling system they added in to the game. it is straight up broken. so the problem was never nerfing or buffing classes, it's that the scaling system is off, and nothing in it can be good till they deal with it.

So let's nerf everything that is a bit OP right? So in the end playing the game becomes a chore?
Nerf in single-player are useless, only Fromsoft nerf soul-like games because of PvP.

I have 79h approx in remnant ps5 without using Enigma and I don't go crying on the forum about people making build video or using it in coop.

Why does the gun bother you? Because dev made a bad job creating good weapons?
Why do you think there is some OP tier build in every game not everything can be good you agree on that right?

Instead of Nerfing let's bring everything up to enigma level then.
Diablo 3 did it correctly instead of nerfing everything let's up everything and let players decide.

[jojokaizer]

Originally posted by Nyzerion:

Originally posted by jojokaizer:

do I want to nerf something in single player... YES, YES I DO. if that thing is overpowered and oppressive in the way someone plays the game. first of all, the game isn't single player, everyone and their mom is using enigma in coop, and I doubt that's gonna change much even after the nerf. but at least SOME people might try other weapons.

secondly, call of duty nerfs are the SAME as world of warcraft nerfs, they are there to balance the game. the problem with diablo 4 is that the devs are trying or being forced to milk the game for longer grinds, but they themselves don't understand the scaling system they added in to the game. it is straight up broken. so the problem was never nerfing or buffing classes, it's that the scaling system is off, and nothing in it can be good till they deal with it.

So let's nerf everything that is a bit OP right? So in the end playing the game becomes a chore?
Nerf in single-player are useless, only Fromsoft nerf soul-like games because of PvP.

I have 79h approx in remnant ps5 without using Enigma and I don't go crying on the forum about people making build video or using it in coop.

Why does the gun bother you? Because dev made a bad job creating good weapons?
Why do you think there is some OP tier build in every game not everything can be good you agree on that right?

Instead of Nerfing let's bring everything up to enigma level then.
Diablo 3 did it correctly instead of nerfing everything let's up everything and let players decide.

when did I say nerf everything, I said things that are oppressive and bad for the health of the game. tons of stuff that are pve based got nerfed in souls games, you think meteor shower spell is a pvp skill? or the laser beam? or even mimic for the most part.

the gun should bother you because it breaks the intention of the game. if you got a weapon in D4 that can one shot all bosses, I'd want it to be fixed as well. so why wouldn't you want to nerf a gun that invalidates ALL mobs in remnant 2?

[Nyzerion]

Originally posted by jojokaizer:

Originally posted by Nyzerion:

So let's nerf everything that is a bit OP right? So in the end playing the game becomes a chore?
Nerf in single-player are useless, only Fromsoft nerf soul-like games because of PvP.

I have 79h approx in remnant ps5 without using Enigma and I don't go crying on the forum about people making build video or using it in coop.

Why does the gun bother you? Because dev made a bad job creating good weapons?
Why do you think there is some OP tier build in every game not everything can be good you agree on that right?

Instead of Nerfing let's bring everything up to enigma level then.
Diablo 3 did it correctly instead of nerfing everything let's up everything and let players decide.

when did I say nerf everything, I said things that are oppressive and bad for the health of the game. tons of stuff that are pve based got nerfed in souls games, you think meteor shower spell is a pvp skill? or the laser beam? or even mimic for the most part.

the gun should bother you because it breaks the intention of the game. if you got a weapon in D4 that can one shot all bosses, I'd want it to be fixed as well. so why wouldn't you want to nerf a gun that invalidates ALL mobs in remnant 2?

You are talking about mobs, not bosses you are not supposed to be stuck on these...
The focus of the game is the boss fight. You are supposed to do them in a few seconds when you have an OP build like any other game.

Diablo wouldn't be Diablo without one-shotting everything...
Just a question did you play any Diablo or Diablo-like before? you know that the objective of the game is to one-shot everything...
There is speed farming build for this particular thing.
When you watch people kill Boss in Remnant 2 or Diablo or any other game with a full build it only takes a few seconds.
Most bosses I killed with the crescent bow for example take a few seconds in Apo. Is it too OP too ?

If you wanna Nerf Enigma you are still gonna complain later on when another gun is gonna be even more OP.
Until everything is nerfed to the ground you will complain.
If the gun bothers you don't use it simple as that.

[Firellius]

Originally posted by Veldaz:

Originally posted by Firellius:

I'm not really seeing how this thing is good against singular targets. It has shorter range and sub-par DPS as far as I can tell.

It instant kills nightmare Nued zombies in the blink of an eye. As well as the floating ones. The spiders the nighweaver summons melt easily. Humanoid mobs melt quickly. Ever had 10+ together at once and melted them in three to five seconds? It's that powerful.

It's good for mobs basically. Combine this with the fact it has shock debuffs. Which further means tight clusters of enemies get wiped out quickly. This happens on nightmare. If you're not getting that to happen then you probably don't have it upgraded to at least +7. Once it's +10 mobs stop being a challenge on nightmare.

As for bosses, the constant none aiming damage and the shock debuff will do its work. It's a weapon of little skill for easy damage. Ammo also constantly spawns in boss fights as well.

What makes it even stronger is you can combine this with bleed. Merciless+enigma=bleed and shock debuffs both. Bleed with one, shock with the other. That's constant damage output. This part I think is good and could be balanced well. The problem isn't the debuffs/area of effect. It's how quickly the weapon is killing mobs before the debuffs can even take effect (making them kind of useless outside of boss fights). Simply put, I'd like to toy with my prey longer with the weapon.

The only way to toy with the mobs with enigma when it's +10 is to play abyss. But then there's the problem of how squishy the player is. Enigma +10 on nightmare is too overpowered. Other weapons need more effort (and thus player interaction) for results. Enigma is more fire and forget. It's ultimately a weapon of little skill. The skill use is there, but it gets overshadowed due to how quickly mobs melt. Why even use the traps at all if they melt that quickly?

You ever heard of Tremor?

Yeah, the Enigma melts lightweight enemies, but it's hardly like it's the only thing that does. Loads of things can quickly clear out trash mobs. That's why they're called -trash- mobs. The Enigma isn't the only thing that's capable of consistently wrecking those.

That's why I was specifically asking about single target DPS. Enigma's great for clearing mobs and all, but if I can clear out a mob with a tremor shot, I'd rather put that Tremor on something that'll also pack a punch against a boss.

[Firellius]

Originally posted by jojokaizer:

Originally posted by Ao Bai Gaming:

Lmao, you say that when Sporebloom exists and can 100% get higher DPS than Nightfall using the same exact HUGS build with a higher skill ceiling to master the useage of Sporebloom. Also, show me these patch notes if you're so confident that your fabled nerfs are coming, since you seem so well informed about it. Genuinely, I want to read them for myself and see if they have performance fixes.

lol you watched a vid and didn't understand anything from it and claim spore can have more dps. no it can't. nightfall's dps ramps up to 11k+ with set up, no gun is even close to it. not to mention consistency and out of mod window effectiveness. why are people so clueless and disingenuous these days?

I thought you were having a hissy fit over the Enigma far outclassing all other guns in the game, what's this talk about Nightfall suddenly doing here?