empathy on mother mind

[The Tarnished Tarnish]

Empathy modifier heals the boss for 50% of it's health, way too punishing for healing with relic when the boss hits you for more than 50% your health.

[ベル・ムーン]

I Just had a 4h 37m battle with Faelin before I beat him with power level 4, and the starter gun with 4 upgrades on it. Just get better at the mechanics of the bosses

[TrojanKilla]

Its the hardest boss modifier for sure, we were fighting the first boss in nerud on nightmare last night for hours which was a shielded brain in a sewer. We got him to 25% health but couldn't finish him.

Empathy can be overcome with a medic or dog healing/tanking. It is very hard to deal with early in the game where you dont have alot of scrap to but items to heal instead or mods that can heal.

Tips are:
Dog healing
Medic healing in group (the best probably)
Consumables to heal
Healing grenade mod for 1500 gold in town
Mudtooth tonic that gives you .75% passive hp regen a second

None of these healing methods heal the boss

[Kay]

Unfortunately, it leaves really no room for error because reviving downed people heals the boss

[[Dk] Raziel]

Just ran into this. It's the most retarded thing ever.
Boss will destroy segments of the arena after fixed amounts of damage, throw those stupid acid balls where you CANNOT KNOW WHERE THEY WILL FALL, and they ALWAYS land on the ramps.
If you stand too far away you get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ by the claw the moment it touches the platform. If you get far away you cannot roll without falling.
All that avoid the stupid acid pools that will ♥♥♥♥ you up if you even grace them.

It is truly an awful boss design. You need a perfect run AND rng in order to beat this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ piece of ♥♥♥♥.

Whomever came up with this idea and concept deserve to get shot in the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ face

[Knavenformed]

Can't even imagine playing Dark Souls with the same mechanic.

A "no heal" run is usually a self imposed funny challenge, not something actually fun at all when trying to get through any game themselves.

And it's even worse how it's a random mechanic, so it can be applied to things that have been designed without even the modifier in mind.

[R i b s]

Yeah, I'm sorry. "Empathy" must be nerfed. We're all 3 very skilled players and are well into the game--3 hours, can't beat him. Forcing us to use consumables is kinda wonky and negates one of the core co-op mechanics. =/

[DaxiraxJr]

You get various equipment, a mod and a few skills that all provide healing ignored by empathy. Build for the boss.

[Froh]

Can confirm Empathy is clearly busted on a boss.

[Pliny The Welder]

Just an amazingly poorly designed mechanic as it's currently tuned and drives home many of the games issues. It simply doesn't feel carefully designed.

Can it be beat? Sure. Is this interesting? No.

The boss all on it's own is one of the worst because the acid pools are random, don't actually have a tell for where they'll land and make the fight an RNG fest. Adding empathy to this boss feels like no one even bothered playing it with this modifier.

What a mess.