Is DLSS a crutch for games with overall bad optimization?

[Mike]

Why do people praise DLSS so much? I really don't understand it.

DLSS might be a cool technology to give players options to dynamically lower the quality of their games in exchange for better fps. However with the release of recent AAA games that really push for DLSS, I'm noticing that running a game WITHOUT it and getting stable fps is almost impossible. Now a days your expected to play with DLSS because most games are unplayable without it turned on lol.

Let me put my tin foil cap on for a minute. Do you think a big reason so many AAA games are releasing their games with terrible optimization, is because they rely on features like DLSS (or AMD's equivalent) to take up the slack and cover for their lazy coding?

A few years ago before DLSS was really big I could play most AAA games maxed out (with high end hardware), at a high resolution and I did not need and artificial feature that LOWERS the quality of my game to get better fps. Now even if you have the best and most expensive rigs you have to put DLSS on to get stable fps

Anyway I do enjoy this game, but I really hope they fix this terrible optimization.

[nekov4ego]

Yep, DLSS and the rest of the upscaling are clearly a go-to shortcut for "optimisation" these days.

Under a certain output resolution threshold the choice is between a stable blur if you use old-school method of just dropping your output resolution, or a heavily sharpened image with various temporal artifacts and a performance penalty if you upscale

The whole "almost the same as native" is treated as though it applies all the same for factors below Quality on a 4K output.

[Lemale]

Yes it is. Flash is horrible everybody knows that

[Jpux]

UE is also terribly optimised 90% of the time

[sadman]

Ye dlss gimmick like if optimization enough good you not will need turn on dlss. But well if i am getting 90 fps with dlss idc i will turn on it

[sadman]

Originally posted by Jpux:

UE is also terribly optimised 90% of the time

ye that sucks devs choosed exactly that engine

[Mike]

Originally posted by nekov4ego:

Yep, DLSS and the rest of the upscaling are clearly a go-to shortcut for "optimisation" these days.

Under a certain output resolution threshold the choice is between a stable blur if you use old-school method of just dropping your output resolution, or a heavily sharpened image with various temporal artifacts and a performance penalty if you upscale

The whole "almost the same as native" is treated as though it applies all the same for factors below Quality on a 4K output.

Yeah, when you make technologies that pretty much "optimizes" the games themselves, why should devs actually put in resources to optimize their own games?

Its just sucks because so many recent games would be excellent if they actually focused on optimizations rather then leaving that up to some garbage A.I. technology.

[Calandir]

Originally posted by Mike:

Why do people praise DLSS so much? I really don't understand it.

DLSS might be a cool technology to give players options to dynamically lower the quality of their games in exchange for better fps. However with the release of recent AAA games that really push for DLSS, I'm noticing that running a game WITHOUT it and getting stable fps is almost impossible. Now a days your expected to play with DLSS because most games are unplayable without it turned on lol.

Let me put my tin foil cap on for a minute. Do you think a big reason so many AAA games are releasing their games with terrible optimization, is because they rely on features like DLSS (or AMD's equivalent) to take up the slack and cover for their lazy coding?

A few years ago before DLSS was really big I could play most AAA games maxed out (with high end hardware), at a high resolution and I did not need and artificial feature that LOWERS the quality of my game to get better fps. Now even if you have the best and most expensive rigs you have to put DLSS on to get stable fps

Anyway I do enjoy this game, but I really hope they fix this terrible optimization.

Game is unplayable without DLSS. It's honestly absurd. DLSS should help people who have problems with fps on lower graphics card, not a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 4090 or 4080. It's insanity.
While I did enjoy the first 1.30h of game, I'm refunding it until they make it work without DLSS. Even if I can use it I don't want to, because it makes games ulgy.

[Barbo]

There's a real issue with native here. Performances double with DLSS Quality, and its a "true" quality DLSS, visually compelling.

First time i see such a huge perf difference between native and DLSS.

Here with a 4090 @ 4K ultra : 40 fps native, 80 fps DLSS quality.

A more coherent result should be 60-65 FPS native, 80 fps DLSS quality.
That would still be really low for a 4090, but at least coherent.

[Corporal-Sheppard]

if dlss wasn't around I bet this game would have been delayed to fix performance.

[Engineer]

I do not understand this as well.

You release a game with "next-gen" graphics, that cannot be run on most PC specs without the DLSS, which blurs the image and makes your graphics worse. The logic is stunning.

How about you release a game with NORMAL graphics that's enjoyable and FPS-friendly without DLSS?

[sadman]

Originally posted by Erlandir:

Originally posted by Mike:

Why do people praise DLSS so much? I really don't understand it.

DLSS might be a cool technology to give players options to dynamically lower the quality of their games in exchange for better fps. However with the release of recent AAA games that really push for DLSS, I'm noticing that running a game WITHOUT it and getting stable fps is almost impossible. Now a days your expected to play with DLSS because most games are unplayable without it turned on lol.

Let me put my tin foil cap on for a minute. Do you think a big reason so many AAA games are releasing their games with terrible optimization, is because they rely on features like DLSS (or AMD's equivalent) to take up the slack and cover for their lazy coding?

A few years ago before DLSS was really big I could play most AAA games maxed out (with high end hardware), at a high resolution and I did not need and artificial feature that LOWERS the quality of my game to get better fps. Now even if you have the best and most expensive rigs you have to put DLSS on to get stable fps

Anyway I do enjoy this game, but I really hope they fix this terrible optimization.

Game is unplayable without DLSS. It's honestly absurd. DLSS should help people who have problems with fps on lower graphics card, not a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 4090 or 4080. It's insanity.
While I did enjoy the first 1.30h of game, I'm refunding it until they make it work without DLSS. Even if I can use it I don't want to, because it makes games ulgy.

ye true. idk how things would be though with lets say rx 6800 or 6800 xt. rtx 3070 not really powerful gpu though for indie, aa games its should be but ye 8gb of vram:(. Lets hope will getting 90 fps in qhd at low settings with dlss. and cpu kinda weak as people said-intel core i5 9600 kf

[Mike]

Originally posted by Erlandir:

Game is unplayable without DLSS. It's honestly absurd. DLSS should help people who have problems with fps on lower graphics card, not a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 4090 or 4080. It's insanity.
While I did enjoy the first 1.30h of game, I'm refunding it until they make it work without DLSS. Even if I can use it I don't want to, because it makes games ulgy.

Yeah I 100% agree. DLSS should have been left as a supporting technology to help people achieve higher fps with weaker rigs, It should not have been pushed as the end all be all of PC optimization for the most high end rigs in the business.

I personally will stick with the game because I do love the gameplay, it just sucks because this game would feel soooo good at a stable 120fps (or even 60-90fps), but we are stuck with what we have for the time being.

Sucks it had to happen to this game

[sadman]

Originally posted by Mike:

Originally posted by Erlandir:

Game is unplayable without DLSS. It's honestly absurd. DLSS should help people who have problems with fps on lower graphics card, not a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 4090 or 4080. It's insanity.
While I did enjoy the first 1.30h of game, I'm refunding it until they make it work without DLSS. Even if I can use it I don't want to, because it makes games ulgy.

Yeah I 100% agree. DLSS should have been left as a supporting technology to help people achieve higher fps with weaker rigs, It should not have been pushed as the end all be all of PC optimization for the most high end rigs in the business.

I personally will stick with the game because I do love the gameplay, it just sucks because this game would feel soooo good at a stable 120fps (or even 60-90fps), but we are stuck with what we have for the time being.

Sucks it had to happen to this game

ye like why devs just can't do it right whats problem. idc about other games anymore only about this

[Mike]

Originally posted by Corporal-Sheppard:

if dlss wasn't around I bet this game would have been delayed to fix performance.

If DLSS did not exist, developers would not have gotten lazy and started cutting corners on in house optimization of their games.

[sadman]

Originally posted by Mike:

Originally posted by Corporal-Sheppard:

if dlss wasn't around I bet this game would have been delayed to fix performance.

If DLSS did not exist, developers would not have gotten lazy and started cutting corners on in house optimization of their games.

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