The last boss in Co-op is overscaled way too much and the second phase is absolutely unbearable.

[TheDeacon]

We are not even playing on a higher difficulty we are playing on Veteran. Cant even imagine what will it be on Nightmare or Apocalypse. Combine that with UE crashes, performance issues and the epileptic seizure that is the 2nd phase its just fantastic. The host had no problem killing the boss solo, as a test he left Annihilation in near death state three times.

[Grimacetexas9]

because when more players are present the boss does not get x2 or x3 hp, it's more, because you can rez others i guess but still it makes it so that if someone lack damage or smeone dies the boss just become unbeatable because of it's hp

[Cruddy]

It has way too much HP for sure, 10k damage is like one segment and a half of it's total.

[TheDeacon]

Yes i have seen the scaling difference and i only have an issue with the balance of Annihilation. None of the other bosses in the campaign came even closer to him difficulty-wise, especially the second phase is just pure frustration.

[Kappa]

I think you just need a good healer.

Then the only difficulty you might find is when the boss has the spiteful or vicious ( the latter is the worse IMO) afflixes.

But in the end it's quite easy once players learn the patterns ( regardless the difficulty).

Another issue might be finding themselves to have to carry other players because they keep dying.

I helped a couple of players doing it in veteran, and in order to allow them to complete it alive I healed.

Not gonna lie, I had to use more than 70 relics in the whole fight, half of them to revive those two.

[Catatonic21]

in p2 dont really watch ♥♥♥♥ just listen for sound queues makes it alot easier over trying to watch whats coming for you in that mess

[Kappa]

@TheDeacon: If you want I can show you what I mean ( help you out with the boss in veteran) in about a hour. Add me on steam if you like so.

[TheDeacon]

@Kappa thank you friend for the offered help but i bought the game in order to have fun with couple of my friends.

[Darth_Angeal]

The boss is actually really good designed and the scaling is fine. We did it as 2, no healer involved.

Have we wiped for like 3 hours? Yes...

But was it fun to grow at it and get used to the patterns etc? Yes!!!

Nothing is more lame than bosses dieing really quick without having to care much about real mechanics or those, that have like 0 mechanics but are bulletsponges.

Yes the endboss might be solo easier especially since you´ll always be focused, so you can get used to all the stuff happening better. But it´s fine on multiplayer aswell.
It´s the endboss of the game and should be threatened as that.

[A Most Serious Jedi]

This is one of the only games I've ever played where when I find a boss too hard with a friend, instead of getting another friend... I just solo it because it makes it WAY easier. Three people on Venom? The floor is actual lava.

[TheDeacon]

"Have we wiped for like 3 hours? Yes..."
We are stuck for probably for 5-6 hours, but my point is this is not a From soft. game with no "pre-baked" difficulty options this game has four options (three at the start) by selecting veteran we were expecting a challenge, but this boss in my opinion is overscaled for Veteran (basically medium difficulty) . If we had the option to change to "Survivor" without re-rolling the world we would but we cant.

[Forblaze]

Originally posted by A Most Serious Jedi:

This is one of the only games I've ever played where when I find a boss too hard with a friend, instead of getting another friend... I just solo it because it makes it WAY easier. Three people on Venom? The floor is actual lava.

Yeah, I agree that solo is easier than coop on pretty much everything. Less damage means that you're going down less, and ressing another player is way harder than healing yourself. Latency also causes players joining to take hits than they may not have taken if everyone was playing solo.

I feel like the healer role doesn't really work on nightmare+. Healing through skills is just too slow and it's easier to just use a relic. The shield is probably the best since it lets you eat a pretty big hit (although i've heard the shield may not be enough on apocalypse), but it really only lasts long enough to help you heal with a relic. The cooldown is also too long to really make much of an impact.

[Jimbi]

Originally posted by Forblaze:

Originally posted by A Most Serious Jedi:

This is one of the only games I've ever played where when I find a boss too hard with a friend, instead of getting another friend... I just solo it because it makes it WAY easier. Three people on Venom? The floor is actual lava.

Yeah, I agree that solo is easier than coop on pretty much everything. Less damage means that you're going down less, and ressing another player is way harder than healing yourself. Latency also causes players joining to take hits than they may not have taken if everyone was playing solo.

I feel like the healer role doesn't really work on nightmare+. Healing through skills is just too slow and it's easier to just use a relic. The shield is probably the best since it lets you eat a pretty big hit (although i've heard the shield may not be enough on apocalypse), but it really only lasts long enough to help you heal with a relic. The cooldown is also too long to really make much of an impact.

tbh healing can be kinda fun in this game and done thru burden of the divine ring that puts all your healing you do to yourself out to your teammates so you don't have to only relay on skills unless needed