Why nerf things?

[Porunaleff]

Why not to buff bad weapons and mechanics instead of nerfing good things?
I'm feeling bad when I'm enhancing mediocre guns and farming irrelevant things for completion, like just wasting my time and resources. It have no purpose, apoc difficulty is stupidly unplayable if you're not playing meta - or you have godlike skill (not me).
Personally I can't enjoy playnig apoc with my engi-medic, armor trait is useless, dr is useless (they even didn't mentioned this "fix"), i have no mobility and everything is one-shotting me.
So instead of removing multiplicative bonus from hunter, why not to make armor/healing/different guns meaning something?

[𝕁𝕒𝕔𝕜𝕝𝕖]

because a lot of people who dont know how it works expects them to buff every gun in the game at once. they'll get around to buffing guns but not instantly, and to think that you deserve to have a particular gun buffed and not nerfed is ridiculous. if you buff everything in the game then what then? the game will lose its difficulty, you need balance therefore nerfs are needed as much as buffs are but its not gonna happen over night.

[Copy & Cat]

If an axe is faster than the knife, has more range than a spear and breaks hard rock better than a hammer, whats the point of all of those?

[Democracy Officer]

Originally posted by Copy & Cat:

If an axe is faster than the knife, has more range than a spear and breaks hard rock better than a hammer, whats the point of all of those?

I don't like the look of the Axe :V

Spears are neat.

[Forblaze]

If you buff all of the player's tools, you have to buff the enemies to compensate. If you buff the enemies, then you're just back at where you started. The idea that a PvE or even an entirely single player game shouldn't attempt to balance things through nerfs is absurd.

[Mr Fantastic]

Originally posted by Forblaze:

If you buff all of the player's tools, you have to buff the enemies to compensate. If you buff the enemies, then you're just back at where you started. The idea that a PvE or even an entirely single player game shouldn't attempt to balance things through nerfs is absurd.

What is absurd is nerf guns people are not even using in the highest difficulty. It's like a giant middle finger to the player base.

[𝕁𝕒𝕔𝕜𝕝𝕖]

Originally posted by Mr Fantastic:

Originally posted by Forblaze:

If you buff all of the player's tools, you have to buff the enemies to compensate. If you buff the enemies, then you're just back at where you started. The idea that a PvE or even an entirely single player game shouldn't attempt to balance things through nerfs is absurd.

What is absurd is nerf guns people are not even using in the highest difficulty. It's like a giant middle finger to the player base.

show the statistics then, are you a dev? do you know all 60k of players and theyre all in your friends list and they all say they dont use it?

[Forblaze]

Originally posted by Mr Fantastic:

What is absurd is nerf guns people are not even using in the highest difficulty. It's like a giant middle finger to the player base.

Things can be problematic at low difficulty levels even if they're not viable in high difficulty levels just by the nature of scaling enemy health.

Complaining about the concept of nerfing is just ridiculous. I'm not saying every nerf is justified, but balancing by buffing everything around it is infinitely more work for zero (relative to nerfing the first thing) gain.

[✰N0ni✰]

Over-performing outliers need to be dialed back in order to maintain some degree of difficulty and balance, if apoc was easy to do would you really feel accomplished completing it?

Buffing guns feeds into the same problem, sure maybe some minuscule tweaks to bring it more in line with the majority of others, but too much and you have the same issue all over again where people flock to what's the most OP at the time.

[Porunaleff]

I understand that I don't hkow much in balancing, but why can't I say? I don't think that nerfing things is so good in balancing field. That's even sound bad. As if you educating your child by crushing their toys. And if you don't want to buff things to let people have their fun with simply not working mechanics - balance difficulties. I don't want to be the hu-gs mass meta player.

[Copy & Cat]

Originally posted by Porunaleff:

I understand that I don't hkow much in balancing, but why can't I say? I don't think that nerfing things is so good in balancing field. That's even sound bad. As if you educating your child by crushing their toys. And if you don't want to buff things to let people have their fun with simply not working mechanics - balance difficulties. I don't want to be the hu-gs mass meta player.

Let's not jump into some conclusion, i want some stuff buffed, i just think that some other stuff was waaaay ahead of the curve to the point putting everything there would be even more troublesome and create more issues than fix them.

[adobo]

Because buffing everything to be braindead 1 click EZ mode is literally the opposite of the goal of making dark souls with guns.

[Ten4]

Originally posted by Midnight Ushiro:

Originally posted by Mr Fantastic:

What is absurd is nerf guns people are not even using in the highest difficulty. It's like a giant middle finger to the player base.

show the statistics then, are you a dev? do you know all 60k of players and theyre all in your friends list and they all say they dont use it?

Why don’t you stop posting and stfu. It’s a PVE game and people can do what they want. I can’t wait for the modders to fix this, and then watch you cry when people spawn into your game with modded stuff.

[Forblaze]

Originally posted by Smithy:

Why don’t you stop posting and stfu. It’s a PVE game and people can do what they want. I can’t wait for the modders to fix this, and then watch you cry when people spawn into your game with modded stuff.

You can do it now. Load up cheat engine and give yourself a +255 gun and one shot everything. Not sure why you think the ability to cheat makes you right.

[Porunaleff]

Thanks for all your replies, I appreciate it.
To specify things, there's no need to buff everything. No need to make every gun like nightfall was. Just make some stuff like, you know, armor, mean something.
And when I'm thinking about it, what need more balancing is the apoc difficulty.
I don't feel any acomplishment beating apoc, i feel pain in my head and my back. That's not difficult, that's unplayable for me, and I'm not afraid to say, for many players.

[Casval Zem Daikun]

Originally posted by Porunaleff:

Thanks for all your replies, I appreciate it.
To specify things, there's no need to buff everything. No need to make every gun like nightfall was. Just make some stuff like, you know, armor, mean something.
And when I'm thinking about it, what need more balancing is the apoc difficulty.
I don't feel any acomplishment beating apoc, i feel pain in my head and my back. That's not difficult, that's unplayable for me, and I'm not afraid to say, for many players.

Then don't play it.