To those upset over the Enigma and Nightfall nerfs

[Seryph]

These 2 weapons were broken at launch. Literally, they were designed in a way to have a Niche, especially the Enigma, which seems to be what people are more upset about so ill focus more on that one.
Enigma's whole design was crowd control, which it absolutely excels at, AND IT SHOULD. Not only that, but the status effect causes stagger every time it triggers.
Now, as a crowd control weapon, its pretty good, and rightfully so, thats what it is intended for. However, when it is singlehandedly the Best-In-Slot weapon for 90% of the game? 100% a nerf is warranted. "But it's a PvE game, whats the point of nerfing it, they are just dumb!" No, they have every right to do whatever they want with the gun and the game as a whole, and you want to know why? Because when they were designing the game, they had a certain vision for the game to look and play.
"If people dont want to be OP, than just dont use the gun, its that simple!!!" No, it really isnt. As someone who had the fortunate luck to find the plasma cutter on my first run without being aware that it's arguably the best Long Gun in the game, i was ecstatic to have it. Great Damage, Good ammo economy, perfect for Boss DPS...... except now i feel like im actively handicapping myself whenever i choose to not use it because i like theme on my character.
Not only that, but a lot of people, myself included, want to enjoy this game with other people, and sometimes our friends arent online so we have to play with randoms. Alright, cool, I'll just go ahead and open my game to public. Oh wonderful!!! Someone joined, i cant wait to enjoy this fight with ano- aaaand they are using the Boss-Obliterator 9000 Build.....

If you are genuinely upset over the fact that 2 BLATANTLY OVERPOWERED weapons were nerfed, one of which is LITERALLY STILL BROKEN BECAUSE IT IGNORES ARMOR, than stop playing the game and dont come back. The community likes to have laughs and say "oh this is op as ♥♥♥♥" and try out those crazy dps builds, but you come in waving around posters saying that the devs are stupid because they nerfed the 2 Best-In-Slot guns, we dont want you here. Go away and play other games, nobody is forcing you to play Remnant 2, and nobody WANTS you to play Remnant 2, because you suck the fun out of it from your screaming and crying because you cant be the player with the highest damage numbers in every situation.

[Casval Zem Daikun]

引用自 Setorrs The Lollygagger：

Not going to read you wall of text. How about this. Maybe buff the other 90% of the s h i t weapons instead of nerfing enigma and nightfall? But the developers took the easy way out of this.

Normally I'd agree but I'm confident I have more ridges on my ass than you do on your brain.
Enigma is busted from a design standpoint. In the class of short guns, nothing else competes with Enigma when it comes to crowd control. Why? Because it has the unique combination of respectable range and it chains between enemies.

Nebula is a popular choice that I liked using. It doesn't compare to Enigma. It has less range, arguably a better mod, and it doesn't chain. Hellfire has the same problem. All of the auto pistols have a similar problem. I'd argue Cube Gun's mod makes it a competitor but Enigma is just far too good at what it does. It needed to be brought in line.

To be fair, I only use Enigma for certain areas or bosses. Yaesha's overworld with the rolly-♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, Annihilation's orbs, Mother Mind's adds sometimes depending on difficulty.

As far as Nightfall, lol I never liked that gun. ♥♥♥♥ it.

[Handbanana]

引用自 Mr Fantastic：

引用自 Seryph：

These 2 weapons were broken at launch. Literally, they were designed in a way to have a Niche, especially the Enigma, which seems to be what people are more upset about so ill focus more on that one.
Enigma's whole design was crowd control, which it absolutely excels at, AND IT SHOULD. Not only that, but the status effect causes stagger every time it triggers.
Now, as a crowd control weapon, its pretty good, and rightfully so, thats what it is intended for. However, when it is singlehandedly the Best-In-Slot weapon for 90% of the game? 100% a nerf is warranted. "But it's a PvE game, whats the point of nerfing it, they are just dumb!" No, they have every right to do whatever they want with the gun and the game as a whole, and you want to know why? Because when they were designing the game, they had a certain vision for the game to look and play.
"If people dont want to be OP, than just dont use the gun, its that simple!!!" No, it really isnt. As someone who had the fortunate luck to find the plasma cutter on my first run without being aware that it's arguably the best Long Gun in the game, i was ecstatic to have it. Great Damage, Good ammo economy, perfect for Boss DPS...... except now i feel like im actively handicapping myself whenever i choose to not use it because i like theme on my character.
Not only that, but a lot of people, myself included, want to enjoy this game with other people, and sometimes our friends arent online so we have to play with randoms. Alright, cool, I'll just go ahead and open my game to public. Oh wonderful!!! Someone joined, i cant wait to enjoy this fight with ano- aaaand they are using the Boss-Obliterator 9000 Build.....

If you are genuinely upset over the fact that 2 BLATANTLY OVERPOWERED weapons were nerfed, one of which is LITERALLY STILL BROKEN BECAUSE IT IGNORES ARMOR, than stop playing the game and dont come back. The community likes to have laughs and say "oh this is op as ♥♥♥♥" and try out those crazy dps builds, but you come in waving around posters saying that the devs are stupid because they nerfed the 2 Best-In-Slot guns, we dont want you here. Go away and play other games, nobody is forcing you to play Remnant 2, and nobody WANTS you to play Remnant 2, because you suck the fun out of it from your screaming and crying because you cant be the player with the highest damage numbers in every situation.

All wrong.

The solution was to improve other guns so they don't suck, not gimp these ones. It's not rocket science.

No that is not the solution.

So lets use this example. You have 100 pieces of candy in a bowl. For some reason two of those are rainbow colored and favored by everyone and all the other ones are just brown. Do we paint the 98 other pieces rainbow colors or do we just address the two that obviously don't fit in.

Everybody likes the shiny rainbow colored ones better but what they don't know is they are actually poisonous. Should we remove those two or replace the other 98 with the same poisonous pieces ?

[Johnnie Walker]

pve id rather they buff the others, dont do a d4

[Kashra Fall]

So just for fun, I just went and tested a +10 merciless vs a +1 nightfall.

Mod activation on merciless is anywhere from 1-2.5k
Damage from the shots over a 15 second period (Censer so nightfall is 15 seconds long.)
Was just around 14k damage, no mod usage. With mod, it would of been around 19k, not too bad, right?

With a +1 nightfall and one mod usage, I did 9.4k and can immediately cast the mod again to keep the damage up, so even with the nerf, it is still a powerful contender even unleveled and underequipped, I am build for status damage afterall.

[Seryph]

引用自 Johnnie Walker：

pve id rather they buff the others, dont do a d4

While i understand wanting to buff the other guns, they very clearly had a design decision of how long they wanted fights to last. Nightfall broke that whole mold and urinated on the boss' corpse before it's mod was even finished. Enigma is just straight up broken and not working correctly

[Seryph]

引用自 Kashra Fall：

So just for fun, I just went and tested a +10 merciless vs a +1 nightfall.

Mod activation on merciless is anywhere from 1-2.5k
Damage from the shots over a 15 second period (Censer so nightfall is 15 seconds long.)
Was just around 14k damage, no mod usage. With mod, it would of been around 19k, not too bad, right?

With a +1 nightfall and one mod usage, I did 9.4k and can immediately cast the mod again to keep the damage up, so even with the nerf, it is still a powerful contender even unleveled and underequipped, I am build for status damage afterall.

So in all likelihood its most likely going to get nerfed AGAIN.... oh boy that's going to upset way more people

[Kashra Fall]

引用自 Seryph：

引用自 Kashra Fall：

So just for fun, I just went and tested a +10 merciless vs a +1 nightfall.

Mod activation on merciless is anywhere from 1-2.5k
Damage from the shots over a 15 second period (Censer so nightfall is 15 seconds long.)
Was just around 14k damage, no mod usage. With mod, it would of been around 19k, not too bad, right?

With a +1 nightfall and one mod usage, I did 9.4k and can immediately cast the mod again to keep the damage up, so even with the nerf, it is still a powerful contender even unleveled and underequipped, I am build for status damage afterall.

So in all likelihood its most likely going to get nerfed AGAIN.... oh boy that's going to upset way more people

I don't think so, because the gun at max level would be doing just about the same as merciless at that point, no? Maybe a bit more, but not the 100k it was doing.

[Mephistopheles]

引用自 Setorrs The Lollygagger：

Not going to read you wall of text. How about this. Maybe buff the other 90% of the s h i t weapons instead of nerfing enigma and nightfall? But the developers took the easy way out of this.

Found the crutch user. Git gud noob

[Seryph]

引用自 Kashra Fall：

引用自 Seryph：

So in all likelihood its most likely going to get nerfed AGAIN.... oh boy that's going to upset way more people

I don't think so, because the gun at max level would be doing just about the same as merciless at that point, no? Maybe a bit more, but not the 100k it was doing.

oh i missread, my bad. I forgot you accounted for actual Uptime

[FallenActual]

引用自 Seryph：

These 2 weapons were broken at launch. Literally, they were designed in a way to have a Niche, especially the Enigma, which seems to be what people are more upset about so ill focus more on that one.
Enigma's whole design was crowd control, which it absolutely excels at, AND IT SHOULD. Not only that, but the status effect causes stagger every time it triggers.
Now, as a crowd control weapon, its pretty good, and rightfully so, thats what it is intended for. However, when it is singlehandedly the Best-In-Slot weapon for 90% of the game? 100% a nerf is warranted. "But it's a PvE game, whats the point of nerfing it, they are just dumb!" No, they have every right to do whatever they want with the gun and the game as a whole, and you want to know why? Because when they were designing the game, they had a certain vision for the game to look and play.
"If people dont want to be OP, than just dont use the gun, its that simple!!!" No, it really isnt. As someone who had the fortunate luck to find the plasma cutter on my first run without being aware that it's arguably the best Long Gun in the game, i was ecstatic to have it. Great Damage, Good ammo economy, perfect for Boss DPS...... except now i feel like im actively handicapping myself whenever i choose to not use it because i like theme on my character.
Not only that, but a lot of people, myself included, want to enjoy this game with other people, and sometimes our friends arent online so we have to play with randoms. Alright, cool, I'll just go ahead and open my game to public. Oh wonderful!!! Someone joined, i cant wait to enjoy this fight with ano- aaaand they are using the Boss-Obliterator 9000 Build.....

If you are genuinely upset over the fact that 2 BLATANTLY OVERPOWERED weapons were nerfed, one of which is LITERALLY STILL BROKEN BECAUSE IT IGNORES ARMOR, than stop playing the game and dont come back. The community likes to have laughs and say "oh this is op as ♥♥♥♥" and try out those crazy dps builds, but you come in waving around posters saying that the devs are stupid because they nerfed the 2 Best-In-Slot guns, we dont want you here. Go away and play other games, nobody is forcing you to play Remnant 2, and nobody WANTS you to play Remnant 2, because you suck the fun out of it from your screaming and crying because you cant be the player with the highest damage numbers in every situation.

TLDR: they nerfed the only 2 viable/fun end game weapons into the ground now everythings just meh joyful

[Seryph]

引用自 FallenActual：

引用自 Seryph：

These 2 weapons were broken at launch. Literally, they were designed in a way to have a Niche, especially the Enigma, which seems to be what people are more upset about so ill focus more on that one.
Enigma's whole design was crowd control, which it absolutely excels at, AND IT SHOULD. Not only that, but the status effect causes stagger every time it triggers.
Now, as a crowd control weapon, its pretty good, and rightfully so, thats what it is intended for. However, when it is singlehandedly the Best-In-Slot weapon for 90% of the game? 100% a nerf is warranted. "But it's a PvE game, whats the point of nerfing it, they are just dumb!" No, they have every right to do whatever they want with the gun and the game as a whole, and you want to know why? Because when they were designing the game, they had a certain vision for the game to look and play.
"If people dont want to be OP, than just dont use the gun, its that simple!!!" No, it really isnt. As someone who had the fortunate luck to find the plasma cutter on my first run without being aware that it's arguably the best Long Gun in the game, i was ecstatic to have it. Great Damage, Good ammo economy, perfect for Boss DPS...... except now i feel like im actively handicapping myself whenever i choose to not use it because i like theme on my character.
Not only that, but a lot of people, myself included, want to enjoy this game with other people, and sometimes our friends arent online so we have to play with randoms. Alright, cool, I'll just go ahead and open my game to public. Oh wonderful!!! Someone joined, i cant wait to enjoy this fight with ano- aaaand they are using the Boss-Obliterator 9000 Build.....

If you are genuinely upset over the fact that 2 BLATANTLY OVERPOWERED weapons were nerfed, one of which is LITERALLY STILL BROKEN BECAUSE IT IGNORES ARMOR, than stop playing the game and dont come back. The community likes to have laughs and say "oh this is op as ♥♥♥♥" and try out those crazy dps builds, but you come in waving around posters saying that the devs are stupid because they nerfed the 2 Best-In-Slot guns, we dont want you here. Go away and play other games, nobody is forcing you to play Remnant 2, and nobody WANTS you to play Remnant 2, because you suck the fun out of it from your screaming and crying because you cant be the player with the highest damage numbers in every situation.

TLDR: they nerfed the only 2 viable/fun end game weapons into the ground now everythings just meh joyful

I found the dude that needs constant visual stimulation to hold his attention for more than 2 minutes

[The Ultimate Despair]

引用自 Mephistopheles：

引用自 Setorrs The Lollygagger：

Not going to read you wall of text. How about this. Maybe buff the other 90% of the s h i t weapons instead of nerfing enigma and nightfall? But the developers took the easy way out of this.

Found the crutch user. Git gud noob

This is just toxic and dumb. Let people play whatever they want. Did you pay their game? No? Then STFU.

[Casval Zem Daikun]

引用自 FallenActual：

TLDR: they nerfed the only 2 viable/fun end game weapons into the ground now everythings just meh joyful

Fun fact: There are more than 2 weapons in the game
If your idea of "viable" or "fun" is based on popularity then that says a lot more about you than it ever could about the game or its overall balance.

Back to Fortnite with you.

[Kashra Fall]

引用自 Seryph：

引用自 Kashra Fall：

I don't think so, because the gun at max level would be doing just about the same as merciless at that point, no? Maybe a bit more, but not the 100k it was doing.

oh i missread, my bad. I forgot you accounted for actual Uptime

Yeah, my friend has the actual build for the game, but he is at work right now xD. I am the status effect applier/healer of our little group.

[KingDragoon]

引用自 Seryph：

引用自 Kashra Fall：

So just for fun, I just went and tested a +10 merciless vs a +1 nightfall.

Mod activation on merciless is anywhere from 1-2.5k
Damage from the shots over a 15 second period (Censer so nightfall is 15 seconds long.)
Was just around 14k damage, no mod usage. With mod, it would of been around 19k, not too bad, right?

With a +1 nightfall and one mod usage, I did 9.4k and can immediately cast the mod again to keep the damage up, so even with the nerf, it is still a powerful contender even unleveled and underequipped, I am build for status damage afterall.

So in all likelihood its most likely going to get nerfed AGAIN.... oh boy that's going to upset way more people

Babies do cry when you take away their training wheels xD