[SPOILERS] Is your whole journey pointless?

[Thorveim]

After seeing how the game ends, I have to ask... does ANYTHING you did int he game matters at all? You go search for Clementine, she doesnt need rescuing. You work your ass off unlocking the path to Root Earth, and it was a red herring that accomplished nothing. Even worse thetimeless keeper of the multiverse cant fix anything without resetting the universe, but Clementime that, buy comparison, barely just arrived, can just fix it all?

In all of that, does anything the player ever do have any real impact? feels like you couldnt be here and things would basically play the same anyway. Gotta say for a game that good man the story has been nothing but terrible, and I feel it can be summed up as "running pointless errands that dont even help solve anything while Clementine does everything important. you get to watch".

Anyone else getting the same feeling?

[Xankrieg]

your main character serves the purpose of brute force. Clementine cant really kill anything. you see her struggle in the tutorial and she could only kill a few root near the end before being powerless. so in a way you are needed to collect the segments. without you, no segments, no clementine doing clementine things.

[Kalergi's Top Guy]

Its an empowerment story. And really? Its about family. Cause that's what its all about.

I knew that ESG-approved crap would happen the moment I saw our friend who totally saves us from losing in a cutscene. Then I was going through the Ward and observed a male NPC dudeguy get soft-cucked by the chick he was talking to, cause she kept comparing him to her now dead ex or something. And then that same dude said "WHAT IF ITS ALL A SIMULATION, WHAT IF NONE OF IT IS REAL". The tone of the story and its ending were pointed out by the game itself in its first few minutes.

[Angarvin]

we turned the sky ashen grey and that one kid that throws rocks in the water blamed us for it.

but if for real: we fixed the index which enabled clementine to "fix" everything else.

[Drimon]

Clementine is the OG and was around since Remnant: From the Ashes and is 132 Years old.
Yes she is Strong af.
Her Story was one of the most Important lore wise but she is not a fighter.

We are the Muscle and she is the Brain.
Weaken the Endboss because it comes out that we cant kill it so that Clementine can Reset the World was very important because without our Part she could not do this.

[parent child bowl]

Clementine didn't fix it. She just gave us another chance to fix it. She essentially rerolled the campaign.

[^DreeMax^]

After checking lore aspects of R2, Im seriously shocked how bad it is.
Chronos and R1 brings interesting story about Root invasion and how it affects different Worlds around Universe.

R2 is basically leave me with "It was a doggo dream all this time boys and girls!".

[Valerie]

Like the first game, I figure they'll put out another DLC that continues story/explains. There are 2 blacked out areas on the world selection stone at the bottom.

[Commander Hitman2b]

i think i kind of understand what she did she probably just took the world that were known to be infected and kind of stuck them inside the crystal with us atleast that what i believe

[Commander Hitman2b]

Originally posted by Drimon:

Clementine is the OG and was around since Remnant: From the Ashes and is 132 Years old.
Yes she is Strong af.
Her Story was one of the most Important lore wise but she is not a fighter.

We are the Muscle and she is the Brain.
Weaken the Endboss because it comes out that we cant kill it so that Clementine can Reset the World was very important because without our Part she could not do this.

she not stronger then me the BOY the CHAD The Hunter

[Kappa]

I can say that I expected it since the beginning.
Not the outcome, but rather facing an impossible challenge in what's a fight against the inevitable.

The "hero" ( our character ) was meant to have hope until the very end, before realizing everything they did was pointless.

ps: also, we need room for remnant 3, 4, 5, 6, etc... so I don't really care about the plot, as long as the root continues to bring more remnant games :d

[Ace]

Originally posted by Thorveim:

After seeing how the game ends, I have to ask... does ANYTHING you did int he game matters at all? You go search for Clementine, she doesnt need rescuing. You work your ass off unlocking the path to Root Earth, and it was a red herring that accomplished nothing. Even worse thetimeless keeper of the multiverse cant fix anything without resetting the universe, but Clementime that, buy comparison, barely just arrived, can just fix it all?

In all of that, does anything the player ever do have any real impact? feels like you couldnt be here and things would basically play the same anyway. Gotta say for a game that good man the story has been nothing but terrible, and I feel it can be summed up as "running pointless errands that dont even help solve anything while Clementine does everything important. you get to watch".

Anyone else getting the same feeling?

Hardly. The ending essentially shows the worlds being set in their "Correct" order.

Also, Clementine is hardly "new" to this world or her powers. She's from Remnant 1 after all, but you have to remember that time in the Labyrinth is not like our time, nor is it like our space. The time we spend going through those other worlds could be amounted to weeks. While to her, it could be seconds, or months.

Her "human element" of heroism, unshackled by the same restraints as the keeper is what causes the shift. Clementine is literally being fueled BY the keeper, and the keeper, in turn, is being swayed by Clementine to be more human. She learned magic back in Rem1 and

They're both effectively keepers now, by the end, but clementine takes it a step farther in setting the worlds back to the way they SHOULD be, not just how they were, which is what the keeper sees as the only option given his "I cannot deviate from programming" ways.

It's not "Just a dream". It's that the worlds are being broken down into the data that was used to create them, and then rebuilt in a new, better image. The act of us "waking up" in the post-credit sequence isn't "It's just a dream"

You literally got unmade, stored within the Index, and then spat back out. That's you gasping back to life.

[Thorveim]

Originally posted by Drimon:

Clementine is the OG and was around since Remnant: From the Ashes and is 132 Years old.
Yes she is Strong af.
Her Story was one of the most Important lore wise but she is not a fighter.

We are the Muscle and she is the Brain.
Weaken the Endboss because it comes out that we cant kill it so that Clementine can Reset the World was very important because without our Part she could not do this.

thats how I would have taken it.. except it seems your muscle wasnt even needed. Going to root earth achieved no purpose whatsoever and whatever clementine did there is no indication that it needed to be done on Root Earth in front of Annihilation at all or even needed the Index you allowed to make (she does use it, but considering she did something the keeper for SOME REASON didnt even consider, it may not have been needed). (didnt play the first game so i dont know what role Clementine had in it, I just know she indeed was in the previous game)

Originally posted by I_Was_Born_In_The_USA:

Its an empowerment story. And really? Its about family. Cause that's what its all about.

I knew that ESG-approved crap would happen the moment I saw our friend who totally saves us from losing in a cutscene. [...]

Yeah the ESG is strong with this one... good thing basically the entire cast, minus Clementine gets discarded into town vendors once past the intro because I frankly either dont care about the human NPCs outright find them cringey (special mention to Cass and half her dialogue being her reminding you that you owe her for offscreen deeds) save Mudtooth because the "crazy old man with a million stories" is entertaining. Thank god the non-human NPCs you meet in the different worlds tend to be more interesting.

I fail to see the family thing though, considering Ford and Clementine are the only 2 characters that are family at all and well Ford is still out there, doing whatever, and nobody cares to even try and find out what.

[Sigs]

You get to the final battle on the assumed chance you can accomplish something. It doesn't work for unexplained plot reasons.

Clementine ass-pulls the credits.

Clementine could have done (so far as we know) whatever she did with or without the fragments-- all they did was allow you the chance to punch it in the face. Whatever she did was a new thing she just magically decided she could do at the last second, and it undermines the entire mcguffin hunt.

Yeah, our part in the story is absolutely pointless.

[Ace]

Originally posted by Sigs:

You get to the final battle on the assumed chance you can accomplish something. It doesn't work for unexplained plot reasons.

Clementine ass-pulls the credits.

Clementine could have done (so far as we know) whatever she did with or without the fragments-- all they did was allow you the chance to punch it in the face. Whatever she did was a new thing she just magically decided she could do at the last second, and it undermines the entire mcguffin hunt.

Yeah, our part in the story is absolutely pointless.

I mean there's literally no way she could have done what she did without the index. She literally uses it as the catalyst to contain the universe that she unmakes so it's hard to believe she could have done it without it. Besides, it's implied she sacrificed herself in the process.

Granted, it's not the best of endings, but it makes sense that someone who spent hundreds of years learning how to manage powers we can't even pull off, then spent an untold amount of time becoming a keeper while we were out doing the dirty work, would end up delivering the final blow.

I mean sure, I can understand those annoyed that gearbox pulled another "Ahahaha, your character is just the meatslab and the cutscenes happen to you, not with you!" but for what it is, it at least makes SENSE.

[Thorveim]

Originally posted by Kappa:

I can say that I expected it since the beginning.
Not the outcome, but rather facing an impossible challenge in what's a fight against the inevitable.

The "hero" ( our character ) was meant to have hope until the very end, before realizing everything they did was pointless.

ps: also, we need room for remnant 3, 4, 5, 6, etc... so I don't really care about the plot, as long as the root continues to bring more remnant games :d

Thing is, it feels like Clementine basically just deleted the Root from existance, seeing you do see an uninfected Yaesha. Whatever comes chronogically next, I dont think the Root will be part of it unless "oh god it came back". That and just undoing the universe to restart it was the keeper's idea, so its not what clementine did.