Handler Class Grievances

[Essence of Soy]

Hey, loving the game so far, but right now I'm playing the Handler, and thought I would see if people are having similar issues.

The dog is melee only, yet it seems like half of the enemies I've seen so far have been ranged, especially bosses. Unable to attack anything at ranged, so instead it just stands on-top of you. (Which can be annoying, since for some reason we can't walk through our own companion pet, it blocks movement and makes dodging some boss mechanics annoying.)

Seems to me too, that the dog should attempt to dodge abilities, when fighting bosses especially, it will just stand there and not move from mechanics and die. This wouldn't be so bad on it's own, but pairing that with the issue I've been getting lately with actually being able to press E on things to rez/interact with them, it's pretty annoying.

I dunno if the team has addressed any of these issues, but I'm not really finding a reason to stay with Handler, other than the bonus of having a doggo. Might have to switch classes because this is getting irritating, feels too clunky, with few upsides. Also the dog revive using a dragon heart? C'mon, it's already a 2 minute cooldown and it only brings you up to 50% HP.

[Digan]

Yeah i feel like the ideas are cool and all, the execution however is not the best ;/

I started with this class myself, love it but those glaring issues are making me think about swapping it, Summoner has good options going for itself, once u get handler to 10 and unlock its Perk, its almost pointless having it :( and id love to just run Handler + Summons cuz well bulwark and so on :O

Dog was doing great early on, i seen him dodge quite alot and deals nice dmg BUT recently i noticed he stops dodging as much :/ i dunno what thats about.

I do feel like Handler needs some tweaks, in comparison to other classes he does seem to lack after playing abit ;/

[SunfireKnight86]

Yeah. No class is perfect otherwise why would anyone play anything else. That's clearly by design.

[bladeddragonknight]

I find it hilarious that someone is complaining about HANDLER of all things...you know...the BEST archetype in the game...while the CHALLENGER is crying in a corner.

OP's name checks out.

[TSims]

I think the dog should either be more tanky or revive quicker. Should have ability to buf or debuf and needs better ai I quickly switched from handler secondary to anything else

[Darkrayne]

I regularly swap Archetypes and gear depending on the zone or boss. Sticking with one build all the time and never switching is kind of gimping yourself. If you choose traits that are useful for every Archetype then you're able to do it more freely.

[Cruddy]

You think that's bad, imagine if you yourself is a melee focused build, my friend is and his class is invalidated is several areas of the game, mostly N'Erud, even some bosses make him ineffective and he has to change his rings and stuff around.

The Handler is great in co-op, saves us frequently from would be wipes and can be dispatched to revive others in a pinch.

Originally posted by TSims:

I think the dog should either be more tanky or revive quicker. Should have ability to buf or debuf and needs better ai I quickly switched from handler secondary to anything else

The dog revives quicker the more you level no? The dog certainly revives far faster than a non-handler player does.

[Essence of Soy]

People in here pretending as if I said handler is the worst class, mainly pointing out some ♥♥♥♥ that I think are issues. Forgot to mention the ABSOLUTELY ABHORRENT pathing as well.

[Essence of Soy]

Originally posted by bladeddragonknight:

I find it hilarious that someone is complaining about HANDLER of all things...you know...the BEST archetype in the game...while the CHALLENGER is crying in a corner.

OP's name checks out.

Cope and seethe, people have different perspectives and reads on balance.

[Essence of Soy]

Originally posted by Cruddy horse:

You think that's bad, imagine if you yourself is a melee focused build, my friend is and his class is invalidated is several areas of the game, mostly N'Erud, even some bosses make him ineffective and he has to change his rings and stuff around.

The Handler is great in co-op, saves us frequently from would be wipes and can be dispatched to revive others in a pinch.

Originally posted by TSims:

I think the dog should either be more tanky or revive quicker. Should have ability to buf or debuf and needs better ai I quickly switched from handler secondary to anything else

The dog revives quicker the more you level no? The dog certainly revives far faster than a non-handler player does.

Melee focused builds seems like something only a sadist would do in this game ngl.

[Essence of Soy]

Originally posted by Cruddy horse:

You think that's bad, imagine if you yourself is a melee focused build, my friend is and his class is invalidated is several areas of the game, mostly N'Erud, even some bosses make him ineffective and he has to change his rings and stuff around.

The Handler is great in co-op, saves us frequently from would be wipes and can be dispatched to revive others in a pinch.

Originally posted by TSims:

I think the dog should either be more tanky or revive quicker. Should have ability to buf or debuf and needs better ai I quickly switched from handler secondary to anything else

The dog revives quicker the more you level no? The dog certainly revives far faster than a non-handler player does.

Yeah you get faster revive built into the class, some passive perk. Revive speed increased by 30%, dog and handler take 50% less damage when reviving.

[bladeddragonknight]

Originally posted by Essence of Soy:

Originally posted by bladeddragonknight:

I find it hilarious that someone is complaining about HANDLER of all things...you know...the BEST archetype in the game...while the CHALLENGER is crying in a corner.

OP's name checks out.

Cope and seethe, people have different perspectives and reads on balance.

I'm sorry but it is pretty obvious to most people that from a factual point of view and not a feelings sort of view that handler is the best archetype in the game and it isn't even close.

Now if you had said challenger I'd have been here to lend you a shoulder to cry on, lol.

[Tahu!]

What level are you talking about that you find the Handler archetype to be not-great? Even though the dog can't hit every boss, they still provide you with really strong passive perks (move speed, stamina use reduction, a free self-revive as its primary perk) and the Handler skills are incredibly strong if generic (damage reduction, regen heal + movespeed buff, flat 20% damage buff). At a high enough level, using your relic also just heals the dog and gives them so much damage resistance that it's almost irrelevant how much damage bosses do, playing on the second difficulty.

Is this something like a late post game drop off, or playing on nightmare or something?

[Essence of Soy]

Originally posted by Tahu!:

What level are you talking about that you find the Handler archetype to be not-great? Even though the dog can't hit every boss, they still provide you with really strong passive perks (move speed, stamina use reduction, a free self-revive as its primary perk) and the Handler skills are incredibly strong if generic (damage reduction, regen heal + movespeed buff, flat 20% damage buff). At a high enough level, using your relic also just heals the dog and gives them so much damage resistance that it's almost irrelevant how much damage bosses do, playing on the second difficulty.

Is this something like a late post game drop off, or playing on nightmare or something?

I feel like an overwhelming majority of the bosses my dog has been completely useless other than providing passive buffs, in which case I feel like any other archetype would be better except for melee exclusive ones. Faelin, N'Erud, (Can hit arms at least.. Dies to every suck in unless I tell it to move away which isn't worth the effort IMO.) Labyrinth Boss, Fae Imposter, many other flying bosses and minibosses I can't think of, just feels wack.

I suppose the passives are strong, but are they any stronger than other Archetypes on their own? Wouldn't think so, other than the free rez.

Originally posted by bladeddragonknight:

Originally posted by Essence of Soy:

Cope and seethe, people have different perspectives and reads on balance.

I'm sorry but it is pretty obvious to most people that from a factual point of view and not a feelings sort of view that handler is the best archetype in the game and it isn't even close.

Now if you had said challenger I'd have been here to lend you a shoulder to cry on, lol.

Factual, like randomly insulting a person based on their steam username lmfao. Ironic considering your name is insanely generic, like an XBOX generated name. Not even saying I'm having issues, I'm killing most bosses without struggle, more so airing grievances since this Archetype feels insanely clunky. Try it out and be irritated by the dogsh*t dog companion. Lackluster.

[bladeddragonknight]

Originally posted by Essence of Soy:

more so airing grievances since this Archetype feels insanely clunky. Try it out and be irritated by the dogsh*t dog companion. Lackluster.

This has nothing to do with the handler or any other archetype but more to do with something wonky in the programming of the game itself.

For instance try a rolling melee attack in Remnant 1 and then try one in Remnant 2. You have to either press mouse 1 two times or wait until the roll is almost finished.

Many inputs just don't go through properly. That is not an archetype issue that is an input lag issue which is more than likely some wonky code.

I have played handler it isn't any worse in that regard than others. Input lag is the problem.

[Lastverse]

Doggo bite, Doggo tank, Doggo heal, Doggo buff, Doggo endure Witchfire and doesn't leave cos being shot in his back. C'mon he is the best as he is, except if i could have cat instead.