Yeah, I give up, Sha'Hala is the worst boss in gaming history

[Zyrconia]

I had an insanely wrong rant on how bad the boss design is in another thread, but Sha'Hala takes the cake.

I'm playing on Veteran, but regardless, I have never encountered a worst boss in all gaming.

This boss is literally death by a thousand cuts, where each cut is an unavoidably feeling off-screen laser. Never-mind the on screen lasers, when like 6 hands all try to hit you at once with purple lasers and will oneshot you.

Has nobody tested these fights on veteran? The previous two bosses were bad too.

Remnant 1 is one of my favorite games ever, but it had it's problems. But not like this, with one flying offscreen hitting boss after another.

Sorry Gunfire, you've made a great formula with great movement, loot and game/gunplay, but your first game had bosses with way too many ads and now you compensated with bosses with still many adds, but this time constant offscreen attacks and mechanics that are not very good.

You have no talent at boss design.

Now to decide: reroll or give up and play Remnant 1...

PS: why is both skill use and aim down sight so unresponsive after dodge roll. Fix it! That need a few frames shaved of the timing!

[smoke63b]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Flip_Light:

Oprindeligt skrevet af smoke63b:

I have a 6800xt and it runs fine.

Nah the game def has tech issues especially in MP, but it's not as bad as people make it out to be.

Nah? Yes. My game runs fine. I think I average about 70 or 80 fps maxed settings. I play coop with 2 other people. One of them is using a 970 and it runs fine as well.

The only 'frame' issues we've had are the universal ones that had to do with weird stuff like picking up scrap in coop causes a frame hitch.

[smoke63b]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Naxord:

So I think your framework is that all bosses are about skill/learning when to dodge rather than adjusting your build to the situation.

With Sha'hala Spectral mode, the way I succeed on nightmare is by using a paladin build (High DR, lots of self-healing). Dodging those lightning bolt zig zag beams is nearly impossible so I just gigaheal through those phases.

Some bosses you have to learn the pattern (like Nightweaver) other bosses there is just some unavoidable damage you gotta heal through (Sha'hala)

This game is really good for encouraging a variety of builds. Also there is an item to fight an alternate version of Sha'hala who is much easier. Even so playing with friends or randoms will make every fight way easier in the game.

Your method is fine but I don't agree about the lightning pattern. I finished this on apocalypse and the lightning zigzags are the easiest part of the fight. You literally just take a tiny step every time and they never hit you.

[Cyphronite]

None of the bosses are designed that well so far but this one is just pure hatred. I rolled a veteran campaign since I like a fair amount of challenge but this imbalanced BS just sucks.

You basically have to dodge, run and avoid for 95% of the fight while there are attack drones, homing drones, high damages thick laser beams, high damage zick zack lightning and black holes. It’s such a bad and annoying design that makes me want to delete this game. But I loved Remnant 1, so I’ll torture myself a bit more or reroll the campaign on freaking easy.

One of the worst bosses in gaming history.

[smoke63b]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Cyphronite:

None of the bosses are designed that well so far but this one is just pure hatred. I rolled a veteran campaign since I like a fair amount of challenge but this imbalanced BS just sucks.

You basically have to dodge, run and avoid for 95% of the fight while there are attack drones, homing drones, high damages thick laser beams, high damage zick zack lightning and black holes. It’s such a bad and annoying design that makes me want to delete this game. But I loved Remnant 1, so I’ll torture myself a bit more or reroll the campaign on freaking easy.

One of the worst bosses in gaming history.

What constitutes bad design. Give me the bullet points related to how 'none of the bosses are designed that well.'

I see people say things like this all the time and they are neither developers nor have they ever designed one cohesive thing ever for a video game that's distributed to the public at large, with massive success I might add in the case of R2.

[Kaitto]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Cyphronite:

None of the bosses are designed that well so far but this one is just pure hatred. I rolled a veteran campaign since I like a fair amount of challenge but this imbalanced BS just sucks.

You basically have to dodge, run and avoid for 95% of the fight while there are attack drones, homing drones, high damages thick laser beams, high damage zick zack lightning and black holes. It’s such a bad and annoying design that makes me want to delete this game. But I loved Remnant 1, so I’ll torture myself a bit more or reroll the campaign on freaking easy.

One of the worst bosses in gaming history.

So.. basically, skill issue? What else did you want? The boss to just look at you while you shoot it?

[D. Flame]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Kaitto:

What else did you want? The boss to just look at you while you shoot it?

Most people just want a well-designed boss fight.

[Kaitto]

Oprindeligt skrevet af D. Flame:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Kaitto:

What else did you want? The boss to just look at you while you shoot it?

Most people just want a well-designed boss fight.

You can complain all you want about the first game having artificial difficulty bosses thanks to the endless minion spawns but this game I haven't found any boss that really comes across as obnoxious, though that one Slime in the sewers came close to it, mostly because it breaks summons/dogs.

[Alvendo]

How bad u are that crying a river in Veteran about bosses KEKW

[D. Flame]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Kaitto:

Oprindeligt skrevet af D. Flame:

Most people just want a well-designed boss fight.

You can complain all you want about the first game having artificial difficulty bosses thanks to the endless minion spawns but this game I haven't found any boss that really comes across as obnoxious, though that one Slime in the sewers came close to it, mostly because it breaks summons/dogs.

I mean there is a reason you only see people commonly complain about a handful of bosses. This one and the final boss.

Other than that, people were complaining about Night-whateve's unfair grab attack. The hit box on that got patched. They were also complaining about a certain boss's root attack one shotting you regardless of build, and it got patched too because it was mistakenly ignoring armor.

So hm... its almost like people are fine with difficulty, just not cheap, poorly-designed BS.

Oprindeligt skrevet af Alvendo:

How bad u are that crying a river in Veteran about bosses KEKW

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[Lowbei]

the boss is well designed. ive beat it on apocalypse.

the truth here is that its easier to blame “something else” for mistakes, rather than themselves. this is really common in all games nowadays.

[Kaitto]

Oprindeligt skrevet af D. Flame:

I mean there is a reason you only see people commonly complain about a handful of bosses. This one and the final boss.

I've beat both Sha'Hala versions without much problems solo on Veteran and I thought while the Spectral version was a bit overwhelming it really wasn't that bad. It helps using Engineer for such fights too.

[D. Flame]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Lowbei:

the boss is well designed. ive beat it on apocalypse.

"I beat it" =/= Well-designed

I will repeat this as many times as you need me to.

[Imperium]

Oprindeligt skrevet af Zyrconia:

I had an insanely wrong rant on how bad the boss design is in another thread, but Sha'Hala takes the cake.

I'm playing on Veteran, but regardless, I have never encountered a worst boss in all gaming.

This boss is literally death by a thousand cuts, where each cut is an unavoidably feeling off-screen laser. Never-mind the on screen lasers, when like 6 hands all try to hit you at once with purple lasers and will oneshot you.

Has nobody tested these fights on veteran? The previous two bosses were bad too.

Remnant 1 is one of my favorite games ever, but it had it's problems. But not like this, with one flying offscreen hitting boss after another.

Sorry Gunfire, you've made a great formula with great movement, loot and game/gunplay, but your first game had bosses with way too many ads and now you compensated with bosses with still many adds, but this time constant offscreen attacks and mechanics that are not very good.

You have no talent at boss design.

Now to decide: reroll or give up and play Remnant 1...

PS: why is both skill use and aim down sight so unresponsive after dodge roll. Fix it! That need a few frames shaved of the timing!

I beat everything solo on nightmare, But my first playthrough I was getting wrecked on everything, heck must have taken me like 30+ tries on final boss on survivor, now I laugh at it. I am not super good or anything but I can show you few tricks and placements for these bosses. Feel free to add me to friends if you want a bit of help. The game is complicated, and it does require certain amount of gear synergies to get through higher difficulties.

[Lowbei]

Oprindeligt skrevet af D. Flame:

Oprindeligt skrevet af Lowbei:

the boss is well designed. ive beat it on apocalypse.

"I beat it" =/= Well-designed

I will repeat this as many times as you need me to.

again, the boss is well designed, and if people can beat it on apocalypse, then its attacks are well telegraphed.

i have noticed a pattern on these forums, where people who struggle claim that stuff is broken, and those who dont struggle say that its good.

seems fine to most of us. check out a video on youtube for some tips bro.

[SephVII]

Sha'Hala HEY Sha'Hala ♫