Destiny fragment grind

[Stradivare]

Love this game, but damn the end game is an insane grind with those destiny fragments.

A run can give you a maximum of 7 destiny fragments IF you complete it, which as you increase destiny lvl past 6+ is not always easy.

And the destiny fragment dashboard require more than 750+ fragments to complete it.

With a run lasting aroud 50 min in average, that's 800+ hours required to complete it.

I mean, this can only be a flaws by the dev, even if we could multiply their gains with the difficulty multiplier (which you can't I don't even know why), it would still take an insane amount of run to even updagre half of it.

Is their any plan to correct this ?

[Kookyo]

It's more like a personnal achievement, you DON'T need to be fully upgraded. The game is rather manageable with only the healing boosts upgrade

[ZexxCrine]

why would there be? its a rougelike. you beat the game at destiny 6 and no one is forcing you to do more. hades has a similar system in the pact of punishment and last I looked into it not a single person on the planet has managed to complete a highest heat run. 63 was the highest I heard about and it was a big deal when it happened. play the game as much as you are willing to and get as many fragments as you are willing to and make your runs modularly difficult to your preference. nothing needs to be corrected. the absolute highest level to 100% the game is destiny 15

[Stradivare]

Originally posted by ZexxCrine:

why would there be? its a rougelike. you beat the game at destiny 6 and no one is forcing you to do more. hades has a similar system in the pact of punishment and last I looked into it not a single person on the planet has managed to complete a highest heat run. 63 was the highest I heard about and it was a big deal when it happened. play the game as much as you are willing to and get as many fragments as you are willing to and make your runs modularly difficult to your preference. nothing needs to be corrected. the absolute highest level to 100% the game is destiny 15

Nothing is forcing me to go beyond destiny 6+, but it took me less than 11h to do so. Destiny fragment and difficulty multiplier are both part of the endgame, I kinda expected to at least upgrade it a more than 1/10th of it.

Looking at Hades, I didn't need to have 100% of the meta progression upgrade to go beyond very high lvl of heat.

but Here, going for a multiplier x4 or more is much more difficult, and I feel like the meta progress tree that is destiny fragments is undervalued and underused due to the grind it require.
Which is a shame since it looks interesting to use

[Stradivare]

Originally posted by 76561198309940343:

It's more like a personnal achievement, you DON'T need to be fully upgraded. The game is rather manageable with only the healing boosts upgrade:kiranThumbUp:

I agree that's it's not necessary to have it fully upgraded, that's why you have 4 presets to make your own build, but a full run only unlock 1% of the tree.

As it is today, I really don't see lot of players doing 40+ full run to unlock only 1/3 of the tree, meanings that weaker upgrade will never be bought by anyone.

[ZexxCrine]

Originally posted by Stradivare:

Originally posted by ZexxCrine:

why would there be? its a rougelike. you beat the game at destiny 6 and no one is forcing you to do more. hades has a similar system in the pact of punishment and last I looked into it not a single person on the planet has managed to complete a highest heat run. 63 was the highest I heard about and it was a big deal when it happened. play the game as much as you are willing to and get as many fragments as you are willing to and make your runs modularly difficult to your preference. nothing needs to be corrected. the absolute highest level to 100% the game is destiny 15

Nothing is forcing me to go beyond destiny 6+, but it took me less than 11h to do so. Destiny fragment and difficulty multiplier are both part of the endgame, I kinda expected to at least upgrade it a more than 1/10th of it.

Looking at Hades, I didn't need to have 100% of the meta progression upgrade to go beyond very high lvl of heat.

but Here, going for a multiplier x4 or more is much more difficult, and I feel like the meta progress tree that is destiny fragments is undervalued and underused due to the grind it require.
Which is a shame since it looks interesting to use

I dont understand the issue you are trying to argue for. does it just bug you to see a progression system that doesn't require you to complete it or what? most of the upgrades are extremely minor anyway with only a select couple extremely impactful ones. idk that very many of those upgrades would suddenly make the game way easier or something

[ZexxCrine]

Originally posted by Stradivare:

Originally posted by 76561198309940343:

It's more like a personnal achievement, you DON'T need to be fully upgraded. The game is rather manageable with only the healing boosts upgrade:kiranThumbUp:

I agree that's it's not necessary to have it fully upgraded, that's why you have 4 presets to make your own build, but a full run only unlock 1% of the tree.

As it is today, I really don't see lot of players doing 40+ full run to unlock only 1/3 of the tree, meanings that weaker upgrade will never be bought by anyone.

I don't see many people doing 40+ runs of any rougelike game. your talking about a small subset of people who will play the game for 200+ hours not the majority of the playerbase and most people who would do that don't really need an incentive to keep playing it other than the game itself.

[Big Mistake]

I'm seeing that you got to D6 in 11 hours, but are upset that the endgame then represents a much more substantial amount of gameplay for you? This is confusing to me. If you want a game you can chew through and be done with, you got it, d6 was easy for you. If you want a game you can spend a lot of time chewing on in terms of the endgame grind, you also have that. Do you want Astral Ascent to have an endgame that takes 15 hours to clear and still represents the absolutely ridiculous power gain contained within the destiny fragment tree?

The rate at which you earn fragments feels reasonable for the amount of power they represent. If you earned them at an incredible rate there'd be no meaningful decision making in where you put them and there'd be much less satisfaction in reaching a pricy and powerful upgrade like 2 echoes. From my perspective, D56 as well as the ability to fill out the entire fragment tree without a cap is a nod to those hardcore 200+ hour players you mention, they have a continuous grind but engaging with that grind isn't remotely necessary.

The achievement which requires having all powers of the void catalyst active at once should probably be removed though. Someone who just wants 100% steam achievements probably shouldn't have to go quite that far.

[ZexxCrine]

Originally posted by Rando:

I'm seeing that you got to D6 in 11 hours, but are

The achievement which requires having all powers of the void catalyst active at once should probably be removed though. Someone who just wants 100% steam achievements probably shouldn't have to go quite that far.

assuming it means all powers active as 1 level in each I just started destiny level 9 and have been winning mostly so I have a bunch of shards still available and im only 20 shards away. thats 3 more runs from now. if so that is hardly as much of a time sink as it sounds

[Big Mistake]

Originally posted by ZexxCrine:

Originally posted by Rando:

I'm seeing that you got to D6 in 11 hours, but are

The achievement which requires having all powers of the void catalyst active at once should probably be removed though. Someone who just wants 100% steam achievements probably shouldn't have to go quite that far.

assuming it means all powers active as 1 level in each I just started destiny level 9 and have been winning mostly so I have a bunch of shards still available and im only 20 shards away. thats 3 more runs from now. if so that is hardly as much of a time sink as it sounds

Yeah that would make a lot more sense, on first reading I thought it meant full completion as opposed to just one of each

[ZexxCrine]

Originally posted by Rando:

Originally posted by ZexxCrine:

assuming it means all powers active as 1 level in each I just started destiny level 9 and have been winning mostly so I have a bunch of shards still available and im only 20 shards away. thats 3 more runs from now. if so that is hardly as much of a time sink as it sounds

Yeah that would make a lot more sense, on first reading I thought it meant full completion as opposed to just one of each

took break from the game, but now I can confirm it only requires you to have a single point invested in every skill

[Managedant]

The telescope has a 24 hour timer with largely nominal or niche bonuses attached to it. I assume you are genuinely expected to play this for nearly a thousand hours.