Ada

[Postman Pat]

How do you play Ada?

This champ seems insanely underwhelming. I've never lost to it and while I've won with it, it was never because of anything Ada did in particular.

[Koto!]

Consider normal rules that there are about 80 rounds before the final fight, and considering that one battle will most likely use up 6 points, so you will have 70 points in total(the first 10 don't count because of the mechanics). Not including enemy engaging you, you technically will only have her for like 11 battles (assuming you spend every last point fighting), probably less because her upgrades cost 4 points each.

Assuming that half of these battles are ones that doesn't actually have her in the battle, she's only useful in like 6 battles per match for mediocre dmg and effect.

I don't find her investment worth the payoff when you have other champs that deals dmg in the thousands and can do so many more things with their points. All with zero setup. So yeah, she's not that good.

if you want to play Ada you need to consider the following below.

-Cheap Engagement to make the best use of Ada's Skill.
-Draws or a way to get ada's skill into your hand(and keep it there), else she's literally useless.
-Items or meta to force as many fights as posible(Dragon, Collussus etc etc)
-To boost Ada's Dmg so that her 1 turn of helping actually makes a difference in the fights that you are participating.
-To ensure that at lategame that she scales as well as other Bot or else she's just a liability for the final fight.

Don't get me wrong, there are ways to make her work, but you have other more easier to use heroes that are more effective.

[Postman Pat]

Originally posted by Giorno's Piano:

Originally posted by Postman Pat:

I didn't actually know side choice affected your jg pathing at all. My jgler always seems to go 'left to right' regardless of whether I'm blue or red team - but maybe I don't pay enough attention to the jungle pathing on the first 10 rounds.

From what I just noticed from my last 2 match, when I was blue side, my jgler came btm and their jgler pathed top. Vice versa for when im on red side, my jgler pathed top side and their jgler was at btm.

I literally never notice the side changes - my screen always has me on bot regardless of what 'side' I'm on. Is this a setting I failed to toggle??

Originally posted by Koto!:

Consider normal rules that there are about 80 rounds before the final fight, and considering that one battle will most likely use up 6 points, so you will have 70 points in total(the first 10 don't count because of the mechanics). Not including enemy engaging you, you technically will only have her for like 11 battles (assuming you spend every last point fighting), probably less because her upgrades cost 4 points each.

Assuming that half of these battles are ones that doesn't actually have her in the battle, she's only useful in like 6 battles per match for mediocre dmg and effect.

I don't find her investment worth the payoff when you have other champs that deals dmg in the thousands and can do so many more things with their points. All with zero setup. So yeah, she's not that good.

if you want to play Ada you need to consider the following below.

-Cheap Engagement to make the best use of Ada's Skill.
-Draws or a way to get ada's skill into your hand(and keep it there), else she's literally useless.
-Items or meta to force as many fights as posible(Dragon, Collussus etc etc)
-To boost Ada's Dmg so that her 1 turn of helping actually makes a difference in the fights that you are participating.
-To ensure that at lategame that she scales as well as other Bot or else she's just a liability for the final fight.

Don't get me wrong, there are ways to make her work, but you have other more easier to use heroes that are more effective.

This is absolutely how I feel about her. The games don't go long enough to ever get to the point where you get 3 plays of her cards - and even if you did, she's gonna be outscaled by virtually every other pick. I have made some pretty decent ganks with her in a couple games since but it's not exactly what I'd call great. I think they need to make it so that once you play her equipment card, her attacks are permanently modified to always utilize equipment. She doesn't scale otherwise and she's objectively worse at 5v5 fights than probably every other option. That might need some toning down, but early game and mid game are so short that any benefit from her "one shot" is almost never going to matter.

[Deworx]

Originally posted by Postman Pat:

This is absolutely how I feel about her. The games don't go long enough to ever get to the point where you get 3 plays of her cards - and even if you did, she's gonna be outscaled by virtually every other pick. I have made some pretty decent ganks with her in a couple games since but it's not exactly what I'd call great. I think they need to make it so that once you play her equipment card, her attacks are permanently modified to always utilize equipment. She doesn't scale otherwise and she's objectively worse at 5v5 fights than probably every other option. That might need some toning down, but early game and mid game are so short that any benefit from her "one shot" is almost never going to matter.

I partly agree, that stun on every attack (she targets 3 with enough hero mastery) would be broken, so that one should only affect every enemy hero once (still feels crazy, if paired with tiger boy). Another way would be (once enough hero mastery) - the effect you activate first will always stay active, not just first attack.

[Koto!]

Originally posted by Postman Pat:

Originally posted by Giorno's Piano:

From what I just noticed from my last 2 match, when I was blue side, my jgler came btm and their jgler pathed top. Vice versa for when im on red side, my jgler pathed top side and their jgler was at btm.

I literally never notice the side changes - my screen always has me on bot regardless of what 'side' I'm on. Is this a setting I failed to toggle??

Originally posted by Koto!:

Consider normal rules that there are about 80 rounds before the final fight, and considering that one battle will most likely use up 6 points, so you will have 70 points in total(the first 10 don't count because of the mechanics). Not including enemy engaging you, you technically will only have her for like 11 battles (assuming you spend every last point fighting), probably less because her upgrades cost 4 points each.

Assuming that half of these battles are ones that doesn't actually have her in the battle, she's only useful in like 6 battles per match for mediocre dmg and effect.

I don't find her investment worth the payoff when you have other champs that deals dmg in the thousands and can do so many more things with their points. All with zero setup. So yeah, she's not that good.

if you want to play Ada you need to consider the following below.

-Cheap Engagement to make the best use of Ada's Skill.
-Draws or a way to get ada's skill into your hand(and keep it there), else she's literally useless.
-Items or meta to force as many fights as posible(Dragon, Collussus etc etc)
-To boost Ada's Dmg so that her 1 turn of helping actually makes a difference in the fights that you are participating.
-To ensure that at lategame that she scales as well as other Bot or else she's just a liability for the final fight.

Don't get me wrong, there are ways to make her work, but you have other more easier to use heroes that are more effective.

This is absolutely how I feel about her. The games don't go long enough to ever get to the point where you get 3 plays of her cards - and even if you did, she's gonna be outscaled by virtually every other pick. I have made some pretty decent ganks with her in a couple games since but it's not exactly what I'd call great. I think they need to make it so that once you play her equipment card, her attacks are permanently modified to always utilize equipment. She doesn't scale otherwise and she's objectively worse at 5v5 fights than probably every other option. That might need some toning down, but early game and mid game are so short that any benefit from her "one shot" is almost never going to matter.

Yup, pretty much. I could perfectly align the stars for this hero and she'll still be weaker than say Bond who one shots heroes. >.>

God bless if the AI can do it. It's just a free win if the AI uses her.

[K]

Lads... you're making my girl cringe with how disrespectful you're treating her; she's beyond broken. You can't tunnel vision on bot lane or view her simply as a 2v2 champ, She's always an extra attack/utility provider across the map. Most of the metas in my experience are fought around Herald, having her always tag along on that fight (and any fight that you plan ahead of Herald in mid or top) and essentially assuring you get a kill or two to snowball is extremely valuable. Plus, what others have said, if you support her with a card cycler like Disco Dino you can upgrade her faster to ensure aoe stuns on enemy team in first round. If you play the game only through bot then she isn't as useful as Elemi, Bariel, or other hard 2v2 laners of course, but that isn't why you want to pick her in the first place. That's like picking Mo when dragon only spawns round 50+. I hard disagree with people saying she needs too much investment. She's essentially an extra support for your team across the map and she's perfect for that function. Pick an early game ganker like Lubos, focus mid and start snowballing your mid and top side. Late game she is one of the strongest too, because she will randomly pick up kills across the map, she is the only bot laner to be an engage deterrent for the enemy team on ANY of your teammates. I've seen so many times the enemy engage on my mid laner thinking it's an easy kill, then get triple killed due to Ada's assistance and utility, and if you play your cards right she'll have 2/3 or 3/3 of her upgrades and will always stun multiple enemies mid-late game at the start of the fight. There are insanely strong bot laners in this game don't get me wrong, so I understand why comparing her in that context she can feel underwhelming, but she's broken with the right mindset and meta; mind you I wouldn't pick her much within an early game dragon meta... you're asking for trouble with that. Then you would be praying too much to the RNG gods for her upgrades.

[Giorno's Piano]

Originally posted by K:

Lads... you're making my girl cringe with how disrespectful you're treating her; she's beyond broken. You can't tunnel vision on bot lane or view her simply as a 2v2 champ, She's always an extra attack/utility provider across the map. Most of the metas in my experience are fought around Herald, having her always tag along on that fight (and any fight that you plan ahead of Herald in mid or top) and essentially assuring you get a kill or two to snowball is extremely valuable. Plus, what others have said, if you support her with a card cycler like Disco Dino you can upgrade her faster to ensure aoe stuns on enemy team in first round. If you play the game only through bot then she isn't as useful as Elemi, Bariel, or other hard 2v2 laners of course, but that isn't why you want to pick her in the first place. That's like picking Mo when dragon only spawns round 50+. I hard disagree with people saying she needs too much investment. She's essentially an extra support for your team across the map and she's perfect for that function. Pick an early game ganker like Lubos, focus mid and start snowballing your mid and top side. Late game she is one of the strongest too, because she will randomly pick up kills across the map, she is the only bot laner to be an engage deterrent for the enemy team on ANY of your teammates. I've seen so many times the enemy engage on my mid laner thinking it's an easy kill, then get triple killed due to Ada's assistance and utility, and if you play your cards right she'll have 2/3 or 3/3 of her upgrades and will always stun multiple enemies mid-late game at the start of the fight. There are insanely strong bot laners in this game don't get me wrong, so I understand why comparing her in that context she can feel underwhelming, but she's broken with the right mindset and meta; mind you I wouldn't pick her much within an early game dragon meta... you're asking for trouble with that. Then you would be praying too much to the RNG gods for her upgrades.

Aye, finally a stan of Ada has appeared. Im excited to hear she can bring value to a comp designated around her since I don't have the right team/decks to fully support her in my current run, so I couldn't say for sure previously.

Will be looking forward to making her work once the opportunity comes my way. Cheers.

[Postman Pat]

Based and Ada respecter pilled.

I've had some good games with her after this, but I don't have much on-demand initiation outside of Zealot at the moment, deck seems way too fat. Trying to make some adjustments to that, despite having been winning... scary stuff headed into the playoffs of this league. I'm not able to close games out lately, other than final fights.

The AI seems to always recall at like half HP or earlier, and my guys get stuck pushing until near the brink of death. :/

[Axariel]

Ada is a fairly good mid in my opinion, but I agree that she kind of pales in comparison to others.

Before I say anything else, save your strat points when you use her plans so you can get your next deployment early; it is the only way to effectively play her if you want to hit your Plan Cs.

She also gets substantially better if paired with other openers or a champ like Omaha. If you have a rule that limits your combat rounds, this also makes her a lot better. As for how to play her, I think it helps to keep your deck thin and not play cards with multiples or to have card draw. If you pair her with other card tutors like Blocker or Reinhardt, it helps to consistently hit Plan C. Because of how she plays, I think she is also far better for a team that focuses on quick kills/wins unless the rest of your team is good at scaling. In my opinion, she is not that great if you are heading into a final fight. Other than that, she can help to protect your squishy champs for the early game if you hit Plan C prior to gank attempts, but she can't really do that when it matters the most.

Edit: I also think that she is best as a mid that tries to use her plans on the opposing ADC or support, but that has a lot to do with my overall strat.

[Giorno's Piano]

Originally posted by Axariel:

Ada is a fairly good mid in my opinion, but I agree that she kind of pales in comparison to others.

Before I say anything else, save your strat points when you use her plans so you can get your next deployment early; it is the only way to effectively play her if you want to hit your Plan Cs.

She also gets substantially better if paired with other openers or a champ like Omaha. If you have a rule that limits your combat rounds, this also makes her a lot better. As for how to play her, I think it helps to keep your deck thin and not play cards with multiples or to have card draw. If you pair her with other card tutors like Blocker or Reinhardt, it helps to consistently hit Plan C. Because of how she plays, I think she is also far better for a team that focuses on quick kills/wins unless the rest of your team is good at scaling. In my opinion, she is not that great if you are heading into a final fight. Other than that, she can help to protect your squishy champs for the early game if you hit Plan C prior to gank attempts, but she can't really do that when it matters the most.

Edit: I also think that she is best as a mid that tries to use her plans on the opposing ADC or support, but that has a lot to do with my overall strat.

I think you confused Lan for Ada there, my guy.

[Axariel]

Originally posted by Giorno's Piano:

I think you confused Lan for Ada there, my guy.

♥♥♥♥. Well, I think aside from what I was saying about plans, most of that is true. I think that it makes more sense in my mind for Ada to have plans.

[Nagasaki Soyo]

I personally believe that Ada is a hero with strong protection and support abilities, and her later damage is also quite considerable. When you choose Ada, you can try to be more proactive in the middle lane. Ada's full map support can give the middle lane more opportunities to create kills. When Ada has a shield, it can also protect the middle lane from being killed by the opponent's JUG and MID.
Meanwhile, since her cards cannot be played actively, you do not need to expend energy to play her cards during the turn. You can use more of your energy for MID and JUG. I think you can choose ada when MID selects Qiubu (Detective). Because Qiubu has a high weight in playing cards, frequent battlefield attacks are needed to assign "suspects" to the opponent.
If resource group warfare breaks out first on the TOP, ada's support can also be effective. Overall, Ada is not the core champion you can build teams around, but she can help teammates gain an advantage in versions that lean towards MID and TOP. In the later team battles, she can also ensure that the team's damage is sufficient.

[Postman Pat]

Good input!

I'm finding that Kaka seems to be very useful as a jungler when playing Ada now, thinned the deck out a bit, and am able to get a few more skirmishes where her snipe contributes.

[Panthaz89]

I don't see why anyone thinks Ada is weak at any point....global presence in fights and she has 30% more attack power by end game. Her concussive grenade+multishot can be the difference in a lot of fights. She also picks up a ton of assists especially if your rules include a few herald fights or simply scare the enemy from ever contesting or initiating in the first place. You can also get her mod upgrade down to 2 then all you have to do is play 6 points the entire match to get her completely online with next to zero investment.

[Postman Pat]

Really need to have a bunch of cheap initiations to make it work. If you do, it's pretty gud I've found out! Good tips in thread on her. :D

[Axariel]

Compare Ada to Enidi?