[SPOILERS} Anyone pissed off at Reina's first H scene?

[adrian]

First of all, I'm posting this in several forums online because I'm interested in hearing the opinion of as many people as possible, so if you've seen this rant somewhere else already, please ignore it and don't waste any more time on my silly tantrum.

Now, on to the actual rant:

I dunno, I was expecting something more wholesome from this kind of game than 'they get together because they had sex while high AND THEIR FIRST TIME WAS A THREESOME.' That was absolutely horrible writing and super off-putting.

Reina is a really awesome and fun character so I was really excited to see some wholesome romance between her and the MC, but the way they 'got together' was so horribly written and such a stupid copout I don't want to continue with her route... or this game anymore. I just want to see wholesome romance between the protagonist and the characters, man (plus some drama and sadness, that's fine). But I really despise this kind of stuff.

At least in Sylvie's route, the threesome is optional and happens after they've been a couple for a while, so I don't mind it (but she's also drunk. What the hell is wrong with the writers of this game and drunk/high sex?). I guess this wasn't the right game to choose. Anyone else thought that or just me? It reaaaaallly cheapens the romance IMO (like they couldn't think of a way to get them together without stripping away their ability to become a couple consciously) because it deprives the couple of their agency, but I might be in the minority, so I'm interested in your guys' thoughts. Yes, I know this kind of thing happens a lot in real life, but it's not what I seek from my escapist moege/nakige fiction. I want wholesome teens experiencing love for the first time, not... this.

Sorry for ranting, and I'm not saying anyone who actually enjoyed that scene is wrong - I just personally hated it. I'm curious to see how many people agree with me.

[Meau-chan]

I'm still busy with this VN, but have at least completed both Reina's and Sylvia's routes. For me personally, it's not just the h-scenes, but I don't really like Kinkoi's writing style so far in general. There's just random stuff happening all over the place, then we get random romance/h-scenes out of no where too without having any character development or story development whatsoever. Reina's route is a good example of this, due reasons you've mentioned above. I'm currently busy with Elle's route which I find slightly better than the other 2 routes so far at least. But yeah... that aside, I totally get where you are coming from.

[Kiritsuna]

As far as that H-scene goes, I enjoyed it from a physical sense, but I didn't feel anything emotionally. So I agree with you on that one. I didn't really like how their first time went. In my mind you were able to choose not to have a 3some, guess I was wrong.

When it comes to the rest of the scenes, I had mixed feelings with how Sylvie's route went. It was inconsistent at times. Other than that, I enjoyed all the routes.

If I were you, I would just play the game to see Ria's route

[adrian]

Originally posted by Kiritsuna:

If I were you, I would just play the game to see Ria's route

The problem is, you have to do all the other routes to get Ria's route, so I'd have to finish Reina's route first. It's been a while since I've seen such a likeable love interest in a VN and I don't like how the writers did they dirty like that. I mean, I like Ria, too, but I was really looking forward to the Ouro x Reina romance. I guess you could say the game betrayed my expectations. This isn't necessarily the writers' fault - perhaps my expectations as to what kind of content it would have are wrong. But agency between the couple is the most important thing for me in those kind of stories, so I just don't feel like continuing with this game. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

At the end of the day, it's ultimately just entertainment. The best thing to do when you're disappointed with the direction a piece of fiction went is to just move on, I think. I was just curious to see if my iron rule that the way in which a fictional couple gets together is the most important thing in a romance story was something shared by more people or if it was just me.

I could have probably stomached the scene if it were just the two of them. Sure, it would still be having their first time without agency and through a cheap writing trick forcing them together, but it could at least provide some cool relationship drama forcing them to examine their feelings, etc. Not as wholesome as I'd prefer, but passable for my tastes. But throwing in another person for a couple's first time? I'm sorry, but that's really beyond my tolerance levels for this sh*t.

[Dutchlegionnair]

Im still quite new to reading VNs and also im not a critic so I dont know how to judge whether writing, visuals etc is good or bad. I did enjoy the H-scene for what it was but I can agree that the way Reina and the MC got together was offputting and not romantic.

I have finished all the routes and I have to say that the way some H-scenes come about feels a bit forced or too fast with not enough lead-up. also I was surprised the 4th route was Akane, I really expected it was either gonna be Ayaka or Mina.

[Kiritsuna]

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The problem is, you have to do all the other routes to get Ria's route, so I'd have to finish Reina's route first. It's been a while since I've seen such a likeable love interest in a VN and I don't like how the writers did they dirty like that. I mean, I like Ria, too, but I was really looking forward to the Ouro x Reina romance. I guess you could say the game betrayed my expectations. This isn't necessarily the writers' fault - perhaps my expectations as to what kind of content it would have are wrong. But agency between the couple is the most important thing for me in those kind of stories, so I just don't feel like continuing with this game. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

At the end of the day, it's ultimately just entertainment. The best thing to do when you're disappointed with the direction a piece of fiction went is to just move on, I think. I was just curious to see if my iron rule that the way in which a fictional couple gets together is the most important thing in a romance story was something shared by more people or if it was just me.

I could have probably stomached the scene if it were just the two of them. Sure, it would still be having their first time without agency and through a cheap writing trick forcing them together, but it could at least provide some cool relationship drama forcing them to examine their feelings, etc. Not as wholesome as I'd prefer, but passable for my tastes. But throwing in another person for a couple's first time? I'm sorry, but that's really beyond my tolerance levels for this sh*t. [/quote]

I'm not attacking you or anything, if it isn't of your taste that's too bad. I understand your feeling. When my best girl in a VN gets ♥♥♥♥ treatment, or has a disappointing route, I want to drop the game.

[Kiritsuna]

Originally posted by Dutchlegionnair:

Im still quite new to reading VNs and also im not a critic so I dont know how to judge whether writing, visuals etc is good or bad. I did enjoy the H-scene for what it was but I can agree that the way Reina and the MC got together was offputting and not romantic.

I have finished all the routes and I have to say that the way some H-scenes come about feels a bit forced or too fast with not enough lead-up. also I was surprised the 4th route was Akane, I really expected it was either gonna be Ayaka or Mina.

They left Ayaka and Mina for the FD, but yeah, I just skipped Akane's. I wansn't really interested in her

[adrian]

Originally posted by Kiritsuna:

I'm not attacking you or anything, if it isn't of your taste that's too bad. I understand your feeling. When my best girl in a VN gets ♥♥♥♥ treatment, or has a disappointing route, I want to drop the game.

Oh, no, I didn't think you were attacking me at all, I was glad to hear your opinion, thank you for sharing it!

[Pay Child Suport]

not pissed. not pissed at all. more like they are trying so hard.

obviously they both won't make the first move. they both are comfortable with their current standing -- just the best of friends. so the writers decided to use outside influence to make the two stick it in. is it badly executed? sure. despite that I kinda liked their interaction even as they are doing the H. in the end they both kinda felt bad to each other. Reina felt like she took advantage of him, and ouro felt he had to step up and not leave her alone. both of which are understandable.

[Hikari.ws]

I haven't played the game, but I guess this isn't uncommon on ♥♥♥ H stories.

In most of them, it's all based on girls being very lonely and sad, and a simple caring from MC is enough for them to fall in love for him. Harens are also very common and girls don't care about their loved guy hanging with many other girls. It's very far from reality behavior, but it's just fiction.

[mathmagician517]

I'm a bit late to the party, but... yeah, I feel the same way.

Reina's route contains the most awkward and forced romance I've ever seen in a visual novel. And it baffles me why it was done that way. Why can't they just get together "normally"? It's such a shame: Reina is one of the more interesting and complex characters in this VN.

I enjoyed Elle's and Akane's routes a lot more. More wholesome romances that develop naturally, and they don't pull any stupid stunts like this.

[Pay Child Suport]

Originally posted by mathmagician517:

Why can't they just get together "normally"?

because "normally" both Reina and Ouro wouldn't push the relationship further. so the writers decided to use outside influence. I agree that it is way too unnatural but the current status between them is exactly the kind of things where you need to force things through.

[wombocorp]

i know this is a year old but i completely agree, i was the most interested in reina from the start and this scene felt so hollow and gross. i could deal with it if it just didn't seem like a complete tone-deaf switch from the more light-hearted, slightly melodramatic, but wholesome tone that was portrayed throughout the game prior. i'll probably still continue with it because i did still mostly enjoy my time with it, but i don't really feel like playing more of it at the moment. even if i don't like it in general, the fact that it had to be with reina really makes it way worse for me.

[Overhead]

Thank you man, I stumbled upon your post in Google search result before buying but I didn't click in. I really should have read this. The game it's such a weirdo and I've uninstalled it right after that scene. RIP my time and money.