please rush guldo/Ginyu force

[BoltHarrier]

these guys are designed to be a snowball. For the love of god, if you see your teammate start fighting a ginyu force breaker, JOIN THEM, ginyu alone is the weakest level 4.

[Legion716]

This is what I've been telling people. Playing passively is just foolish, if they're not rushing Guldo and maaaaaybe Recoome, they should be finding keys. Not stocking up on items to swap with later ffs. DBs are also vital to beating Ginyu.

[Ao Bai Gaming]

Problem is even killing Guldo can cause them to exponentially snowball. I've had matches where my teammates killed Guldo, then Recoome just downs two of them before they can escape because they used their movement skills to join the fight in time. I've also seen a similar situation where Recoome will show up after Guldo dying, and immediately use his scouter and find enough civvies to reach LVL3 within a minute tops. There's no punishment to their evolution energy gains, no punishment to their auto-evolve, no punishment to their damage until you reach Ginyu. As a solo it's almost impossible to win, and I've only won five out of the hundreds of matches I've had against Ginyu. Even premades are having trouble dealing with them because of how little those punishments actually matter in the grand scheme. They're not like Vegeta where dying as Saibaman harshly punishes Nappa's evolution gains and removes his add, or where dying as Nappa removes Vegeta's add and basically kills any hopes of reaching LVL4.

With all previous stages dead, Ginyu doesn't feel weaker than any other Raider imo, save for his lower HP pool. He feels just as strong as any other LVL4. With all the Ginyu Force members alive, he's basically unstoppable. The biggest difference is when Jeice/Burter live and turn his Super attack into a literal nuke that'll instantly kill anyone who's unlucky enough to be targeted by it. Getting rid of them gimps Ginyu's nuke potential and allows Survivors to actually hold him off for a reasonable amount of time even at LVL1/2 if they play well or bring skills like Afterimage and Wall of Defense/Energy Field.

[Him Kardashian]

What even is the purpose to rushing them early? Say you're all level 1s or 2s when you rush them and manage to defeat them what then? I don't get it wouldn't it put you at a bigger disadvantage because they have four lives?

[CelkyN6]

Originally posted by Dr. Spankenstein, the Spanktopus:

What even is the purpose to rushing them early? Say you're all level 1s or 2s when you rush them and manage to defeat them what then? I don't get it wouldn't it put you at a bigger disadvantage because they have four lives?

Their 4th form is stronger for each form that doesn't die, that said most of the time with randoms we end up wiping on Jeice anyway.

[Him Kardashian]

Originally posted by CelkyN6:

Originally posted by Dr. Spankenstein, the Spanktopus:

What even is the purpose to rushing them early? Say you're all level 1s or 2s when you rush them and manage to defeat them what then? I don't get it wouldn't it put you at a bigger disadvantage because they have four lives?

Their 4th form is stronger for each form that doesn't die, that said most of the time with randoms we end up wiping on Jeice anyway.

Ooooh I didn't know that thanks for clearing that up for me.

[Blue Thunder]

Originally posted by Dr. Spankenstein, the Spanktopus:

Originally posted by CelkyN6:

Their 4th form is stronger for each form that doesn't die, that said most of the time with randoms we end up wiping on Jeice anyway.

Ooooh I didn't know that thanks for clearing that up for me.

Each Ginyu member that Survives provides the following to Ginyu:

Guldo = More HP as Ginyu
Recoome = More damage as Ginyu
Jeice&Burter = More movement speed as Ginyu

Those 3 are Ginyu Force's Stage 4's passive skills.

There's also the additional fact of Guldo's "Solo Mission" in which he becomes a perma scout on the map. Recoome will join in Melee attacks, increasing its damage further during Stages 3 and 4, and Jeice&Burter will do their own Special moves during Ginyu's Milky Cannon Special.

[BoltHarrier]

Originally posted by Ao Bai Gaming:

Problem is even killing Guldo can cause them to exponentially snowball. I've had matches where my teammates killed Guldo, then Recoome just downs two of them before they can escape because they used their movement skills to join the fight in time. I've also seen a similar situation where Recoome will show up after Guldo dying, and immediately use his scouter and find enough civvies to reach LVL3 within a minute tops. There's no punishment to their evolution energy gains, no punishment to their auto-evolve, no punishment to their damage until you reach Ginyu. As a solo it's almost impossible to win, and I've only won five out of the hundreds of matches I've had against Ginyu. Even premades are having trouble dealing with them because of how little those punishments actually matter in the grand scheme. They're not like Vegeta where dying as Saibaman harshly punishes Nappa's evolution gains and removes his add, or where dying as Nappa removes Vegeta's add and basically kills any hopes of reaching LVL4.

With all previous stages dead, Ginyu doesn't feel weaker than any other Raider imo, save for his lower HP pool. He feels just as strong as any other LVL4. With all the Ginyu Force members alive, he's basically unstoppable. The biggest difference is when Jeice/Burter live and turn his Super attack into a literal nuke that'll instantly kill anyone who's unlucky enough to be targeted by it. Getting rid of them gimps Ginyu's nuke potential and allows Survivors to actually hold him off for a reasonable amount of time even at LVL1/2 if they play well or bring skills like Afterimage and Wall of Defense/Energy Field.

It only takes 2-3 players at level 1 to kill guldo, He is INSANELY weak. by that point, the rest of the players are saving up for level 2. Recoome levels 2-3 times slower than guldo does, and you have the time to save up for higher levels to take him down. Same with Jeice and burter.



If anyone wants to squad up/discord, lemme know. probably more fun than with randoms anyway.