I "think" they officially made Buu unplayable now.

[WillTheRedPanda]

Seriously, every since the update, as a Survivor, I've never seen a Buu even win by killing all 7 survivors unlike Cell or Freiza. That huge Spopovich nerf honestly made the raider dig his own grave. Can't hit survivors, get beat up by Change Level 2 & 3, and you just insta lose when you're still at Level 1 with all keys placed or at a bad spawn with no Civilians at your location.

They made a mistake doing that, and all they need to do is just Nerf Level 3 & 4 Buu since it was already difficult to go from Level 1 to 3 right the bat. I even Rage Quit(Yeah, you heard me say it) and exit the game when it was impossible for me to even win.

Now this Raider is just as good as dead and Cell and Freiza will be used a lot more now because of that. Besides that Cell buff, that was a smart move of balance.

PS: How in the world Freiza didn't get nerfed one bit, especially his 2nd form that just shoots beams like its a gun is beyond my reasoning, especially when he clearly has the majority win rate from their graph as well... -_-

[maDEMOman]

Originally posted by JovialW:

Seriously, every since the update, as a Survivor, I've never seen a Buu even win by killing all 7 survivors unlike Cell or Freiza. That huge Spopovich nerf honestly made the raider dig his own grave. Can't hit survivors, get beat up by Change Level 2 & 3, and you just insta lose when you're still at Level 1 with all keys placed or at a bad spawn with no Civilians at your location.

They made a mistake doing that, and all they need to do is just Nerf Level 3 & 4 Buu since it was already difficult to go from Level 1 to 3 right the bat. I even Rage Quit(Yeah, you heard me say it) and exit the game when it was impossible for me to even win.

Now this Raider is just as good as dead and Cell and Freiza will be used a lot more now because of that. Besides that Cell buff, that was a smart move of balance.

PS: How in the world Freiza didn't get nerfed one bit, especially his 2nd form that just shoots beams like its a gun is beyond my reasoning, especially when he clearly has the majority win rate from their graph as well... -_-

Frieza is balanced.
Spopovich wasnt.

[C-Boy]

Nah, Spopovich was terribly broken. Nerf was needed and welcome imo.

[Kashra Fall]

? What? Spopovich only got a ki blast reduction, yamu and his supers still work fine and are fast? His beam super also AoE's if it hits the ground, which hits people rolling. Send Yamu, catch em with the super. When he gets innocent buu, 3 civis is super buu. After that, it's really up to you how to play, but as spopo, always go for survivors, 2 is innocent buu, then 3 civis is super buu.

[Bill]

Originally posted by maDEMOman:

Frieza is balanced.
Spopovich wasnt.

Frieza downplayers are wild

[WillTheRedPanda]

Originally posted by Kashra Fall:

? What? Spopovich only got a ki blast reduction, yamu and his supers still work fine and are fast? His beam super also AoE's if it hits the ground, which hits people rolling. Send Yamu, catch em with the super. When he gets innocent buu, 3 civis is super buu. After that, it's really up to you how to play, but as spopo, always go for survivors, 2 is innocent buu, then 3 civis is super buu.

Get interupted by anything, his supers, get cancelled. And his beam now actually misses too much now to the point where you need to melee hit them. And that's the problem since downing two survivors are legit your only win condition and that's basically gone now because of that heavy nerf.

And although Majin Buu at Level 2 needs 3 combined survivors/citizens, it takes way too long for him to finish off survivors and all the civilians are gonna be gone by the time you're level 2.

Heck, even in one of these new videos proofs it as well:
https://youtu.be/o9z-rDZZkws

Level 1 gets killed in 5 mins...not sure what the balancers were thinking.

[Kashra Fall]

Originally posted by JovialW:

Originally posted by Kashra Fall:

? What? Spopovich only got a ki blast reduction, yamu and his supers still work fine and are fast? His beam super also AoE's if it hits the ground, which hits people rolling. Send Yamu, catch em with the super. When he gets innocent buu, 3 civis is super buu. After that, it's really up to you how to play, but as spopo, always go for survivors, 2 is innocent buu, then 3 civis is super buu.

Get interupted by anything, his supers, get cancelled. And his beam now actually misses too much now to the point where you need to melee hit them. And that's the problem since downing two survivors are legit your only win condition and that's basically gone now because of that heavy nerf.

And although Majin Buu at Level 2 needs 3 combined survivors/citizens, it takes way too long for him to finish off survivors and all the civilians are gonna be gone by the time you're level 2.

Heck, even in one of these new videos proofs it as well:
https://youtu.be/o9z-rDZZkws

Level 1 gets killed in 5 mins...not sure what the balancers were thinking.

Well, you shouldn't be level 1 at 5 minutes in...So not sure what this video is trying to prove other than the person playing spopovich is wasting time. I watched my friend just earlier playing spopo and he got super buu in around 3 minutes time. He started away from survivors, flew to them, downed two, went to innocent buu, went to super buu shortly after with civis.

[maDEMOman]

Originally posted by Bill:

Originally posted by maDEMOman:

Frieza is balanced.
Spopovich wasnt.

Frieza downplayers are wild

When level 3 buu outplays level 4 cell/frieza i will call frieza as balanced as i want.

[Rigz]

Originally posted by JovialW:

Originally posted by Kashra Fall:

? What? Spopovich only got a ki blast reduction, yamu and his supers still work fine and are fast? His beam super also AoE's if it hits the ground, which hits people rolling. Send Yamu, catch em with the super. When he gets innocent buu, 3 civis is super buu. After that, it's really up to you how to play, but as spopo, always go for survivors, 2 is innocent buu, then 3 civis is super buu.

Get interupted by anything, his supers, get cancelled. And his beam now actually misses too much now to the point where you need to melee hit them. And that's the problem since downing two survivors are legit your only win condition and that's basically gone now because of that heavy nerf.

And although Majin Buu at Level 2 needs 3 combined survivors/citizens, it takes way too long for him to finish off survivors and all the civilians are gonna be gone by the time you're level 2.

Heck, even in one of these new videos proofs it as well:
https://youtu.be/o9z-rDZZkws

Level 1 gets killed in 5 mins...not sure what the balancers were thinking.

Not to say peeps who are going for civs as spopo are playing buu wrong but they are playing buu wrong. As spopo you are meant to hunt survivors early on and even rewarded for it. You want to save civs for ya lvl 2 and lvl 3 wasting time on civs as spopo hurts you more than help you.

This is coming from one of the highest buu players in the game currently. That and spopo is way stronger than buu lvl 2 only thing he is missing is an evasive which makes lvl 2 safer.

[Stardust]

Originally posted by JovialW:

Seriously, every since the update, as a Survivor, I've never seen a Buu even win by killing all 7 survivors unlike Cell or Freiza. That huge Spopovich nerf honestly made the raider dig his own grave. Can't hit survivors, get beat up by Change Level 2 & 3, and you just insta lose when you're still at Level 1 with all keys placed or at a bad spawn with no Civilians at your location.

They made a mistake doing that, and all they need to do is just Nerf Level 3 & 4 Buu since it was already difficult to go from Level 1 to 3 right the bat. I even Rage Quit(Yeah, you heard me say it) and exit the game when it was impossible for me to even win.

Now this Raider is just as good as dead and Cell and Freiza will be used a lot more now because of that. Besides that Cell buff, that was a smart move of balance.

PS: How in the world Freiza didn't get nerfed one bit, especially his 2nd form that just shoots beams like its a gun is beyond my reasoning, especially when he clearly has the majority win rate from their graph as well... -_-

Skill issue, I am literally unbeaten as buu.

[Paladiknight]

Originally posted by JovialW:

Well, you shouldn't be level 1 at 5 minutes in...So not sure what this video is trying to prove other than the person playing spopovich is wasting time. I watched my friend just earlier playing spopo and he got super buu in around 3 minutes time. He started away from survivors, flew to them, downed two, went to innocent buu, went to super buu shortly after with civis.

In my experience, your goal as Buu is to aim for around the two minute mark. That's a solid time to achieve level 2, and you need to take an early lead to try and achieve form 3 in a reasonable enough time so that you can dunk on people with some of the best still not as good as Frieza's tools in the game.

You're best move as spoppy is to rush the survivor spawn locations while everyone is still 0 for free easy kills. Even if you don't get them you're popping some CDs and delaying the people you're screwing with from getting any supplies to advance their D-change, or finding keys and dragon balls.

New Spoppy's ki blast is slow and only travels 85 units, and has a worse hitbox. They nerfed it hard. So you're window of opportunity is much smaller than it was prior. Ideally you can get at least one survivor at the start of the match. If you can down two, than you're set and can likely even have it done in a minute to a minute in a half. Otherwise you're better off settling for one survivor and 2 civis rather than scowering the whole map. Benefit to civis is they stay still and you can just listen to the cave systems as you round your egg.

Basically though am saying, 3 is not an ideal time to hit level 2. It's a fair bit slow, and it does happen to even the best. 5 minutes in is a ludicrously bad time to still be level 1. I've seen civis all emptied out 4 and minutes in on occasion. A half decent survivor team using their key radars properly instead of just picking them up and not using them at all will have the majority of the keys found and likely a couple of them slotted by the 3 minute mark with how quick the game moves.

[WillTheRedPanda]

Originally posted by Kashra Fall:

Originally posted by JovialW:

Get interupted by anything, his supers, get cancelled. And his beam now actually misses too much now to the point where you need to melee hit them. And that's the problem since downing two survivors are legit your only win condition and that's basically gone now because of that heavy nerf.

And although Majin Buu at Level 2 needs 3 combined survivors/citizens, it takes way too long for him to finish off survivors and all the civilians are gonna be gone by the time you're level 2.

Heck, even in one of these new videos proofs it as well:
https://youtu.be/o9z-rDZZkws

Level 1 gets killed in 5 mins...not sure what the balancers were thinking.

Well, you shouldn't be level 1 at 5 minutes in...So not sure what this video is trying to prove other than the person playing spopovich is wasting time. I watched my friend just earlier playing spopo and he got super buu in around 3 minutes time. He started away from survivors, flew to them, downed two, went to innocent buu, went to super buu shortly after with civis.

Keys were placed and Super Time Machine appeared in 2:27 minutes. Even one of the not bright survivors senzu himself to death. What else is there to proof?

And you saying how your friend got Super Buu in 3 minutes only proves two things: A: Your friend basically won the lottery with civilians in his spawn or B: Was against a full team of survivors who didn't know what they were doing and didn't save "any" civilians.

Unless one of the two options happens in your friend favor, I just wouldn't believe it.

[Paladiknight]

Originally posted by JovialW:

Keys were placed and Super Time Machine appeared in 2:27 minutes.

Big oof. 2:27? They did that ♥♥♥♥ hella fast.

Tbh, this is the biggest strength the survivors have right now. The ease of access to objectives, item layouts that people are now memorizing, and how common key radars actually are. The game moves too fast a majority of the time. Sounds like that guy just got incredibly unlucky though.

[Kashra Fall]

Originally posted by JovialW:

Originally posted by Kashra Fall:

Well, you shouldn't be level 1 at 5 minutes in...So not sure what this video is trying to prove other than the person playing spopovich is wasting time. I watched my friend just earlier playing spopo and he got super buu in around 3 minutes time. He started away from survivors, flew to them, downed two, went to innocent buu, went to super buu shortly after with civis.

Keys were placed and Super Time Machine appeared in 2:27 minutes. Even one of the not bright survivors senzu himself to death. What else is there to proof?

And you saying how your friend got Super Buu in 3 minutes only proves two things: A: Your friend basically won the lottery with civilians in his spawn or B: Was against a full team of survivors who didn't know what they were doing and didn't save "any" civilians.

Unless one of the two options happens in your friend favor, I just wouldn't believe it.

Bad games happen just like good ones happen, but you still should NOT be level 1 at 5 minutes. Heck, I just did a cell game and found no civis for the first two minutes of my game. I just chased people around as larva cell, downed a guy on a bike and evolved. Spopovich can blast two ways and send yamu two ways and he can do it from range and in the air. The problem isn't the nerf, but the player unfortunately. Spopo also excels at hunting survivors, not going for civis, less energy from civis, more for buu, less for spopo.