"Skill Issue" is a meme but I honestly think it fits as a response to *ALOT* of threads here.

[C-Boy]

Some people need to learn not everything is underpowered, overpowered, busted or broken. Sometimes you just need to learn how to play the game, get better and learn how to respond to certain situations.

This is just good advice for all forms of gaming; MOBA's, Team Deathmatch's, 4v1's, 7v1's, 1v1's, stop looking for an "out" and maybe try to better yourself.

[Quasariné]

I understand your point, but it is what it is there are indeed things busted and broken and if you dissagree with that is because you're part of the problem and you are abusing of those things.

I'm telling you I might not be the best Cell player here I might be miles away from that but I'm not a rookie.
I know how to play with Cell, I use all of his tools, I destroy the areas with more resources, If there is a Civilian on my way I absorb them but I cannot focus on searching Civilians because I would let the survivors place the keys
If I'm searching for Survivors and one of them escape with Bulmas' bike I DONT PURSUE THEM, I try to focus where they keys are being placed and try to search there.
I know how to dodge, I know how to use my Solar flare and Afterimage, I know how to fight and yet I'm losing.

What could YOU tell me to improve? because I do what everyone recommends and still lose.
Tell me, how do I respond better when 5 of 7 survivors use Bulma's Bike whenever I use Ki sense?
Tell me, how do I respond when I have just got to Lvl 2, destroyed an area and there are already survivors with Dragon Charge lvl 2/3 and almost all key placed?



-Either Frieza gets a nerf or Cell and maybe Buu( I cannot speak to much about him) get a buff.

-HUGE nerf to bulma's bike is needed, that thing shouldn't be faster than your Dragon Charge and that the Raider.

Those are the two things that need to be checked.

[C-Boy]

Originally posted by Sunshine:

I understand your point, but it is what it is there are indeed things busted and broken and if you dissagree with that is because you're part of the problem and you are abusing of those things.

I'm telling you I might not be the best Cell player here I might be miles away from that but I'm not a rookie.
I know how to play with Cell, I use all of his tools, I destroy the areas with more resources, If there is a Civilian on my way I absorb them but I cannot focus on searching Civilians because I would let the survivors place the keys
If I'm searching for Survivors and one of them escape with Bulmas' bike I DONT PURSUE THEM, I try to focus where they keys are being placed and try to search there.
I know how to dodge, I know how to use my Solar flare and Afterimage, I know how to fight and yet I'm losing.

What could YOU tell me to improve? because I do what everyone recommends and still lose.
Tell me, how do I respond better when 5 of 7 survivors use Bulma's Bike whenever I use Ki sense?
Tell me, how do I respond when I have just got to Lvl 2, destroyed an area and there are already survivors with Dragon Charge lvl 2/3 and almost all key placed?



-Either Frieza gets a nerf or Cell and maybe Buu( I cannot speak to much about him) get a buff.

-HUGE nerf to bulma's bike is needed, that thing shouldn't be faster than your Dragon Charge and that the Raider.

Those are the two things that need to be checked.

Sounds like your biggest gripe is Bulma's Bike, as a Frieza main, I usually deal with those pretty easily with one Level 3 Death Beam and then survivors are free xp, I cant speak to Cell or Buu because I rarely play them.

[Quasariné]

Originally posted by C:

Originally posted by Sunshine:

I understand your point, but it is what it is there are indeed things busted and broken and if you dissagree with that is because you're part of the problem and you are abusing of those things.

I'm telling you I might not be the best Cell player here I might be miles away from that but I'm not a rookie.
I know how to play with Cell, I use all of his tools, I destroy the areas with more resources, If there is a Civilian on my way I absorb them but I cannot focus on searching Civilians because I would let the survivors place the keys
If I'm searching for Survivors and one of them escape with Bulmas' bike I DONT PURSUE THEM, I try to focus where they keys are being placed and try to search there.
I know how to dodge, I know how to use my Solar flare and Afterimage, I know how to fight and yet I'm losing.

What could YOU tell me to improve? because I do what everyone recommends and still lose.
Tell me, how do I respond better when 5 of 7 survivors use Bulma's Bike whenever I use Ki sense?
Tell me, how do I respond when I have just got to Lvl 2, destroyed an area and there are already survivors with Dragon Charge lvl 2/3 and almost all key placed?



-Either Frieza gets a nerf or Cell and maybe Buu( I cannot speak to much about him) get a buff.

-HUGE nerf to bulma's bike is needed, that thing shouldn't be faster than your Dragon Charge and that the Raider.

Those are the two things that need to be checked.

Sounds like your biggest gripe is Bulma's Bike, as a Frieza main, I usually deal with those pretty easily with one Level 3 Death Beam and then survivors are free xp, I cant speak to Cell or Buu because I rarely play them.

*I can't speak to Cell or Buu because I rarely play them*
I challenge you, play as Cell and teach me how to deal with my gripes and to get free exp from survivors.

Show me and give me the true tips of how you win your Cell matches, that's a challenge.

Now, I want you if you have time to tell me your strategy using Frieza, what do you usually do from lvl 1 to lvl 4.

[Bang BANG]

Originally posted by Sunshine:

I understand your point, but it is what it is there are indeed things busted and broken and if you dissagree with that is because you're part of the problem and you are abusing of those things.

I'm telling you I might not be the best Cell player here I might be miles away from that but I'm not a rookie.
I know how to play with Cell, I use all of his tools, I destroy the areas with more resources, If there is a Civilian on my way I absorb them but I cannot focus on searching Civilians because I would let the survivors place the keys
If I'm searching for Survivors and one of them escape with Bulmas' bike I DONT PURSUE THEM, I try to focus where they keys are being placed and try to search there.
I know how to dodge, I know how to use my Solar flare and Afterimage, I know how to fight and yet I'm losing.

What could YOU tell me to improve? because I do what everyone recommends and still lose.
Tell me, how do I respond better when 5 of 7 survivors use Bulma's Bike whenever I use Ki sense?
Tell me, how do I respond when I have just got to Lvl 2, destroyed an area and there are already survivors with Dragon Charge lvl 2/3 and almost all key placed?



-Either Frieza gets a nerf or Cell and maybe Buu( I cannot speak to much about him) get a buff.

-HUGE nerf to bulma's bike is needed, that thing shouldn't be faster than your Dragon Charge and that the Raider.

Those are the two things that need to be checked.

get gud you scrub garbage

[C-Boy]

Originally posted by Sunshine:

Originally posted by C:

Sounds like your biggest gripe is Bulma's Bike, as a Frieza main, I usually deal with those pretty easily with one Level 3 Death Beam and then survivors are free xp, I cant speak to Cell or Buu because I rarely play them.

*I can't speak to Cell or Buu because I rarely play them*
I challenge you, play as Cell and teach me how to deal with my gripes and to get free exp from survivors.

Show me and give me the true tips of how you win your Cell matches, that's a challenge.

Now, I want you if you have time to tell me your strategy using Frieza, what do you usually do from lvl 1 to lvl 4.

I dont want to play Cell or Buu for one because I personally dont like them as much as Freiza gameplay wise/thematically and two because I am trying to get Frieza to level 100.

I can however tell you my strategy;

Level 1: Immediately make a B-Line towards civillian hubs depending on the map I am on.

Level 2: Since I am in the city either destroy vending machines or look for the closest target whether that be stray civillians in caves or survivors hiding.

Level 3: Fun time begins, Zarbon and Deidoria go scouting while I guard a zone that hasnt been completed yet.

Level 4: RP Frieza destroying Namek.

[Ozone]

I for the most part agree with you, but that player count is rather concerning. If people are leaving because Raider is too hard for instance, then that could be a problem for this game's lifespan. Food for thought.

[Quasariné]

Originally posted by C:

Originally posted by Sunshine:

*I can't speak to Cell or Buu because I rarely play them*
I challenge you, play as Cell and teach me how to deal with my gripes and to get free exp from survivors.

Show me and give me the true tips of how you win your Cell matches, that's a challenge.

Now, I want you if you have time to tell me your strategy using Frieza, what do you usually do from lvl 1 to lvl 4.

I dont want to play Cell or Buu for one because I personally dont like them as much as Freiza gameplay wise/thematically and two because I am trying to get Frieza to level 100.

I can however tell you my strategy;

Level 1: Immediately make a B-Line towards civillian hubs depending on the map I am on.

Level 2: Since I am in the city either destroy vending machines or look for the closest target whether that be stray civillians in caves or survivors hiding.

Level 3: Fun time begins, Zarbon and Deidoria go scouting while I guard a zone that hasnt been completed yet.

Level 4: RP Frieza destroying Namek.

Very interesting, I have done all of that except the Zarbon and dodoria part because I play as Cell and it doesn't go that well, is that skill issue Cade? or perhaps is because of the limitations that Cell has or maybe the advantages that Frieza has overall?.

You'll find out, eventually you'll play as Cell or Buu, there's nothing beyond lvl 100.
After I reach lvl 100 with Cell, I'll stick with Frieza to see how it goes.

[MarxRhett]

Originally posted by Sunshine:

I understand your point, but it is what it is there are indeed things busted and broken and if you dissagree with that is because you're part of the problem and you are abusing of those things.

I'm telling you I might not be the best Cell player here I might be miles away from that but I'm not a rookie.
I know how to play with Cell, I use all of his tools, I destroy the areas with more resources, If there is a Civilian on my way I absorb them but I cannot focus on searching Civilians because I would let the survivors place the keys
If I'm searching for Survivors and one of them escape with Bulmas' bike I DONT PURSUE THEM, I try to focus where they keys are being placed and try to search there.
I know how to dodge, I know how to use my Solar flare and Afterimage, I know how to fight and yet I'm losing.

What could YOU tell me to improve? because I do what everyone recommends and still lose.
Tell me, how do I respond better when 5 of 7 survivors use Bulma's Bike whenever I use Ki sense?
Tell me, how do I respond when I have just got to Lvl 2, destroyed an area and there are already survivors with Dragon Charge lvl 2/3 and almost all key placed?



-Either Frieza gets a nerf or Cell and maybe Buu( I cannot speak to much about him) get a buff.

-HUGE nerf to bulma's bike is needed, that thing shouldn't be faster than your Dragon Charge and that the Raider.

Those are the two things that need to be checked.

I hate frieza too, but if we are talking balance, hes fine. The only real thing I have a gripe with is frieza being able to watch 3 escape pods at the same time or his ability to lock down an area with zarbon and dedoria who tattle tales your position like a teachers pet when you try to enter but this can be overcome, with either teamwork or a misplay from the raider. I personally find buu to be in a good spot. He's the raider I use because I find him the most fun, even at innocent buu. Cell...probably needs the most help out of the 3 raiders. He evolves fast but hes also kind of a joke. If a cell wins, I feel like its a bigger commentary on how bad the survivors were tbh.

[C-Boy]

Originally posted by Sunshine:

Originally posted by C:

I dont want to play Cell or Buu for one because I personally dont like them as much as Freiza gameplay wise/thematically and two because I am trying to get Frieza to level 100.

I can however tell you my strategy;

Level 1: Immediately make a B-Line towards civillian hubs depending on the map I am on.

Level 2: Since I am in the city either destroy vending machines or look for the closest target whether that be stray civillians in caves or survivors hiding.

Level 3: Fun time begins, Zarbon and Deidoria go scouting while I guard a zone that hasnt been completed yet.

Level 4: RP Frieza destroying Namek.

Very interesting, I have done all of that except the Zarbon and dodoria part because I play as Cell and it doesn't go that well, is that skill issue Cade? or perhaps is because of the limitations that Cell has or maybe the advantages that Frieza has overall?.

You'll find out, eventually you'll play as Cell or Buu, there's nothing beyond lvl 100.
After I reach lvl 100 with Cell, I'll stick with Frieza to see how it goes.

I can speak for the Cell's I have gone up against as survivor.

From my experience a good Cell is out of level 1 in about 30-40 seconds of the game starting. After that they cut off resource hub, after that they roam to an uncompleted key zone and Ki Sense for usually their first down of the game, once they do that they stay in the zone and near the body waiting on revivers after that it varies based on what my teammates decide to do.

[Quasariné]

Originally posted by C:

Originally posted by Sunshine:

Very interesting, I have done all of that except the Zarbon and dodoria part because I play as Cell and it doesn't go that well, is that skill issue Cade? or perhaps is because of the limitations that Cell has or maybe the advantages that Frieza has overall?.

You'll find out, eventually you'll play as Cell or Buu, there's nothing beyond lvl 100.
After I reach lvl 100 with Cell, I'll stick with Frieza to see how it goes.

I can speak for the Cell's I have gone up against as survivor.

From my experience a good Cell is out of level 1 in about 30-40 seconds of the game starting. After that they cut off resource hub, after that they roam to an uncompleted key zone and Ki Sense for usually their first down of the game, once they do that they stay in the zone and near the body waiting on revivers after that it varies based on what my teammates decide to do.

Oh, camping bodies, that’s something I haven’t done. I’ll try that. Because besides that, everything you mentioned, I have done it.

[C-Boy]

Originally posted by Sunshine:

Originally posted by C:

I can speak for the Cell's I have gone up against as survivor.

From my experience a good Cell is out of level 1 in about 30-40 seconds of the game starting. After that they cut off resource hub, after that they roam to an uncompleted key zone and Ki Sense for usually their first down of the game, once they do that they stay in the zone and near the body waiting on revivers after that it varies based on what my teammates decide to do.

Oh, camping bodies, that’s something I haven’t done. I’ll try that. Because besides that, everything you mentioned, I have done it.

No matter what genre, when you camp people are gonna think you are scummy BUT I will say...its effective.

You force the opponent to do all the work and you reap the rewards with minimal effort. They get salty, you get kills. From CoD to DBD to Breakers lmfao.

Heck if you need proof take a look at the comments on my Profile Page, all pretty much flaming me for camping/tunneling in DBD.

[Quasariné]

Originally posted by C:

Originally posted by Sunshine:

Oh, camping bodies, that’s something I haven’t done. I’ll try that. Because besides that, everything you mentioned, I have done it.

No matter what genre, when you camp people are gonna think you are scummy BUT I will say...its effective.

You force the opponent to do all the work and you reap the rewards with minimal effort. They get salty, you get kills. From CoD to DBD to Breakers lmfao.

Heck if you need proof take a look at the comments on my Profile Page, all pretty much flaming me for camping/tunneling in DBD.

Thanks for the information Cade, I’ll do that.

[Vile Teady]

Originally posted by C:

Some people need to learn not everything is underpowered, overpowered, busted or broken. Sometimes you just need to learn how to play the game, get better and learn how to respond to certain situations.

This is just good advice for all forms of gaming; MOBA's, Team Deathmatch's, 4v1's, 7v1's, 1v1's, stop looking for an "out" and maybe try to better yourself.

While this is true, it doesn't always apply to every argument/discussion. It doesn't take a skilled chef to know when food tastes like ass.

There are clear and irrefutable flaws in this game. The game is heavily survivor sided. It's also very clear that the devs want it this way. You can't just drop a "skill issue" when it's literally imbalanced by design.

Most posts are horrible takes and suggest bad "fixes". That includes this thread.

[C-Boy]

Originally posted by Vile Teady:

Originally posted by C:

Some people need to learn not everything is underpowered, overpowered, busted or broken. Sometimes you just need to learn how to play the game, get better and learn how to respond to certain situations.

This is just good advice for all forms of gaming; MOBA's, Team Deathmatch's, 4v1's, 7v1's, 1v1's, stop looking for an "out" and maybe try to better yourself.

While this is true, it doesn't always apply to every argument/discussion. It doesn't take a skilled chef to know when food tastes like ass.

There are clear and irrefutable flaws in this game. The game is heavily survivor sided. It's also very clear that the devs want it this way. You can't just drop a "skill issue" when it's literally imbalanced by design.

Most posts are horrible takes and suggest bad "fixes". That includes this thread.

"The game is heavily survivor sided."

Coulda swore you the same dude arguing that Freiza is overpowered on that other thread lmfao

[Vile Teady]

Originally posted by C:

Originally posted by Vile Teady:

While this is true, it doesn't always apply to every argument/discussion. It doesn't take a skilled chef to know when food tastes like ass.

There are clear and irrefutable flaws in this game. The game is heavily survivor sided. It's also very clear that the devs want it this way. You can't just drop a "skill issue" when it's literally imbalanced by design.

Most posts are horrible takes and suggest bad "fixes". That includes this thread.

"The game is heavily survivor sided."

Coulda swore you the same dude arguing that Freiza is overpowered on that other thread lmfao

He is compared to the other Raiders. He can and will still lose to survivors. With the recent changes and current balance of the game, survivors have a higher winrate.