Denuvo Anti-Tamper

[Storpappa]

Incorporates 3rd-party DRM: Denuvo Anti-Tamper
5 Activations per 24 hours machine activation limit

Is this another Easy Anti-Cheat, my customers are thieves, so I will load up every PC with a piece of bloatware? Or doers this serve some purpose to better game play?

[Caduryn]

Has nothing to do with cheating, more with piracy

[dunbal]

I won't be buying this title because of this rights limitation software. Call me in a few years if/when they decide to take it off. They have every right to "protect" their software how they see fit. And I have every right to refuse to buy it.

[Unleashed3k22]

Originally posted by dunbal:

I won't be buying this title because of this rights limitation software. Call me in a few years if/when they decide to take it off. They have every right to "protect" their software how they see fit. And I have every right to refuse to buy it.

[「Raigara」]

Originally posted by dunbal:

I won't be buying this title because of this rights limitation software. Call me in a few years if/when they decide to take it off. They have every right to "protect" their software how they see fit. And I have every right to refuse to buy it.

How are they limiting your rights? They are not forcing you to buy the game. If you don't like it, then don't buy it. It's actually quite simple.

[Chacal]

That's pretty much what he's saying.

[MainframeMouse]

Was just coming to ask whether there will be a GoG.com release

I think this answers that

[Knottypine]

Yikes, another one. After watching videos from Raptor and BradM73, I was satisfied with the gameplay and was going to purchase. But I prefer not to have Denuvo installed on my system. I should have known without even looking. :/

[Knottypine]

Originally posted by Elate:

You all are overreacting. So many games use this DRM it really isn't a big deal.

Not sure how one having an opinion is overreacting. Yes, many games have a form of DRM and it's typically not a big deal. However, Denuvo presents a greater chance of not having access to a purchased licence. That's the 5 activations per 24 hours, if you are unaware. Which means, in the rare occurrence that I reboot my PC 5 times within 24 hours, will cause me to lose access to the game for a period of time. While rebooting my PC that many times in 24 hours is extremely unlikely, it's the idea behind it that potential exists.

I will not comment on performance related reasons as I just do not have any Denuvo games installed.

[PsychoCow]

Just to clarify: The 5 activations per day limit has nothing to do with how often you start your PC. If you want to install it on more than 5 PCs a day...than you may have to wait before you can install it on the next one.

[MainframeMouse]

Originally posted by Elate:

You all are overreacting. So many games use this DRM it really isn't a big deal.

Online DRM like this is a blank Cheque, allowing dev, the platform or the DRM company to change the terms of your usage at a whim.

I first started using Steam year 1
It was a nice supplement to physical media, I got me free copy of HL2 and Valve's back catalogue. There were some Pop Cap games here that my wife wanted, so I bought them on my account for her to play.

Just to make clear, In terms of Copyright laws, the Steam Subscriber Agreement of the time and the EULA of the Pop Cap games I was perfectly allowed to buy the game and install on a machine that I jointly owned for her to Play.

And back then, Steam allowed it. My account was online and active on both computers I played 1 game and she played an entirely different game, and there were zero issues. It just worked.

Then in 2008, Valve changed the Subscriber Agreement, either agree to new terms or loose your games. The new terms expressly denied letting anyone but account owner use the games (it didn't before). Even if Valve had been sued earlier into stopping that type of extortion, it wouldn't have mattered because a forced update to Steam changed the DRM.

Steam would no longer allow different games from 1 account to be run on different computers. If my wife wanted to play the games I paid money for, I'd have to buy them again on a new account for her.

DRM will always hurt legitimate consumers more than pirate, just because you've not been effected doesn't mean everyone else is safe and it doesn't mean you won't in the future.

As for Denuvo, it is an effective tool against unwanted distribution, but it can not alter the socio-economic factors behind piracy. Denuvo doesn't send cash out to those on low income, they don't swoop in and fix broken economies or exchange rates, nor does Denuvo sit down with a habitual pirate and discus the reasons why they pirate. In Short it will not lead to any measurable increase in sales.

Because DRM isn't about stopping pirates, its about controlling legitimate consumers.

I'd love to have seen this on GoG
Compare
https://www.gog.com/u/mechmouse
1016 games in 9 years
vs
https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197967367030/
100 in 18

[Storpappa]

Seeing these things don't make me feel secure in buying the product. They do nothing for me as a consumer, and can hurt me down the line.

[Storpappa]

Oh ... so it's a pre-launch purchase option?

The devs get their well deserved purchases, and then after a time, we get the software.

[Storpappa]

And you missed the sarcasm in my response to your earlier post.

[MainframeMouse]

Originally posted by Elate:

Again someone posting nonsense, you haven't heard of family sharing? Im commenting on the first part of your comment, nobody has time to read your entire 15 paragraph monologue, kinda delusional to think people gonna read that much text. But there was already nonsense in the first few sentences so CBA to read the rest.

Yes I have heard of Family Sharing
I was in the closed Beta
I was one of the top 10 contributors to the forum
I have emails where I've talked directly to Valve employees regarding issues with SFS

SFS does not allow concurrent use of different games on different computers from 1 account. I and thousands of other Beta testers complained, daily to Valve that SFS was near useless for cohabiting families because only a single family member can use a library at a time. Play1 game, the entire library is locked. no other games can be played,

And to make it worse SFS is extremely good at getting free games from total strangers 1/2 way across the world, because time zones meant the Library Lock didn't effect them.

If you're going to make a PRO-DRM argument, at least know how the system works.

[MainframeMouse]

Originally posted by Elate:

Originally posted by MainframeMouse:

If you're going to make a PRO-DRM argument, at least know how the system works.

The part where i mentioned family sharing has nothing to do with my comments here explaining why the game uses DRM and why its needed for a smaller developer to have DRM. I was just replying to you talking offtopic.

You dismissed everything I said, because you don't know how Steam works or what DRM is.

Blocking concurrent use of different games is DRM.

And SFS cements that restriction is DRM.

Valve's DRM directly affects me as a consumer

Denuvo reinforces Valve's DRM and reduces the possibility of a release on a platform that doesn't unfairly restrict use.