Why do people dislike it being online only?

[Banana Duck ඞ]

It doesnt make any difference if you have to be connected to the internet to play a game because you're always connected to the internet when playing games anyway. Maybe you dont like it because you dont have an internet connection? Who the heck doesnt have internet in 2023 lol.
The game is also pretty much multiplayer only (well you can play it solo but its mainly supposed to be played with others) which means that there is even less reason to dislike it being online only because you pretty much have to be connected to the internet to be able to play it anyway because you have to be connected to the internet to play with others and its pretty much a multiplayer only game. Disliking it being online only would make more sense if it was a single player only game, but the game is very much a multiplayer game meaning that you have to be connected to the internet to play the game anyway. Regardless; even if it was a singleplayer only game; theres still no reason to dislike it being an online only game because you're always connected to the internet when playing games anyway.

Another question: Why do developers make their games online only? Ive never understood why developers make their games online only because i dont see how it would benefit them, like whats the point of making it online only? A game being online only doesnt affect the developers and it also doesnt affect the players

[Mr_Purple]

Because it's kewl to trash big-ish developer studios these days. Online-centered game requires online connection to play, huh? What a bunch of nonsense, amirite!

[LunaPwny]

Well here's an example.
I was booted from playing the MWII campaign numerous times because my internet often drops for the span of a few seconds, to a few minutes at a time.
I've played a lot of Payday 2 offline solo, and 3 being online only means I won't be able to reliably play it like I did with 2.
Not everyone has a reliable connection. And this isn't mentioning handheld systems like the Deck, where you're going to be mostly offline as well.

[Mr_Purple]

Originally posted by LunaPwny:

Well here's an example.
I was booted from playing the MWII campaign numerous times because my internet often drops for the span of a few seconds, to a few minutes at a time.
I've played a lot of Payday 2 offline solo, and 3 being online only means I won't be able to reliably play it like I did with 2.
Not everyone has a reliable connection. And this isn't mentioning handheld systems like the Deck, where you're going to be mostly offline as well.

To be fair, PAYDAY 3 is not being developed for Deck.

[Four Little Diamonds]

Originally posted by LunaPwny:

Well here's an example.
I was booted from playing the MWII campaign numerous times because my internet often drops for the span of a few seconds, to a few minutes at a time.
I've played a lot of Payday 2 offline solo, and 3 being online only means I won't be able to reliably play it like I did with 2.
Not everyone has a reliable connection. And this isn't mentioning handheld systems like the Deck, where you're going to be mostly offline as well.

Like I said in the other thread, "myriad of reasons" why some one might not be online 100% of the time.

[Maxine]

Imagine you lose all your progress in the middle of the heist, everything is laggy etc not because you have bad internet or it's p2p, it's because OVK servers sucks. Also modding and preservation of the game might not be possible at all.

[Banana Duck ඞ]

Originally posted by LunaPwny:

Well here's an example.
I was booted from playing the MWII campaign numerous times because my internet often drops for the span of a few seconds, to a few minutes at a time.
I've played a lot of Payday 2 offline solo, and 3 being online only means I won't be able to reliably play it like I did with 2.
Not everyone has a reliable connection. And this isn't mentioning handheld systems like the Deck, where you're going to be mostly offline as well.

i see, i never considered that some people might have bad internet, ive always had fast internet for many years and never had any problems with my internet. Even still though; cant you just simply get better internet? Even cheap internet is still very fast, or do you like live in the middle of nowhere or something? It seems strange to me that people still have problems with internet in 2023, i live in London

[LunaPwny]

Originally posted by Banana Duck ඞ:

i see, i never considered that some people might have bad internet, ive always had fast internet for many years and never had any problems with my internet. Even still though; cant you just simply get better internet? Even cheap internet is still very fast, or do you like live in the middle of nowhere or something? It seems strange to me that people still have problems with internet in 2023, i live in London

I'm in Australia. We have one of the higher tier plans, but it's just how it is here.

[Four Little Diamonds]

Originally posted by Banana Duck ඞ:

Even still though; cant you just simply get better internet?

Not everyone has options, not everyone has money and not everyone lives in london.

[Nvlddmkm.sys]

Always online games are a bad thing for multiple reasons.
You may be connected to the internet 24/7 but the game servers are not. If they go down for whatever reason, you can't do anything with the game. You're booted out. No navigating the menus to make loadouts or build, No offline play with bots, no nothing. Thank you and goodbye.

Even when the servers are online it's still a pain in the %@#. I've been playing the F1 World mode in F1 23 wich is an always online experience, in this mode, everytime you click on something, you have to wait 5 seconds for the game to connect to the server. Every. Single. Time. No wonder why no one likes that game mode lmao.

[Noah]

i dont get it.
payday 3 is online only = omg i hope all dev commit suis#de. moneygrabing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
other games like: warframe, dead by daylight, r6 = naah man its fine its fine dont worry about it its not a problem.

[Maxine]

Originally posted by Noah:

i dont get it.
payday 3 is online only = omg i hope all dev commit suis#de. moneygrabing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
other games like: warframe, dead by daylight, r6 = naah man its fine its fine dont worry about it its not a problem.

Because all of this game are actually multiplayer and you need other people to play with?
You could play PDTH and PD2 with bots and you don't need other people

[Mario]

Originally posted by Noah:

i dont get it.
payday 3 is online only = omg i hope all dev commit suis#de. moneygrabing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
other games like: warframe, dead by daylight, r6 = naah man its fine its fine dont worry about it its not a problem.

All of those are "competitive" multiplayer games, that's not what Payday is. Multiplayer is completely optional in Payday, INCLUDING IN PD3.

This decision only hurts the people paying for the game. It's DRM, that's the reason it exists. It offers NO POSITIVES to the players, literally none.

[crust]

There is no good reason for the game to be online and there's a lot of negative consequences of doing so. Yes most of us have internet but it's MUCH more than just the internet going down.

1. The game will turn off one day and you will never be able to play ever again. This is inevitable. It's not a what if, it will happen. Servers cost money to operate when Payday 3 ceases to be profitable, which is inevitable one day it will happen, it may be long from now, it may be soon we don't know but it will happen. They will stop paying for servers. This means the game you PAID for, will no longer be playable. I am NOT okay with buying a game, that the developer can, at any time, for any reason TURN OFF FOREVER. If it had an offline mode, it wouldn't matter. Like payday 2. which can literally be played forever because all you need is the game installed on your hard drive.

2. You playing is reliant upon the servers working properly. If starbreeze ever has an issue, such as everyone trying to play at the same time, such as when there's a big update or launch day. The servers get bogged down, and everyone gets an error when trying to log in. It's not just the user's internet that's the issue, but the server operating well. Even massive companies have server outages that can take weeks to fix. And it's a huge insult to be denied permission to play a game you PAID FOR because the devs can't get their servers to work.

3. You can't mod the game. The progression files, and in turn, the files which actually control game functions like weapons, enemies, the levels you can play, are not on your computer. They're on that server in Sweden that you can't access. So you're not allowed to modify your game anywhere close to the level we can in payday 2.

4. It heavily restricts how and when you can play the game. The vast majority of my time playing payday 2 when it was new was on a laptop on school trips. I wouldn't have internet for these trips but that was okay, I didn't need it. I just played with bots. Payday, as a series has a very significant solo community. People do enjoy playing solo, and they don't like it when they are denied permission again, to play a game they PAID FOR. Why should I not be allowed to play the SINGLE PLAYER portion of a game offline? There's no good reason.

There's more but those are some big reasons. I hope this helps you understand why this is such a bad decision from the devs. And people are very justified for being upset.

[Kate Hanami]

move on to a 3rd-world country where you need to pay 300 dollars monthly for unlimited bandwidth or play only after 11PM or weekends and you had to pay 40% of you monthly wage to buy the game
and then I want to see you defend it, if you can get stable enough connect to type the paragraph

[The man, the myth, the leg]

Originally posted by Mario:

Originally posted by Noah:

i dont get it.
payday 3 is online only = omg i hope all dev commit suis#de. moneygrabing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
other games like: warframe, dead by daylight, r6 = naah man its fine its fine dont worry about it its not a problem.

All of those are "competitive" multiplayer games, that's not what Payday is. Multiplayer is completely optional in Payday, INCLUDING IN PD3.

This decision only hurts the people paying for the game. It's DRM, that's the reason it exists. It offers NO POSITIVES to the players, literally none.

the man the myth the leg
some time ago-2023

died of laughter after reading complete nonsense online

if warframe is cometitve than i am an admiral of a ww2 battlecruiser

and dedicated servers do have their advantages-more constant connections and less random disconnects because the host as issues
and with the game seemingly taking a more hardcore approach to gameplay a smaller focus on singleplayer/bots would make sense