3 reasons to don't buy Payday 3

[Konjiki no Inazuma]

Denuvo Horrible optimization (60FPS on open environments using a RX 7900 XTX Vapor-X) the game looks exactly like payday 2 and runs even worse with a x64 engine.

Starbreeze account (you can't manage your own data) and it doesn't make sense if you only want to play on steam.

Permanent conection to their servers to play (if the servers are down, hacked or they decide to close the servers, you won't be able to play, this isn't a free to play game, it's a game with a price of 90$ if you want all the content of the first year). That was added to promote the micro-transactions and their telemetry.

3 DRM systems in one game. The 3rd is steam or epic launcher.

I love payday the heist, I love payday 2, but I won't buy payday 3, not even for 3€.

[Friendly Ghostface]

Cope

[Trevino]

I'm buying it

[CryonicSuspension]

I don't really care about any of those things.

This is outdated but:

1) Denuvo stops people breaking the copy protection on the game for about a week, which is when most new games being realeased, realize their most of their sales value.

2) Don't really care about that, I just wish it would link to Payday 2 properly, but it keeps failing for some reason.

3) Jesus Christ dude... this is 2023 not 1999 AOL ( America Online ) days. I always laugh in the "Breaking Feds" mission when you have to send an email and it sounds like a 2400 baud modem connecting to a late 1990's ISP ( internet service provider ).

[naii.neocities.org]

Originally posted by CryonicSuspension:

1) Denuvo stops people breaking the copy protection on the game for about a week, which is when most new games being realeased, realize their most of their sales value.

This isn't how Starbreeze runs payday. Not Pd1 or 2 got most of their players on release. Their business model is to keep people coming back. It's also not a justification for DRM. Since after that week pirates get to play a superior version of the game with less problems.

Originally posted by CryonicSuspension:

2) Don't really care about that, I just wish it would link to Payday 2 properly, but it keeps failing for some reason.

Gee, I wonder what would solve those problems... almost like it has no reason to be there at all

Originally posted by CryonicSuspension:

3) Jesus Christ dude... this is 2023 not 1999 AOL

Do you think Always online is a new concept? That it hasn't long been cemented as a terrible way to do business, for DECADES now?

[Konjiki no Inazuma]

Originally posted by CryonicSuspension:

I don't really care about any of those things.

This is outdated but:

1) Denuvo stops people breaking the copy protection on the game for about a week, which is when most new games being realeased, realize their most of their sales value.

2) Don't really care about that, I just wish it would link to Payday 2 properly, but it keeps failing for some reason.

3) Jesus Christ dude... this is 2023 not 1999 AOL ( America Online ) days. I always laugh in the "Breaking Feds" mission when you have to send an email and it sounds like a 2400 baud modem connecting to a late 1990's ISP ( internet service provider ).

It doesn't matter your internet conection, if their servers are hacked, or down, you can't play until the problem is solved, and you might lose your data forever, they can remove content forever too, just like bungie removed the whole story of destiny 2 and the DLC. So yes, you can have your 1Gb speed, that doesn't mean you can play always you want because you only have access to a server, not the game.

Also, denuvo is a problem for mods, payday 2 has a lot of very helpful mods to solve problems of the game, or just to have fun.

[Konjiki no Inazuma]

Originally posted by naii_:

Originally posted by CryonicSuspension:

1) Denuvo stops people breaking the copy protection on the game for about a week, which is when most new games being realeased, realize their most of their sales value.

This isn't how Starbreeze runs payday. Not Pd1 or 2 got most of their players on release. Their business model is to keep people coming back. It's also not a justification for DRM. Since after that week pirates get to play a superior version of the game with less problems.

Originally posted by CryonicSuspension:

2) Don't really care about that, I just wish it would link to Payday 2 properly, but it keeps failing for some reason.

Gee, I wonder what would solve those problems... almost like it has no reason to be there at all

Originally posted by CryonicSuspension:

3) Jesus Christ dude... this is 2023 not 1999 AOL

Do you think Always online is a new concept? That it hasn't long been cemented as a terrible way to do business, for DECADES now?

1) I would like to think so too, but it will be hard to play the game that way if you need to conect to a server to play, denuvo is useless for piracy in this case, but they want denuvo to stop people from adding the new premium coin, I just will say that other games like dragon ball xenoverse 2 have other anticheat, and are full of cheaters.

3) Exactly, just as I told to the other user, your internet speed isn't the only problem, if they want to end the service, they can do it at any moment and you will have nothing to play to. Like babylons fall. And they can play with their players as they want, like bungie did with destiny 2 removing the whole game and DLCs.

And the most common problems, the server being down or hacked.

[Raz'Hikel]

Just saying that from experience most people who complain about denuvo are pirates, food for thought

[CryonicSuspension]

Originally posted by naii_:

Originally posted by CryonicSuspension:

1) Denuvo stops people breaking the copy protection on the game for about a week, which is when most new games being realeased, realize their most of their sales value.

This isn't how Starbreeze runs payday. Not Pd1 or 2 got most of their players on release. Their business model is to keep people coming back. It's also not a justification for DRM. Since after that week pirates get to play a superior version of the game with less problems.

Originally posted by CryonicSuspension:

2) Don't really care about that, I just wish it would link to Payday 2 properly, but it keeps failing for some reason.

Gee, I wonder what would solve those problems... almost like it has no reason to be there at all

Originally posted by CryonicSuspension:

3) Jesus Christ dude... this is 2023 not 1999 AOL

Do you think Always online is a new concept? That it hasn't long been cemented as a terrible way to do business, for DECADES now?

What does this have to do with Denuvo? It's anti-piracy, plain and simple. Maybe read an article or something.

Starbreeze took out a 50 million loan, obviously developers are going to protect their investment. Dunno what's so hard to understand about this?

I wish more developers cared enough to have anti-tamper & anti-cheat but it costs too much money.

[CryonicSuspension]

The only people who complain about 1) and 3) are hackers, plain and simple, or they live where garbage ISPs exist.

[naii.neocities.org]

Originally posted by CryonicSuspension:

The only people who complain about 1) and 3) are hackers

You mean modders of any kind, AKA a good portion of anyone that plays these games.

Originally posted by CryonicSuspension:

or they live where garbage ISPs exist.

You mean most of the US and a lot of poor countries. So hundreds of millions of people.

[Mr_Purple]

- Don't care
- Don't care
- Don't care
:)

[Ampuj4]

Found out my money was better allocated on Baldur's gate 3 truly DRM free game (Even on Steam) that's breaking records on sales. Is not on epic store (or exclusive what so ever) And don't rely ♥♥♥♥ loads of weapon skins, DLC content to make it worth it.

[Realm]

The account is needed for cross-progression and only online is kind of a given for a co-op game, lol. Denuvo is the only fair point here, but that's only 1 strike against it in the end.

[naii.neocities.org]

Originally posted by Realm:

The account is needed for cross-progression

You can opt out of cross progression, I have zero will to play this game on any other platform.

Originally posted by Realm:

and only online is kind of a given for a co-op game, lol.

I wish people who had no idea what always online means would shut up about it. You're not just wrong, you're confidently wrong and doing nothing but stifling actual discussion.

The "always online" that most people refer to is the reliance on two things. One being a constant internet connection. And the other being a connection to a central server.

Payday: The Heist and Payday 2 require neither to function. Both games can be played online without needing to call home to Overkill. They DO have reliance on Steam. But seeing as Steam is a service that's likely to last forever, this is a concession most PC gamers are willing to make. Of course, Steam's matchmaking system itself can be emulated...

Payday 3 differs from these games because it requires BOTH an internet connection (due to denuvo) and relies on a central server.

This kills most mods. It means the game will be one day unplayable. It means it will be unplayable throughout days it should work. It reduces performance. There is no measurable gain for the consumer in having such a thing. It's by definition anti consumer.

[Engyee]

Just let everyone spend their money as they wish. I'm gonna have a hardest lmao moment once all those people defending these alterations for pd3 come crawling back to this community hub whining their game isn't working as it is suppose to.