Akimbo system for PAYDAY 3

[It's Adam Lazlow]

In PAYDAY 2 the Akimbo System got real messy by the end of the game's life.
Almost every secondary pistol and SMG has been made avaliable as akimbo in the primary weapon slot. Most of the weapons there were unbalanced and unused, the whole weapon purchasing menu was bloated and ugly.

I don't want the same thing repeated for PAYDAY 3, instead I have a simple idea.

Make your secondary weapon dual wielded, but reduce the max ammo capacity on your primary weapon in exchange.

And make it avaliable through the new Akimbo Skill Line. The starting skill should be this:

You now dual wield your secondary weapon.
Your secondary weapon gains +50% ammo and +25% ammo pickup rate

Your primary weapon loses -80% max ammo and -50% ammo pickup rate

Keep in mind, that the Fear and Greed update brought us changes, that BUFFED every single weapon's max ammo and ammo pickup rates, to an insanely high level.

If you had 20% max ammo for your primary weapons, you would still get 2 full magazines, this goes for ALL primary weapons.

Being limited to 2 magazines for your primary weapon, but your secondary weapon is now an akimbo with increased ammo for it, is a good exchange and it would allow for a new playstyle.

What do you think? Any better ideas? Any objections?

[BitsOfSkin]

It's funny; you're suggesting gimping the primary as a means to enable akimbo for secondaries... something for which they almost crucified David Goldfarb when he floated a very similar suggestion.
And his numbers weren't anywhere near as drastic (nor as unbalanced) as yours are...

[It's Adam Lazlow]

Originally posted by BitsOfSkin:

It's funny; you're suggesting gimping the primary as a means to enable akimbo for secondaries... something for which they almost crucified David Goldfarb when he floated a very similar suggestion.
And his numbers weren't anywhere near as drastic (nor as unbalanced) as yours are...

Never heard this idea before for PAYDAY, when did Goldfarb suggest that? Source me that please.
As for the numbers, obviously things are subject to change for balancing, the core idea is to switch up priorities on the two weapon slots, since secondary slot is reserved for handguns at the moment, and probalby not going to change, I think this could be a way to let us dual wield handguns or machine pistols.

[Captain Hydrodus]

Originally posted by BitsOfSkin:

It's funny; you're suggesting gimping the primary as a means to enable akimbo for secondaries... something for which they almost crucified David Goldfarb when he floated a very similar suggestion.
And his numbers weren't anywhere near as drastic (nor as unbalanced) as yours are...

well I mean I play the ruger 10/22 like a secondary over treating it like a primary, which leaves me to the big power house secondaries.

[Mr_Purple]

Originally posted by It's Adam Lazlow:

Originally posted by BitsOfSkin:

It's funny; you're suggesting gimping the primary as a means to enable akimbo for secondaries... something for which they almost crucified David Goldfarb when he floated a very similar suggestion.
And his numbers weren't anywhere near as drastic (nor as unbalanced) as yours are...

Never heard this idea before for PAYDAY, when did Goldfarb suggest that? Source me that please.
As for the numbers, obviously things are subject to change for balancing, the core idea is to switch up priorities on the two weapon slots, since secondary slot is reserved for handguns at the moment, and probalby not going to change, I think this could be a way to let us dual wield handguns or machine pistols.

That's the fun part - he never did. Goldfarb left Starbreeze as soon as PAYDAY 2 shipped (plus-minus a few months). Blud made it all up

[BitsOfSkin]

Originally posted by It's Adam Lazlow:

Originally posted by BitsOfSkin:

It's funny; you're suggesting gimping the primary as a means to enable akimbo for secondaries... something for which they almost crucified David Goldfarb when he floated a very similar suggestion.
And his numbers weren't anywhere near as drastic (nor as unbalanced) as yours are...

Never heard this idea before for PAYDAY, when did Goldfarb suggest that? Source me that please.
As for the numbers, obviously things are subject to change for balancing, the core idea is to switch up priorities on the two weapon slots, since secondary slot is reserved for handguns at the moment, and probalby not going to change, I think this could be a way to let us dual wield handguns or machine pistols.

David floated the idea on Twitter in months before the first Crimefest/Hoxton breakout event (remember, Akimbo was introduced with Wick on day 7 of the event); he initially wanted to make Akimbo secondary and primary (you would have to pick akimbo for one or the other) but he couldn't balance it to the fanboys' liking, so it became primary only, and pistols/smgs only.
I'm having a hard time finding his initial tweets, since his account has god knows how many tweets (and he may have since deleted them); as I remember it, it was around mid to late may/early june of 2014.

I remember that both on Twitter and on the forums, the dorks from T$E and a couple of other clans complained about it, and things got toned down or scrapped as a result.
Ultimately, Goldfarb left before Crimefest materialized.

Originally posted by Mr_Purple:

Originally posted by It's Adam Lazlow:

Never heard this idea before for PAYDAY, when did Goldfarb suggest that? Source me that please.
As for the numbers, obviously things are subject to change for balancing, the core idea is to switch up priorities on the two weapon slots, since secondary slot is reserved for handguns at the moment, and probalby not going to change, I think this could be a way to let us dual wield handguns or machine pistols.

That's the fun part - he never did. Goldfarb left Starbreeze as soon as PAYDAY 2 shipped (plus-minus a few months). Blud made it all up

Goldfarb left late June/early July 2014.
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/payday-2-director-quits-says-im-abandoning-aaa/1100-6421102/

[Mr_Purple]

Originally posted by BitsOfSkin:

Originally posted by It's Adam Lazlow:

Never heard this idea before for PAYDAY, when did Goldfarb suggest that? Source me that please.
As for the numbers, obviously things are subject to change for balancing, the core idea is to switch up priorities on the two weapon slots, since secondary slot is reserved for handguns at the moment, and probalby not going to change, I think this could be a way to let us dual wield handguns or machine pistols.

David floated the idea on Twitter in months before the first Crimefest/Hoxton breakout event (remember, Akimbo was introduced with Wick on day 7 of the event); he initially wanted to make Akimbo secondary and primary (you would have to pick akimbo for one or the other) but he couldn't balance it to the fanboys' liking, so it became primary only, and pistols/smgs only.
I'm having a hard time finding his initial tweets, since his account has god knows how many tweets (and he may have since deleted them); as I remember it, it was around mid to late may/early june of 2014.

I remember that both on Twitter and on the forums, the dorks from T$E and a couple of other clans complained about it, and things got toned down or scrapped as a result.
Ultimately, Goldfarb left before Crimefest materialized.

Originally posted by Mr_Purple:

That's the fun part - he never did. Goldfarb left Starbreeze as soon as PAYDAY 2 shipped (plus-minus a few months). Blud made it all up

Goldfarb left late June/early July 2014.

Oh yeah, I take it back. I mixed dates with his time at EA.

[BitsOfSkin]

Originally posted by Mr_Purple:

Originally posted by BitsOfSkin:

David floated the idea on Twitter in months before the first Crimefest/Hoxton breakout event (remember, Akimbo was introduced with Wick on day 7 of the event); he initially wanted to make Akimbo secondary and primary (you would have to pick akimbo for one or the other) but he couldn't balance it to the fanboys' liking, so it became primary only, and pistols/smgs only.
I'm having a hard time finding his initial tweets, since his account has god knows how many tweets (and he may have since deleted them); as I remember it, it was around mid to late may/early june of 2014.

I remember that both on Twitter and on the forums, the dorks from T$E and a couple of other clans complained about it, and things got toned down or scrapped as a result.
Ultimately, Goldfarb left before Crimefest materialized.



Goldfarb left late June/early July 2014.

Oh yeah, I take it back. I mixed dates with his time at EA.

It pays to remember that I might be a smart-mouthed ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ most of the time, but when it comes to dates/timeframes, it usually turns out I'm technically correct (the best kind of correct!).

[Mr_Purple]

Originally posted by BitsOfSkin:

Originally posted by Mr_Purple:

Oh yeah, I take it back. I mixed dates with his time at EA.

It pays to remember that I might be a smart-mouthed ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ most of the time, but when it comes to dates/timeframes, it usually turns out I'm technically correct (the best kind of correct!).

Eh, fair enough. I'm on the other hand got forgetful with age.

[BitsOfSkin]

Originally posted by Mr_Purple:

Originally posted by BitsOfSkin:

It pays to remember that I might be a smart-mouthed ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ most of the time, but when it comes to dates/timeframes, it usually turns out I'm technically correct (the best kind of correct!).

Eh, fair enough. I'm on the other hand got forgetful with age.

I hope you're older than 40 then, otherwise you might wanna get checked for early onset Alzheimer's disease (and remember, I am not your Doctor, and this is not medical advice)...

Originally posted by It's Adam Lazlow:

As for the numbers, obviously things are subject to change for balancing, the core idea is to switch up priorities on the two weapon slots, since secondary slot is reserved for handguns at the moment, and probalby not going to change, I think this could be a way to let us dual wield handguns or machine pistols.

I'd sooner return to Payday 2's implementation of Akimbo, but with an overall lower ammo pool depending on the power of the weapon(s).
And it would require some re-balance of the handguns.
The way you're suggesting would seriously hamper players dealing with Specials.

[Mr_Purple]

Originally posted by BitsOfSkin:

Originally posted by Mr_Purple:

Eh, fair enough. I'm on the other hand got forgetful with age.

I hope you're older than 40 then, otherwise you might wanna get checked for early onset Alzheimer's disease (and remember, I am not your Doctor, and this is not medical advice)...

You sure live up to the smart-mouth ... title alright.