Legend Simon Viklund Did It Again

[Riot]

Den of Wolves dropped it's first heist song.
Can't wait for this game to come out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oli2M8Z1EU

[Kasiornis]

Just check how they are making these. I'm honestly and genuinely impressed by Simon's creativity, each time the man just goes extra mile to make something different and unique to their project.
With all due respect, Gustavo's tracks are more or less ordinary tracks, nothing insane.
While Simon's tracks are all about insane stuff.

https://youtu.be/bpcCbA7jrE0?si=86eajGeuJFoABUN5

[5.0 V8 S650 | 0-60 in 3.9 sec]

If Den of Wolves is good and successful, how screwed is Payday 3 and Starbreeze?

[Moray Eel]

Originally posted by Based Nationalist:

If Den of Wolves is good and successful, how screwed is Payday 3 and Starbreeze?

I don't think Den of Wolves being successful or a failure is going to impact Starbreeze or Payday 3 financially. If anything, it was already impacted by Helldivers 2 coming out and merely not sucking as hard as Payday 3 (with or without the sony account thing that got backtracked).

Also there still isn't any actual gameplay footage for Den of Wolves...

[Kasiornis]

Originally posted by Based Nationalist:

If Den of Wolves is good and successful, how screwed is Payday 3 and Starbreeze?

Well, Ulf pretty much solidified the fact that he knows what he's doing. GTFO isn't a game for everyone for sure, but it's a good game nonetheless, unique on its own. From DoV I expect similar experience, even if it's a bit too early for even the earliest of assumptions.

But PD3 is already on rock bottom, and it will remain unaffected by DoV in any way. If anything - some random gamebreaking bug in Payday 2 will affect Starbreeze much harder than anything in Payday 3.

These videos above are just a sad reminder what Payday 3 could've been if Bo weren't such a... Bo.

[BitsOfSkin]

Originally posted by Kasiornis:

These videos above are just a sad reminder what Payday 3 could've been if Bo weren't such a... Bo.

As much as I recognize Bo as the source of a LOT of Starbreeze's issues...
You cannot really blame Payday 3 on him, as he gone by the time development for the game began to solidify.
This one rests squarely on the shoulders of his Successor as CEO (Sjögren), the Brand Director (Listo) the and the Lead designer (you know who).

[Kasiornis]

Nah, I mean - things could be very different if Ulf was still part of the crew, together with the old crew pretty much. Even just Simon alone and his music - would make quite a difference for PD3 as it is now.

But yes, you are right, PD3 fail is current SBZ's crew fail on all levels, from bosses who made all these wonderful "lets go silent for 6 months" decisions to devs, who made this buggy mess in the first place.

If you watch these and previous 10 Chambers videos, you will easily notice how they approach to development process. They want their game, its visuals and sounds - to achieve certain reaction from players, so the players would think "yeah, it's a cool thing" when watching their videos. And they base their game of this vision.

SBZ work differently, they do what they think is cool, which as we know, is completely detatched from reality of what is fun for players. The results are obviously bad as well.

[ColinDJPat]

Had no idea Viklund was at 10 Chambers, or involved with their games at all.
I assumed he was just doing freelance stuff at this point. Good to see him doing big, (and maybe) longer term stuff.

[Kasiornis]

Viklund was in 10 Chambers from the beginning, even did some Community Manager work answering people's questions about GTFO. And his creativity, oh boi...I'll just do a quote:

Practically all monster sounds are actually made from sounds we recorded ourselves, contorting our throats and vocal cords to alter our voices in the weirdest possible ways. Then we’ve pitched and morphed those recordings to create new, terrifying sounds that are unmistakenly human – but hideously distorted.

GTFO wikia, "Enemies" page, Simon's quote at the end of it.

[drewbstar]

Originally posted by Based Nationalist:

If Den of Wolves is good and successful, how screwed is Payday 3 and Starbreeze?

DoW isn't even close to releasing. Viklund says in the Making Of video that they haven't even decided on a release window yet, let alone a release date. By the time they get close to release, Payday 3's fate will already have been sealed. Either Starbreeze manages to pull a rabbit out of their hat and revive the abysmal playercount, or they leave it to its fate after finishing their obligations.

[ﾏｿｿｿ ₒ❤]

Originally posted by Based Nationalist:

If Den of Wolves is good and successful, how screwed is Payday 3 and Starbreeze?

SBZ and pd3 already did a stellar job of screwing themselves over and sideway without anyone's help

by simply focusing on their next DnD baby instead of trying to do something meaningful in a timely fashion for PD3

till they have trouble with funding, push their DnD title out early after marketing it as a next best thing in gaming, after pouring hundreds of thousand dollars into absurb marketing events and sponsored stream of Vtubers playing their buggy a#s demos. Proceed to abandon that DnD baby and work on PD4 next.

[Zappron]

Originally posted by Based Nationalist:

If Den of Wolves is good and successful, how screwed is Payday 3 and Starbreeze?

doubt pd3 will live to see dow's release

[Heru Ra Ha]

Originally posted by Zappron:

Originally posted by Based Nationalist:

If Den of Wolves is good and successful, how screwed is Payday 3 and Starbreeze?

doubt pd3 will live to see dow's release

No worries they about to release the next definitive edition 2 of payday 2

[Riot]

+1 Music turns me into the Joker.......the Dark Joker.

[Cryptic]

if that game is anything like GTFO, it'll be the most bland, boring, and repetitive thing on the planet. been playing shooters, horror games, etc for 30 years and GTFO was unbelievably boring. i have never in my life felt like i was going to fall asleep from playing a shooter game but that game made me feel that way

[EARTHY SPEEDWAYS]

Originally posted by Cryptic:

if that game is anything like GTFO, it'll be the most bland, boring, and repetitive thing on the planet. been playing shooters, horror games, etc for 30 years and GTFO was unbelievably boring. i have never in my life felt like i was going to fall asleep from playing a shooter game but that game made me feel that way

Bro ran out of ways to lick PAYDAY 3's boots so he's dunking on a game that did not even come out yet. Yikes, man.