I actually enjoy pd3

[B〄F Altonator]

First things first...
No i don't agree with this "online only live service" shtick. Yes i do agree that the matchmaking leaves a lot to be desired. Yes i do think the armour system can benefit from being changed (looking forward to the new armour tbh)

With that out of the way...
I don't understand how the game feels "bland"? As a lot of people have quoted it to be.
It plays a lot like a mix of pd2 and pd:th with actual difficulty and not just "spam cops everywhere eks dee"
The highest difficulty is MILES and i mean MILES better than pd2 max difficulty, with actual balance taken into consideration. The difficulty progression itself is very decent, though i think there could be an "easy" difficulty because normal was a bit overwhelming at first when completely new to the game.
The new stealth mechanics are great and add some interesting new depth.
The gun play actually feels good. The longer you shoot your gun the harder it is to control and i love the realistic reloads also.
Most maps are decent to play, though i would like a better escape for gold & shark, maybe add preplanning? One of my favourites is under the surphaze for the sheer amount of entrances / exists and puzzle solving in stealth as well as having to use your brain in loud.

I get it though, pd3 feels vastly different from pd2's "god mode heisters with superpowers" but it's a nice change of pace.
imho payday3 should not be called payday3. Why? It feels like a sequel to pd:th and a prequel to pd2. It should have been called "payday the pre-sequel"
The storyline should be changed to reflect this also.

Yes i'm sad that for the first couple days the servers didn't work, that was a massive setback for pd3 that put many people off.
Here's my first impressions video from when the game had first come out. I actually enjoyed my time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBoUiKwMH1M

[B〄F Altonator]

Thoughts? Why do you consider it to be "bland"?
Do you actually like the game? What would you say can make it better?

[JJ, Professional Fool]

Taste is subjective.

[B〄F Altonator]

Originally posted by JJ, Professional Fool:

Taste is subjective.

Yes i know that's why i want to know why some consider it bland.

[Undefined]

Originally posted by B〄F Altonator:

Thoughts? Why do you consider it to be "bland"?
Do you actually like the game? What would you say can make it better?

I didn't buy the game (I haven't even tried it out) in large part because it looks boring AF from all the videos I watched of people playing it.

And I'm not talking about the arcade god mode shooter some people like about PD2 (which I still think is possible in PD3, not sure), but the lack of playstyles, removal of breaching (let alone new methods of breaching), preplanning, boring skills, and complete lack of innovation is what drew me off. I could sense from a mile away that this game had no replay value like PD2 did.

This is aside from the game's atmosphere; the music, the VAs, the voice lines, and the new characters are just bad.

As far as innovation goes, I think vehicle escapes where one person drives and the others tries to hold off the cops should've been part of every mission. If you failed this part of the mission, you would have to wait for the expert driver like in PD2's Escape side-missions at the end of certain heists. I also think the levels should've been procedurally generated in order to increase the replay value and ensure that no heist is ever the same, and there should've been time-of-day and weather effects. The last thing I would've liked to see is a "Director" that adjusts the difficulty depending on how well the team is performing.

Anyway, this is just the tip of the iceberg of things I disliked about PD3. I could go on all day and I've forgotten more about what I don't like about PD3 than I can recall.

[JJ, Professional Fool]

Originally posted by B〄F Altonator:

Originally posted by JJ, Professional Fool:

Taste is subjective.

Yes i know that's why i want to know why some consider it bland.

For me, It is an uninspired update using key words and modern terms to modernize it more-so than the previous title. It's the Rush Hour 3 of Rush Hours. Phone all of it in and give just bare minimal. Being pretty and having new stealth mechanics with a failing armor system isn't enough for the unreal red carpet.

[B〄F Altonator]

Originally posted by Undefined:

Originally posted by B〄F Altonator:

Thoughts? Why do you consider it to be "bland"?
Do you actually like the game? What would you say can make it better?

I didn't buy the game (I haven't even tried it out) in large part because it looks boring AF from all the videos I watched of people playing it.

Before you say anything else, buy it, try it (even if you refund)
The servers are working so playing the game won't be a problem.
I'd like to hear your first hand feedback.

[Bill Smith]

I enjoy playing solo stealth. I love not having to mask up and being able to complete a map. I wish it had more randomness to it.. felt like in PD2 there were more spawn locations for keys and other map items / vaults. Lack of pre-planing and no offline mode killed it for me, I probably wont re-install it unless Shadowraid gets remade or they do some stealth overhaul to the maps to add more randomness to the locations of key spawns etc. I don't play loud so I don't know much about the armor or medkit complaints. PD2 is one of my all time fav games, I'm not gonna hold my breath for this one to get fixed.. but it would be nice.

[Nighthawk]

Its just my two cents but, to sum it up shortly, the lack of content that is not aided by slow progression and lack of variety of execution within the missions on top of the absolute slog of the menus and matchmaking makes any shot of people wanting to continue slim and by extention the game bland.

[ﾏｿｿｿ ₒ❤]

simply put, while gun play get an improvement

- Qol like server browser, chat, voice chat, etc... things been improved and widely avail in multiplayer games for decade now is not in this newest title.
- server quality is just... choke when it reach 4 digits of player count.
- progress method is *ss, i think people already talked about this long enough
- grindy and forced to play the way they want you to way or you will suffer
- buggy af, even in multiple of their paid promotion streams streamers was just laughing about all of them stuck in zipline motion sliding around the map
- skill tree is worse than previous title.
- they said you can upgrade to silver/gold edition b4 launch date, then remove that line from their website once it launched, bait and switch. (proven by multiple CC using waybackmachine website)
- pathetic post-launch support for a live service title even EA did it better (slightly)



the TL;DR is
if the previous 2 PD titles didn't exist, sure, this game wouldn't be this bad of a dumpster fire, imo.

however server quality and other multiplayer game Qol not existing is just inexcusable => feel rushed and unfinished

combine with the absurd PR they did with like royalty class event for content creators and promotion streams, this all feel like a scam to many people to sell as many copy as possible of a poorly done and mismanaged title.

[Here Comes the Pain]

Congratulations, you have no taste. You will have an easier life at least, spend less and be able to squeeze enjoyment out of a literal rock. The rest of us won’t have it as easy as you or someone who had a lobotomy or is in a coma, but that’s life.

[Tuna Sandwich]

if you actually talk to people Irl (not on stinky internet forums) who play this game, they will all tell you the same thing:
"Yeah, it's a fun game! But I do not want to lobby hop for 2+ hours just to get 1 full lobby where players don't leave"

They need to add a lobby browser, filters, polish up a bunch of things - also add more content. Then, once all of that is done, they need to make a huge marketing campaign to remind people that this game exists.

[Here Comes the Pain]

Originally posted by SNOT_EATER:

if you actually talk to people Irl (not on stinky internet forums) who play this game, they will all tell you the same thing:
"Yeah, it's a fun game! But I do not want to lobby hop for 2+ hours just to get 1 full lobby where players don't leave"

They need to add a lobby browser, filters, polish up a bunch of things - also add more content. Then, once all of that is done, they need to make a huge marketing campaign to remind people that this game exists.

Huge marketing campaign lol dude game is ded and you wanna promote a corpse, soon they can’t even afford to keep the lights on at their offices…

[Tuna Sandwich]

Originally posted by Here Comes the Pain:

Originally posted by SNOT_EATER:

if you actually talk to people Irl (not on stinky internet forums) who play this game, they will all tell you the same thing:
"Yeah, it's a fun game! But I do not want to lobby hop for 2+ hours just to get 1 full lobby where players don't leave"

They need to add a lobby browser, filters, polish up a bunch of things - also add more content. Then, once all of that is done, they need to make a huge marketing campaign to remind people that this game exists.

Huge marketing campaign lol dude game is ded and you wanna promote a corpse, soon they can’t even afford to keep the lights on at their offices…

bait someone else, i've been in the baiting business when you were still wearing diapers!

[=TBM= [PHE$] cooper]

Originally posted by B〄F Altonator:

...
I don't understand how the game feels "bland"? As a lot of people have quoted it to be.
...

If that were the only problem with the game, then it could be discussed.
And in the end it comes down to subjective taste.
But since there are several problems, it adds up to a game that is not enjoyable.


I'll just quote myself from another thread.
You will find more answers to your question in the quoted thread.

Originally posted by =TBM= PHE$ cooper:

- trash UI
- trash menu
- boring music
- no server lobby
- no server browser
- no 'stay as team' option
- no hosting
- no kick options
- no steath / loud filter
- NO REPLAYABILITY
- no preplanning
- no RNG
- no rewarding feeling after finishing a heist
- no EXP progressing
- no card drop
- boring skills
- no perk decks (or something similar)
- no funny trashtalk / communication possible
- no memeing
- unimaginative objectives
- playing the game feels like 'work'

- it is ONLY playable when you bring a friend; it is useless to play solo, because you will not find other players to have fun with.


It is just not fun to play, it is boring af.

And I have around 5.5k hours on pd2 on all accounts. It is just sad...

Thread: https://steamcommunity.com/app/1272080/discussions/0/4211497849296492253/

[Here Comes the Pain]

Originally posted by SNOT_EATER:

Originally posted by Here Comes the Pain:

Huge marketing campaign lol dude game is ded and you wanna promote a corpse, soon they can’t even afford to keep the lights on at their offices…

bait someone else, i've been in the baiting business when you were still wearing diapers!

You sound like you still wear them, what’s your cost basis for the stock? Just so we can all point and laugh :)