SMG any good?

[橘光]

low damage and ammo and tons of armor in this game, is it even usable?

[HOLY ♥♥♥♥ ITS MOTHMAN]

Other than the Ziv the SMGs are ... fine. I had fun unlocking the challenges for them (other than the Ziv). They are very stable, and easy to handle so you basically laser into helmets for free making them not too bad, or ammo inefficient with some tap bursting while maintaining decent TTK (other than the Ziv).

The SG Compact-7 is also the best one as far as I know despite it having the lowest base damage because its armor pen stat is so much higher - as in it actually exists on it (unlike the Ziv).

If you're enjoying the SMGs then that's the one I'd back if you really wanna go all in on leveling one.

[Jet]

Originally posted by Yuu9:

The clear advantages of SMGs are "ammo pickup" and "quick reloads".
It is hard to get a kill unless you shoot burst to head accurately at close-range, but I like it because unlike AR, it has a short reload time and is agile.
Also, although the maximum number of rounds is less than that of the AR, the recovery rate from ammo box is nearly twice that of AR.
Even if you run outta ammo, you can recover large quantities from ammo box.

The ammo pickup value for SMGs doesn't really matter though. If you have to spend more ammo to kill an enemy than you would if you used an AK or the CAR for example, then it basically negates the pickup value. The pickup value is just strictly fixed to account for the additional ammo used.

Obviously if you've got great aim, SMGs might perform better if you can get quick hipfire headshots with burst fire, but then you could still get reliable headshots other guns as well. The SA A144 is basically a headshot machine, where it will one-shot most enemies reliably.
Basically this is a situation where yeah SMGs can perform well if you have great aim, but Rifles pretty much do everything an SMG does but better. If I have an SMG and need to kill enemies down the street, I have to run up to them versus just popping them where I am at a distance with a rifle, and at a safer location most likely.

[Cryptic]

Fik9 is arguably one of the best guns in the game if you have it modded imo. High rate of fire, low recoil, decent damage and accuracy, lots of ammo from pickups. Idk what it is about that weapon but I kill crazy quick with it whenever I use it. I have brought that one on almost all the higher difficulties whenever I play them

[Mr_Purple]

MP7 and MPX are solid. That UZI looking thing on the other hand is ass

[Akutare]

The Commando is horrendous, but the MPX and MP7 are pretty nice

[Cryptic]

Originally posted by Mr_Purple:

MP7 and MPX are solid. That UZI looking thing on the other hand is ass

Agreed. I hate the ziv commando. I was so excited to get it because I thought it was a secondary weapon and then... it wasnt

[Akutare]

Originally posted by Cryptic:

Agreed. I hate the ziv commando. I was so excited to get it because I thought it was a secondary weapon and then... it wasnt

The Commando being a secondary would actually bring it up to being very usable even if they changed nothing else about it, but as a primary it falls so incredibly short

[SushiJaguar]

The SMGs mandate you have the hipfire or aiming builds with that perk that grants +1 armour pen while you have Edge. Without it, they're completely useless.

[Mordtziel]

Originally posted by SushiJaguar:

The SMGs mandate you have the hipfire or aiming builds with that perk that grants +1 armour pen while you have Edge. Without it, they're completely useless.

That perk is only 10%. I think you underestimate how viable SMGs other than the commando are.

[Cryptic]

Originally posted by Akutare:

Originally posted by Cryptic:

Agreed. I hate the ziv commando. I was so excited to get it because I thought it was a secondary weapon and then... it wasnt

The Commando being a secondary would actually bring it up to being very usable even if they changed nothing else about it, but as a primary it falls so incredibly short

I dream of that day

[Yuu9]

Originally posted by Vox:

The ammo pickup value for SMGs doesn't really matter though. If you have to spend more ammo to kill an enemy than you would if you used an AK or the CAR for example, then it basically negates the pickup value. The pickup value is just strictly fixed to account for the additional ammo used.

Obviously if you've got great aim, SMGs might perform better if you can get quick hipfire headshots with burst fire, but then you could still get reliable headshots other guns as well. The SA A144 is basically a headshot machine, where it will one-shot most enemies reliably.
Basically this is a situation where yeah SMGs can perform well if you have great aim, but Rifles pretty much do everything an SMG does but better. If I have an SMG and need to kill enemies down the street, I have to run up to them versus just popping them where I am at a distance with a rifle, and at a safer location most likely.

Instead of thinking of the number of rounds as a "percentage", look at it in terms of the actual number of rounds.

An AR can be taken down with approximately 2-3 HS, while an SMG can be taken down with 3-4 HS if you hit it correctly.
and, replenished 4-6 rounds per Ammo Box for AR, but around 10 rounds per Ammo Box for SMG.

Of course, as you point out, there is the issue of effective range.
However, I like the fact that it reloads quickly and is "nice to use".

Well, sure, sometimes I get in a good mood and can't take my finger off the trigger even though I didn't hit the head, so it's just a theoretical figure. xD

[Rаndo]

Ziv is complete ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, used it for one heist and vowed to never use it again.

Other's are alright and kinda fun.

[Cryptic]

With the extra armor penetration with edge skill, the fik 9 rips enemies to shreds very quickly. Combine that with some other loud oriented skills and you become a terminator