infamy gets worse...

[Padds]

so now it seems people wont help on objectives, too busy farming kills for infamy i assume?

[The Norwegian Elevator Bomber]

Will be either people doing stealth/speedrunning heists for the completion challenges or those who go loud everytime and don't escape to farm kills.

[88 keys]

Originally posted by Bigger The Milky Trigger:

Will be either people doing stealth/speedrunning heists for the completion challenges or those who go loud everytime and don't escape to farm kills.

No but challenges are there for variety yo keep you from xp farming the same map/weapons

[Skull]

Let's be honest, a vast majority of them are either new so they don't know what to do anyway, or weren't going to help with the objective. This happens in every online game, the challenge system might have increased that a small amount. Any time you think a vast majority of the player base is going to help you play the way you want to, you're going to be disappointed.

[[SCZ]Celestrian]

Originally posted by Padds:

so now it seems people wont help on objectives, too busy farming kills for infamy i assume?

yes, noticeable.
question is how obvious you want to do that.
that´s how it works when the xp incentive is to ignore the objectives.

[Padds]

Originally posted by Skull:

Let's be honest, a vast majority of them are either new so they don't know what to do anyway, or weren't going to help with the objective. This happens in every online game, the challenge system might have increased that a small amount. Any time you think a vast majority of the player base is going to help you play the way you want to, you're going to be disappointed.

well if 40-80 is new ... its got nothing to do with how i want them to play, its how the game tells them to play. i can put up with the small minority of ass hats you always meet, its the whole extra portion that are just doing the normal flow down the path of least resistance thing only doing it because of a poorly implemented reward scheme.

[Glimmer]

Originally posted by Ponderin My Morb:

No but challenges are there for variety yo keep you from xp farming the same map/weapons

And yet, the best xp/hour is to sit in the corner of the bathroom of a certain map and farm kills. (I wont' say the method here, but I'm pretty sure most people know of it already)

[Rando the Crit Clown]

They're just trolls trying to hold games hostage. If they really wanted to progress quickly they'd be doing the objective.

Originally posted by Padds:

Originally posted by Skull:

Let's be honest, a vast majority of them are either new so they don't know what to do anyway, or weren't going to help with the objective. This happens in every online game, the challenge system might have increased that a small amount. Any time you think a vast majority of the player base is going to help you play the way you want to, you're going to be disappointed.

well if 40-80 is new ... its got nothing to do with how i want them to play, its how the game tells them to play. i can put up with the small minority of ass hats you always meet, its the whole extra portion that are just doing the normal flow down the path of least resistance thing only doing it because of a poorly implemented reward scheme.

The game tells them to win, you get challenges for winning. They're going out of their way to go against what the game tells them to and just slowly kill enemies instead of kill enemies quicker (they have better spawn rates at other times) while also progressing other challenges. They are literally choosing to go through the path of most resistance by exclusively focusing on one challenge at a time instead of doing a bunch simultaneously.

I've only seen people holding up a game once, because the game doesn't encourage you to. It encourages you to win. Those people aren't grinding challenges, they're griefing.

[Virauge]

Yeah, it's what the devs want. Switch up your playstyle of being useful and go try new weapons by farming kills.

[JeanneOskoure]

New to playing with pubs? I had that issue for 9 years in PD2.

[Kashra Fall]

Originally posted by Padds:

so now it seems people wont help on objectives, too busy farming kills for infamy i assume?

Didn't have or don't have this issue really. The "Human shield." infamy task is silly easy and practical to do on the road rage mission more than any other. Why? Because I did it yesterday on very hard and if my teammates stayed near to the truck, the cops wouldn't fire at the truck if I walked in the back. Adversely. Blocking the entryway to the vault of the truck is also really handy with a human shield haha. Doing it anywhere else though is almost a mistake.

[KaleidoScopes]

Originally posted by Ponderin My Morb:

Originally posted by Bigger The Milky Trigger:

Will be either people doing stealth/speedrunning heists for the completion challenges or those who go loud everytime and don't escape to farm kills.

No but challenges are there for variety yo keep you from xp farming the same map/weapons

Thats a bad excuse, you can easily just add a diminishing returns system to the game

[Butthead]

Originally posted by Skull:

Let's be honest, a vast majority of them are either new so they don't know what to do anyway, or weren't going to help with the objective. This happens in every online game, the challenge system might have increased that a small amount. Any time you think a vast majority of the player base is going to help you play the way you want to, you're going to be disappointed.

it has nothing to do with new players, new players are less likely to be farming 500 kills for a gun than someone whos level 100 and trying really hard to get the high leveled ♥♥♥♥. infact you're describing overkill right now, they said in the dev stream 2 that THEY were expecting players to play a specific way to level up, and apologized for the leveling system not being like they anticipated.

[CaptainMeow™]

i try to balance between kills and objectives. but i do often ignore the objective just running around farming kills for challanges :|

[KaleidoScopes]

Originally posted by Skull:

Let's be honest, a vast majority of them are either new so they don't know what to do anyway, or weren't going to help with the objective. This happens in every online game, the challenge system might have increased that a small amount. Any time you think a vast majority of the player base is going to help you play the way you want to, you're going to be disappointed.

^this is absolutely true. Playing online games made me lose faith in humanity. I've had situations where I sat their and begged a person to PRESS A BUTTON and they were too mentally handicapped to accomplish such an effortless task. NEVER rely on pubs for tasks that require an IQ over 90, you're better off jumping on forums or discords to get an arranged group AND EVEN THEN its not guaranteed you find the right party but atleast its far better than pubbing.

[Butthead]

Originally posted by Rando the <CYOA> Clown:

They're just trolls trying to hold games hostage. If they really wanted to progress quickly they'd be doing the objective.

Originally posted by Padds:

well if 40-80 is new ... its got nothing to do with how i want them to play, its how the game tells them to play. i can put up with the small minority of ass hats you always meet, its the whole extra portion that are just doing the normal flow down the path of least resistance thing only doing it because of a poorly implemented reward scheme.

The game tells them to win, you get challenges for winning. They're going out of their way to go against what the game tells them to and just slowly kill enemies instead of kill enemies quicker (they have better spawn rates at other times) while also progressing other challenges. They are literally choosing to go through the path of most resistance by exclusively focusing on one challenge at a time instead of doing a bunch simultaneously.

I've only seen people holding up a game once, because the game doesn't encourage you to. It encourages you to win. Those people aren't grinding challenges, they're griefing.

doing the objective doesnt give xp? finshing the heist X number of times does, but so does killing X number of enemies/holding hostages/killing enemies while aiming down sights/placing (medicbag/armorbag/sentrygun/ammobag)/throwing throwables/getting kills with overkill weapons/sliding/killing dozers/shooting zappers batteries/shooting naders grenade pouch/killing special units/ ETC. the only challenges that require you to beat the level are finishing heist X number of times/ finish heist on loud/stealth X number of times/ beat heist with all mods equipped on gun. so no, they're not trolling they're literally doing the million other challenges on the long laundry list of ♥♥♥♥ to do.