NRFTW is hands down the dumbest heist, here's why:

[Tox]

It's the only heist that is literally impossible to get max loot value on when playing solo.
The fact that I can theoretically empty out G&S solo on overkill for max value, but not NRFTW on normal, is a sick ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ joke.

Like... not that i want this to happen by any stretch, but why in the ♥♥♥♥ has a "small branch" got the sense to dye pack their cash but G&S doesn't? WTAF?

It actually defies all ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ logic from both a balance and lore pov.

EDIT:
I stand thoroughly corrected, however, this raises further questions about why in the ever living ♥♥♥♥ ping should affect the speed at which an action bar fills (which should be handled clientside until such time that the final "disarmed" event is sent to the server, so that your action is not delayed every frame; if it only takes 1.5 seconds to fill the action bar, that 1.5 seconds should be clientside not delayed by the connection to the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ server...).

https://www.reddit.com/r/paydaytheheist/comments/16qhiqw/how_to_get_all_dyepacks_solo_in_nrftw/

https://www.reddit.com/r/paydaytheheist/comments/16rozgg/found_out_its_actually_possible_to_disable_all/

I swear these guys are filling their disarm action bars a good 0.5s faster than what I encounter... investigation/testing needed on my part.

[Hezz]

It's also impossible to get max loot on Under the Surphaze with less than 3 people, unless there's some trick to the special painting I don't know about. But yeah. Dye packs are annoying solo. I can get 6 bags at most.

Besides that, its a good heist.

[ZimZam]

These devs obviously aren't the sharpest knives in the drawer.

[Noop]

Yea the dye is another thing in the long line of stupid decisions. You can clearly tell somebody wanted a "new mechanic" over usability for solo players.

I would probably cry about it if the rest of the game wasnt complete trash allready and the dye isnt going to change anything about it. It's like the least of the issues the game has.

On a side note cloakers go in the same direction. Devs pushing players to play in a group instead of solo for no apparent reason. It's poor design but with games that arent AAA you get to learn to deal with some amount of BS as long as it's not extremly bad design.
But yea challenges and stuff literally ruined the game befor it even came out.

[Tox]

Originally posted by Hezz:

It's also impossible to get max loot on Under the Surphaze with less than 3 people, unless there's some trick to the special painting I don't know about. But yeah. Dye packs are annoying solo. I can get 6 bags at most.

Besides that, its a good heist.

Yeah absolute best possible is 6, there's simply not enough time to get the last 2.
Which would otherwise be fine if it were at least consistent with G&S.

[Tox]

Originally posted by Noop:

Yea the dye is another thing in the long line of stupid decisions. You can clearly tell somebody wanted a "new mechanic" over usability for solo players.

I would probably cry about it if the rest of the game wasnt complete trash allready and the dye isnt going to change anything about it. It's like the least of the issues the game has.

On a side note cloakers go in the same direction. Devs pushing players to play in a group instead of solo for no apparent reason. It's poor design but with games that arent AAA you get to learn to deal with some amount of BS as long as it's not extremly bad design.
But yea challenges and stuff literally ruined the game befor it even came out.

I don't necessarily mind dye packs being in it, iirc they were a thing in pd2 but you could ecm jammer them to get the time needed? Might not have been dye packs but i'm positive there was something similar which the ecm jammer delayed.

[All_Mighty]

Originally posted by Tox:

Originally posted by Noop:

Yea the dye is another thing in the long line of stupid decisions. You can clearly tell somebody wanted a "new mechanic" over usability for solo players.

I would probably cry about it if the rest of the game wasnt complete trash allready and the dye isnt going to change anything about it. It's like the least of the issues the game has.

On a side note cloakers go in the same direction. Devs pushing players to play in a group instead of solo for no apparent reason. It's poor design but with games that arent AAA you get to learn to deal with some amount of BS as long as it's not extremly bad design.
But yea challenges and stuff literally ruined the game befor it even came out.

I don't necessarily mind dye packs being in it, iirc they were a thing in pd2 but you could ecm jammer them to get the time needed? Might not have been dye packs but i'm positive there was something similar which the ecm jammer delayed.

Has anyone tested to see if that works here too?

[garry]

counterpoint: music good

[Tox]

Originally posted by All_Mighty:

Originally posted by Tox:

I don't necessarily mind dye packs being in it, iirc they were a thing in pd2 but you could ecm jammer them to get the time needed? Might not have been dye packs but i'm positive there was something similar which the ecm jammer delayed.

Has anyone tested to see if that works here too?

Not yet, but I presume it's a no from the description of ecm jammers. Frankly they seem utterly unneeded at this point; I get far more use from the starter gadget; the mini cameras.

[Oni-Lyrics]

Bait. You can get everything solo.

[SleeprunnerInc]

Originally posted by Tox:

Originally posted by All_Mighty:

Has anyone tested to see if that works here too?

Not yet, but I presume it's a no from the description of ecm jammers. Frankly they seem utterly unneeded at this point; I get far more use from the starter gadget; the mini cameras.

Pssst motion sensors can be stuck to people so just shove that up a guards arse and yer golden.

[Greb]

"We've listened, and we've heard you. Going forward, solo players will only find 5 money pallets in the vault instead of 7."

[LegacyXI]

Originally posted by Oni-Lyrics:

Bait. You can get everything solo.

Not when you get servers with 200+ ping

[Tox]

Originally posted by Oni-Lyrics:

Bait. You can get everything solo.

Bait.
I didn't say you can't get everything, I said you can't get max loot value; this is because it's impossible to deactivate all dye packs in time as a solo player. Nice strawman attempt though.

[Tox]

Originally posted by SleeprunnerInc:

Originally posted by Tox:

Not yet, but I presume it's a no from the description of ecm jammers. Frankly they seem utterly unneeded at this point; I get far more use from the starter gadget; the mini cameras.

Pssst motion sensors can be stuck to people so just shove that up a guards arse and yer golden.

I mean, you can stick cameras to their arse too, but this is about dyepacks and as an aside whether or not ecm jammers delay them :P

[LegacyXI]

Originally posted by Tox:

Originally posted by Oni-Lyrics:

Bait. You can get everything solo.

Bait.
I didn't say you can't get everything, I said you can't get max loot value; this is because it's impossible to deactivate all dye packs in time as a solo player. Nice strawman attempt though.

You can deactivate them all solo though. There are videos. It's just really hard with high ping.